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Russman
07/01/18 2:27:59 PM
#51:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Russman posted...
take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

I'm not taking their property though. Merely making a copy of it.

You are taking it. They didnt give you permission to copy it. Which is a crime.
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VandorLee
07/01/18 2:28:24 PM
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Ok. Can you stop people from doing it? Do they care about your opinion on the matter?
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Russman
07/01/18 2:28:53 PM
#53:


VandorLee posted...
Ok. Can you stop people from doing it? Do they care about your opinion on the matter?

I can only hope.
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Darklit_Minuet
07/01/18 2:29:12 PM
#54:


Russman posted...
No surprise you cheat too. I guess bad morals come all across the board.

Way to completely ignore the point. Cheating is not stealing. Piracy is not stealing. You can't just claim something is what it isn't to make what I did sound worse

Russman posted...
You are taking it. They didnt give you permission to copy it. Which is a crime.

The crime is piracy. Not theft. A completely different crime, with completely different punishments.
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PoopPotato
07/01/18 2:29:30 PM
#55:


What happens if I let my friend borrow Zelda?
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VandorLee
07/01/18 2:29:34 PM
#56:


Russman posted...
VandorLee posted...
Ok. Can you stop people from doing it? Do they care about your opinion on the matter?

I can only hope.


No. You cant and nobody cares.
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Darklit_Minuet
07/01/18 2:31:20 PM
#57:


PoopPotato posted...
What happens if I let my friend borrow Zelda?

You've deprived the publishers of a sale and thus are a thief, apparently. Doesn't matter if you weren't originally going to buy it, because YOU'RE A THIEF
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Russman
07/01/18 2:31:21 PM
#58:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
Russman posted...
No surprise you cheat too. I guess bad morals come all across the board.

Way to completely ignore the point. Cheating is not stealing. Piracy is not stealing. You can't just claim something is what it isn't to make what I did sound worse

Russman posted...
You are taking it. They didnt give you permission to copy it. Which is a crime.

The crime is piracy. Not theft. A completely different crime, with completely different punishments.

Cheating isnt stealing. Its shitty behavior. One I expect from someone who also steals. Piracy is theft. I literally gave you the definition of stealing and piracy was described.
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SageHarpuia
07/01/18 2:34:59 PM
#59:


Russman posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Russman posted...
take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.

I'm not taking their property though. Merely making a copy of it.

You are taking it. They didnt give you permission to copy it. Which is a crime.

So is gambling in many states
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Rikiaz
07/01/18 2:35:53 PM
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Only time it acceptable is if the game I old enough that it is not available from retailers and is an unreasonable price or unavailable from the secondhand market. For example, no way in hell Im paying $400-$500 to get a secondhand copy of Fire Emblem Radient Dawn.
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Darklit_Minuet
07/01/18 2:37:03 PM
#61:


Russman posted...
Cheating isnt stealing. Its shitty behavior. One I expect from someone who also steals. Piracy is theft. I literally gave you the definition of stealing and piracy was described.

Piracy wasn't described because it said taking something. I'm taking nothing, just making a copy.
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Raikuro
07/01/18 2:38:51 PM
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Rikiaz posted...
Only time it acceptable is if the game I old enough that it is not available from retailers and is an unreasonable price or unavailable from the secondhand market. For example, no way in hell Im paying $400-$500 to get a secondhand copy of Fire Emblem Radient Dawn.

Nobody really has a problem with that, but it does run into a dilemma when Nintendo sees the demand for the game and re-releases it. The people that pirated it often don't bother with the re-release since they're already done with the game.
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Darklit_Minuet
07/01/18 2:41:23 PM
#63:


Raikuro posted...
Nobody really has a problem with that, but it does run into a dilemma when Nintendo sees the demand for the game and re-releases it. The people that pirated it often don't bother with the re-release since they're already done with the game.

To be fair, it's their own fault for being idiotic regarding virtual console.

I can currently play any NES, SNES, N64, PS1, PSP, GBC, GBA, and DS game on my Switch.

What's stopping Nintendo from making those available on an eshop system? (Besides the PS1/PSP ones obviously)

They could just put first party games up and not have to deal with rights and shit, because they own those. But nope, they apparently don't want our money.
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MaverickXeo
07/01/18 2:42:30 PM
#64:


Foppe posted...
A pirated copy of Tony Hawk 2 introduced me to the series, and I bought over 8 Tony Hawk games.


The same here, with several games. One example is morrowind. I was not sure I could run it, so I didn't want to pay for it. I was barely able to run it, but when I was able to, I bought it and it got me into the franchise.
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GiftedACIII
07/01/18 2:46:25 PM
#65:


Raikuro posted...
Rikiaz posted...
Only time it acceptable is if the game I old enough that it is not available from retailers and is an unreasonable price or unavailable from the secondhand market. For example, no way in hell Im paying $400-$500 to get a secondhand copy of Fire Emblem Radient Dawn.

