Current Events > let's discuss why the last jedi is the best star wars movie to date

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i cant wait for rian johnson's trilogy.

anyone else hyped?

Sigless user logic
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wtf TLJ always bails and leaves you with the bill

definitely not the best movie to date
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Because it shows us that spaceships are hyperspace missiles and teaches us that we shouldn't believe in the integrity of a fictional work's characters.
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No Jar Jar.
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most of the qualms with it are just laughable, and it was actually my 3rd favourite (it has since been bumped down to 4th)

I still wouldn't call it the best, but it was way better than TFA. I love that it followed the same basic plot as Empire Strikes Back but also subverted it in many ways

Luke dying after using a force ability of unprecedented power to save everyone was an excellent conclusion to his character arc

the hyperspace kamikaze is also not universe breaking, and it's not the first time that one starship rammed into another on a suicide mission
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It subverted all my expectations
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averagejoel posted...

the hyperspace kamikaze is also not universe breaking, and it's not the first time that one starship rammed into another on a suicide mission

the only problem with the hyperspace kamikaze is it didnt happen immediately after launching the shuttles.

the main problem with the film is the hour dedicated to rose and finn's quest to nowhere. that portion is up there with the brienne chapters of a feast for crows for worst writing ever.
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Not only is it the worst Star Wars film, it's one of the worst science fiction movies I've ever seen.
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PhazonReborn posted...

science fiction

Star Wars isn't science fiction, it's a fantasy set IN SPACE with wizards and laser swords.
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HylianFox posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

science fiction

Star Wars isn't science fiction, it's a fantasy set IN SPACE with wizards and laser swords.

Whatever
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Darkman124 posted...

the only problem with the hyperspace kamikaze is it didnt happen immediately after launching the shuttles.

fair. she knew she was going to die anyway, so taking out the ship beforehand would also have been the best move strategically.

the main problem with the film is the hour dedicated to rose and finn's quest to nowhere. that portion is up there with the brienne chapters of a feast for crows for worst writing ever.

that's also a fair criticism, and honestly I haven't really seen it addressed by anyone in writing.

I will say, though, that I read the film as a whole as being, at its core, about change: the Rey/Kylo subplot is examining millennial communication they talk to each other using force powers that were, as far as I know, previously unavailable. if you accept that, then you might also accept that the Finn/Rose subplot is examining nihilism, which is a pretty common attitude among young people.
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Oh boy, looks like it's time for today's TLJ topic
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averagejoel posted...

I will say, though, that I read the film as a whole as being, at its core, about change: the Rey/Kylo subplot is examining millennial communication they talk to each other using force powers that were, as far as I know, previously unavailable

ofc, much like the finn/rose plot: everything that he leads her to believe is a total lie, she continues to believe it even when snoke reveals it, right up to the point where he announces that yeah, snoke was right, it was a lie, surprise!

the movie is an exercise in poorly-written nihilism masked as a popcorn action film--it's going to disappoint. it does not present a deep exploration of the concept, and easily could lead the viewer to conclude that the old fuddy-duddies were right and everything the heroes of the film tried to do the entire time was completely stupid and a waste of effort.
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I was legitimately shocked at the fan backlash to it. Certain parts are stupid, like Admiral Holdo not even attempting to explain herself to Poe or the casino subplot with Rose and Finn, but fuck, many of the complaints are pretty dumb.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Certain parts are stupid, like Admiral Holdo not even attempting to explain herself to Poe or the casino subplot with Rose and Finn, but f***, many of the complaints are pretty dumb.

from a fan perspective, the quest to nowhere was supposed to be a bonding experience for poe and finn, not the new character whose realizations happen at the exact same time as finn's, making her entirely unnecessary for the plot and feeling like she was added so the black guy could have a romantic interest who was also a minority, and disconnect him from rey

i didnt really give a shit about that because i realized in the last movie that they were not actually showing multiple people becoming force sensitive at once, but rather that rey was going to be the focus and everyone else is a supporting cast member who you needn't actually care about.

this was actually very consistent with the 'acceptable flaws' of the last movie, and one of the biggest problems was those flaws were dangling threads that this movie was supposed to address (mainly relating to rey's history, and the many things she could do with zero explanation; or snoke existing at all)

it did not address them and just continued forward with them, while also driving home extra hard that the supporting characters were supporting. han solo moments had a lot to do with why the original trilogy felt like an ensemble story and not "the story of luke, the great hero, and some bumbling idiots who were along for the ride"
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It's the most visually exciting and beautiful Star Wars film. I think even people who moan about it have got to give it that.
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It's mostly the best Star Wars movie only because the others are mostly overrated outside of ESB

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

like Admiral Holdo not even attempting to explain herself to Poe

I could understand if she only kept it from Poe, given that their first interaction is her deriding him for being an idiot who gets people needlessly killed (which is the entire point of his development through the film, culminating in him not running out guns blazing against Kylo). But she didn't seem to tell anybody what was going on and that is fucking stupid.
I assume Leia only knew because of force shenanigans.
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DeadSite posted...

It's mostly the best Star Wars movie only because the others are mostly overrated outside of ESB

Yep