Current Events > When TLJ came out, all the critics were saying it was the best Star Wars movie

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they were correct
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Nah it's just all part of the agenda. You know, the agenda.
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boxington posted...

they were correct

No, it's up there. I don't think it's the best.

Either way, you really need to get over your obsession with TLJ. It's either a sad obsession or a forgettable troll gimmick.

Dash_Harber posted...

Either way, you really need to get over your obsession with TLJ. It's either a sad obsession or a forgettable troll gimmick.

I actually liked (ironically) the first 30 minutes of the film

I saw it for the first time this week. Before I was just capitalizing on it's hatred among the general public because I thought the force awakens was one of the worst films I have ever seen.

Oi.

*shakes bottle*

Your meds.
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Milkman5 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Either way, you really need to get over your obsession with TLJ. It's either a sad obsession or a forgettable troll gimmick.

I actually liked (ironically) the first 30 minutes of the film

I saw it for the first time this week. Before I was just capitalizing on it's hatred among the general public because I thought the force awakens was one of the worst films I have ever seen.

Well, I guess whatever fluffs your Garfield. For me, I have nothing else to add to your obsession.

I actually liked Rose Tico. She was so horrible that every line she said made me laugh. I loved watching the whole series burn before my eyes knowing that those guys who go to the conventions every year got their favorite hobby completely ruined

I'm half kidding, but enjoy troll characters like Rose Tico and Jar Jar Binks

I like how upset people get at horrible characters

i mean it's arguably the 3rd best star wars movie

that says more about how bad the star wars movies are as a whole but yeah
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You need professional help. Please take your meds.
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Please stop talking about that abomination of a film.
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Guy_Fieri posted...

Please stop talking about that abomination of a film.

This is the last topic I'm making on it this month

Delirious_Beard posted...

i mean it's arguably the 3rd best star wars movie

that says more about how bad the star wars movies are as a whole but yeah

It really isn't. The OT, RO, and III were better. TFA too depending who you ask. VIII had the best scene, but VII was more consistent.
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empire and a new hope are the only good star wars movies dude
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Delirious_Beard posted...

empire and a new hope are the only good star wars movies dude

Nah, RO was pretty good. Bar for a few bad execution of dialogue, III was decent as well.
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Imagine spending this much time on a movie you don't like
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CM_Ponch posted...

Imagine spending this much time on a movie you don't like

I actually like it in a way.

It's a movie that was so bad that it was really bad

Don't know, don't care, never plan on seeing the new films anyway.
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TLJ was really good. Maybe not the best Star Wars movie, but its at least in the better half IMO.

Delirious_Beard posted...

i mean it's arguably the 3rd best star wars movie

that says more about how bad the star wars movies are as a whole but yeah

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The Phantom Menace was a better movie.
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iron jojo posted...

Delirious_Beard posted...

i mean it's arguably the 3rd best star wars movie

that says more about how bad the star wars movies are as a whole but yeah

y u laffin

im rite
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It's a movie that I hav legitimately no idea where the love comes from.

The movie starts with "lol yo momma" and ends with a random kid being able to use the force for no reason.
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DoGCyN posted...

The Phantom Menace was a better movie.

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Why do people keep saying it's one of the best and that Star Wars is overrated? The OT might not be the most original films ever, but they're still really good in basically every category. RotS is pretty good too.

ProbablyaCat posted...

Why do people keep saying it's one of the best and that Star Wars is overrated? The OT might not be the most original films ever, but they're still really good in basically every category. RotS is pretty good too.

People do have opinions...

..bad as they may be sometimes
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boxington posted...

they were correct

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bulletproofvita posted...

DoGCyN posted...

The Phantom Menace was a better movie.

tbh, we remember TPM as worse than it was.

pod racing? stupid, but 5% of the movie.

gungans? racist and stupid, but 5% of the movie.

trade policy? boring, but 2% of the movie.

TPM featured the best acting of any star wars film (Liam Neeson's Qui-Gon was arguably the best portrayed jedi of any SW film), the best villain, the best lightsaber duel, the best music, a remarkably interesting origin story/ plot for Palpatine for those who pay attention to names, and an excellent war main plot.

it was a deeply flawed movie and we always remember bad things before good things.

What broke TLJ for me was what TFA hung on it. TFA featured two characters who required explanations--Snoke and Rey. We were told to be patient and expect to see them in the next film. What we got was "there is no explanation and there will be no explanation."
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boxington posted...

they were correct

it was the worst movie is a bad series

Critics don't want to be wrong. Sometimes when something is hyped, they misjudge how it will be perceived by the audience. Video game critics are worse with this than movie critics.
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i want to comment on one of the major tropes used in TLJ- the 'all for nothing' trope.