Nobody really has a problem with that, but it does run into a dilemma when Nintendo sees the demand for the game and re-releases it. . The people that pirated it often don't bother with the re-release since they're already done with the game.


lol that's pretty wishful thinking. Mother 3 and Ace Attorney Investigations 2 would have something to say about that.
Especially in the case of the tellius series since IS does games based on Japanese input and Japan didn't care for and still doesn't care for Ike's games.

On topic, yeah piracy is wrong unless it's a case where the developers aren't getting the funds anyway.
However, I stop giving a shit if they're AAA games and have sold at least 3 million.
Everything else needs the support for potential sequels.
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Lordgold666
07/01/18 2:49:12 PM
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1. Just bc a lot of ppl pirate with no intention of purchasing it, doesnt mean everyone does. Cry about it all you want, its just not true.

2. Considering all the consumer has to go on is what the packaging and marketing the ppl selling the product put out, id say yes they do. Surely, profit-driven propaganda would NEVER try to distort the facts about the product! Ppl have been fucked time and time again, not suprising some feel full price for todays atari et games are not worth it, so how would a consumer tell what the game consists of if they cant test it beforehand? Stores dont have full games to test instore like they used to. The buy first, ask questions later mentality you and a few others share is contributing to the declining quality of games.

3. Youre right! Why would anyone think that? Things like getting fitted for an expensive ring? Or trying on clothing or a pair of shoes? Maybe checking produce for freshness? Not on planet russman! You really do gotta buy if first. Oh before i forget, no refunds! :p
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Genocet_10-325
07/01/18 2:52:44 PM
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Well, I guess since TC says it's wrong, everybody is gonna stop doing it!

Oh wait, no they're not, and there's nothing you can do to stop it
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CapnMuffin
07/01/18 2:54:09 PM
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When developers and publishers refuse to provide a reasonable way of obtaining their product, and the only alternative is getting railed by a third party reseller, is it then okay to pirate? What about media that is absolutely out of print and the only way to obtain it would be to pirate?

Its not your property. The people that own it control the distribution. When you purchase a game you are actually purchasing a software license. By buying a game you dont own the contents of that software.
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loafy013
07/01/18 2:54:10 PM
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Lordgold666 posted...
You cant refund opened shit games,

You know who you can't thank for that? Fucking pirates, thats who. They guys who bought the game, went home and made copies, then went back to the store for a refund. Abusing the policy resulted in screwing over people who had legitimate issues when it came to purchasing a broken game.
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Raikuro
07/01/18 2:56:06 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
lol that's pretty wishful thinking.

I was just using his example of a broader trend of games being rereleased. Fans can't blame pirating something like RE4 on lack of availability since they rerelease it so freaking much. I don't really expect Nintendo to be competent in that regard too often, considering how long it took them to get an Earthbound rerelease out.
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Lordgold666
07/01/18 3:03:21 PM
#72:


PoopPotato posted...
Is renting piracy?

lol @ not responding to this
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GiftedACIII
07/01/18 3:04:16 PM
#73:


Raikuro posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
lol that's pretty wishful thinking.

I was just using his example of a broader trend of games being rereleased. Fans can't blame pirating something like RE4 on lack of availability since they rerelease it so freaking much. I don't really expect Nintendo to be competent in that regard too often, considering how long it took them to get an Earthbound rerelease out.

RE4 is a case for "already has enough support", too much support even. It might be healthier if any new players just pirated RE4 so Capcom could stop rereleasing it a million times and put more focus on their new games or rerelease others.
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smoke_break
07/01/18 3:06:34 PM
#74:


Yeah, it's stealing tbh. The real money these days is in online multiplayer games because you can't really steal those.
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Yomi
07/01/18 3:10:08 PM
#75:


Lordgold666 posted...
PoopPotato posted...
Is renting piracy?

lol @ not responding to this
TC didn't respond to that, nor this:

PoopPotato posted...
What happens if I let my friend borrow Zelda?


In both situations someone is getting the game without paying the publishers/developers. So, uh, TC what say you?
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babyeatermax
07/01/18 3:11:59 PM
#76:


The only things I pirate are hentai and manga
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Lordgold666
07/01/18 3:15:30 PM
#77:


loafy013 posted...
Lordgold666 posted...
You cant refund opened shit games,

You know who you can't thank for that? Fucking pirates, thats who. They guys who bought the game, went home and made copies, then went back to the store for a refund. Abusing the policy resulted in screwing over people who had legitimate issues when it came to purchasing a broken game.