It comes up several times:

1) Rey's quest to visit Luke accomplished nothing. She learned nothing, he decided more or less on his own to force-project himself, and he still died on his island.

2) Poe/Finn/Rose's quest to screw with the tracker. Literally accomplished nothing despite occupying an hour of the film. They were saved by Holdo's suicide attack, the only meaningful action in the entire film.

3) The attack on the siege cannon. Again, accomplished nothing, served mainly to highlight the fact that the showrunners are pushing Rose and Finn together.

This use of it differs markedly from historical uses of it, which typically involve the hero(es) discovering an element of their plan is actually awful and in support of the villain, or some other change of heart, and not following through themselves; or alternatively it serves to set up a sequel. It's also often a villain trope.

It's almost never a hero trope of "the hero tried to complete their quest, but they failed and everything went to shit." Because honestly? That doesn't make for a good or interesting story.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

Critics don't want to be wrong.

Nobody wants to be wrong.

I'd posit that it's not the critics who are worried they're wrong in their opinion.
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boxington posted...

they were correct

Good troll Bro! Gottem!

Anyways I can't believe that. I've literally never met someone irl who enjoyed it and have never seen such a hyped movie shat on so much. It seems just to be a tiny minority online that like it.
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Darkman124 posted...

It's almost never a hero trope of "the hero tried to complete their quest, but they failed and everything went to shit." Because honestly? That doesn't make for a good or interesting story.

This opinion doesn't make sense to me.

I think the biggest issue with most fiction is the sort of Jungian mechanics of it all. Meaning connects. But in reality, life is just fucking random.
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COVxy posted...

This opinion doesn't make sense to me.

Stories are not supposed to mirror real life. They are distractions, escapes, entertainment. They present an experience the way we think it should go: background leads to conflict leads to resolution.

In a sense, TLJ was more realistic because its events string together so poorly; the only thing more realistic would be Rey getting shot down on the far side of the planet and everyone in the resistance except her and Chewbacca dying.

The one classic story element that persists in the new series is the main hero is infallible and a piece too small to fully resolve the failures of the disposable redshirts around her, but just big enough to save them all from total destruction. It's easy to point to male insecurity as the reason people dislike it, but it's really just a very cliche story element.

We don't like to admit that star wars is pretty fucking cliche in general.
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Darkman124 posted...

Stories are not supposed to mirror real life.

Quite frankly, I love when lofty stories suddenly come crashing back to real life.

Must be why TLJ resonated well with me.
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Could be. It was certainly a more realistic tale, albeit with a ton of unrealistic character personality changes, sudden reveals, and denial of the reveals teased (and made somewhat necessary) by the previous film.
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COVxy posted...

I think the biggest issue with most fiction is the sort of Jungian mechanics of it all.

Lol I didn't realize this was a gimmick. Nice.
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A good climax can go a long way toward making a film seem better when you're walking out of the theater or racing to a PC to write a review. And if there was one good thing about TLJ, it was that hype as hell climax.

I still maintain this is the main reason people remember TDK as a better film than Batman Begins. Both were good, of course, but BB was better overall while TDK mostly just had a great ending.
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I liked it, faults and all
star wars as a whole is more than the sum of its parts and the individual films have all sorts of problems. i'm able to look past TLJ's issues and enjoy it for the same reason i've enjoyed everything after Empire
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DevsBro posted...

I still maintain this is the main reason people remember TDK as a better film than Batman Begins. Both were good, of course, but BB was better overall while TDK mostly just had a great ending.

man, i thought begins had a great ending!
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Darkman124 posted...

DevsBro posted...

I still maintain this is the main reason people remember TDK as a better film than Batman Begins. Both were good, of course, but BB was better overall while TDK mostly just had a great ending.

man, i thought begins had a great ending!

I agree. Both films were good from start to finish. I just felt like TDK's ending was was where it was strongest while BB was pretty evenly great throughout.
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DevsBro posted...

I still maintain this is the main reason people remember TDK as a better film than Batman Begins. Both were good, of course, but BB was better overall while TDK mostly just had a great ending.

It's almost the opposite IMO
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I still havent seen it.
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DevsBro posted...

I agree. Both films were good from start to finish. I just felt like TDK's ending was was where it was strongest while BB was pretty evenly great throughout.

idk man. i actually felt that the strongest points of TDK were around the middle, when the joker's big plans were climaxing. everything after his capture was weak in my view.

whereas everything in begins from the moment the train started moving was non-stop thrills, and the closing moment was probably the best end to a superhero movie i've ever seen
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Deadpool_18 posted...

I still havent seen it.

You'll find more enjoyment satisfying your GF.
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They watched it without bias. Movie was good. "Fans" over reacted to how the story didn't go the way they wished.
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