Just bc some bad eggs did pirate and do that, doesnt mean we should all be treated like we all did the same. Its just a convenient excuse to keep your money after a regretful purchase.

They could easily implement preemptive measures against that scenario w a line of code or some other method of connecting a game you physically buy to an account. That would prove the purchase, make games only able to connect to one account, and have it so accounts can only be active on a single console/system at a time(which would still allow you to use your account on another system if something happens to your current one)....but they wont. Bc its again, a convenient excuse to get their hands on our $
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Lordgold666
07/01/18 3:17:21 PM
#78:


babyeatermax posted...
The only things I pirate are hentai and manga

lol
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babyeatermax
07/01/18 3:31:08 PM
#79:


Lordgold666 posted...
babyeatermax posted...
The only things I pirate are hentai and manga

lol

I'm too ashamed to buy hentai, but I've been considering buying manga through legitimate channels. Most fan translations are terrible anyways
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ImTheMacheteGuy
07/01/18 3:46:27 PM
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This hoth alt has a really shitty gimmick.
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CM_Ponch
07/01/18 3:48:13 PM
#81:


Gonna pirate twice as hard because of the fit TC is having
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Lordgold666
07/01/18 7:15:23 PM
#82:


Bump
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darkjedilink
07/01/18 7:32:34 PM
#83:


mistalightbulb posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Piracy is stealing, flat-out. Support creators

what if you do both

How do you support creators by taking their product for free, against their wishes?
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darkjedilink
07/01/18 7:36:04 PM
#84:


Darklit_Minuet posted...
PoopPotato posted...
What happens if I let my friend borrow Zelda?

You've deprived the publishers of a sale and thus are a thief, apparently. Doesn't matter if you weren't originally going to buy it, because YOU'RE A THIEF

If you weren't going to buy it, you have no right to play it. Therefore, you're a thief.
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DavidWong
07/01/18 7:43:47 PM
#85:


Pirate it

If you love it, buy the real thing

If you don't then you haven't supported something that's garbage
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LightningAce11
07/01/18 7:45:06 PM
#86:


If it's worth the money, then pay for it.

If it's trash, don't.
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catboy0_0
07/01/18 7:47:25 PM
#87:


many games I played in my piracy days, which I've decided to end, are games I've gone back to purchase legitimately
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Darmik
07/01/18 8:00:15 PM
#88:


Games are so cheap and widely available these days I don't know why people even feel the need to pirate anymore.
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Raikuro
07/01/18 8:07:24 PM
#89:


DavidWong posted...
Pirate it

If you love it, buy the real thing

If you don't then you haven't supported something that's garbage

This method is acceptable if you buy it the moment you realize you like it. Not years later for a dollar or part of a humble bundle or something when it's way too late for your purchase to matter.
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joestarrr
07/01/18 8:08:24 PM
#90:


Foppe posted...
You wouldnt download a Ferrari, would you?


lol
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darkjedilink
07/01/18 8:09:48 PM
#91:


catboy0_0 posted...
many games I played in my piracy days, which I've decided to end, are games I've gone back to purchase legitimately

Did you pay the average retail cost of the game when you pirated it?
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catboy0_0
07/01/18 8:10:27 PM
#92:


darkjedilink posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
many games I played in my piracy days, which I've decided to end, are games I've gone back to purchase legitimately

Did you pay the average retail cost of the game when you pirated it?

wat
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Howl
07/01/18 8:12:05 PM
#93:


Stealing is different than piracy.

When you steal something the owner no longer has access to what you took from them.

Not to say they both aren't morally wrong, but they are definitely different actions.
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darkjedilink
07/01/18 8:12:26 PM
#94:


catboy0_0 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
many games I played in my piracy days, which I've decided to end, are games I've gone back to purchase legitimately

Did you pay the average retail cost of the game when you pirated it?

wat

You said you 'later' bought it legitimately. If you pirated a game when it was $60, then legitimately bought the game when it was on a $5 Steam sale, that's still lost revenue.
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catboy0_0
07/01/18 8:12:59 PM
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\_()_/
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darkjedilink
07/01/18 8:14:57 PM
#96:


catboy0_0 posted...
\_()_/

That's all the response I need.
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GATTJT
07/01/18 8:15:47 PM
#97:


darkjedilink posted...
You said you 'later' bought it legitimately. If you pirated a game when it was $60, then legitimately bought the game when it was on a $5 Steam sale, that's still lost revenue.

No it isn't, because pirates wouldn't buy a game at full retail price just because they couldn't pirate it.
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darkjedilink
07/01/18 8:16:39 PM
#98:


GATTJT posted...
darkjedilink posted...
You said you 'later' bought it legitimately. If you pirated a game when it was $60, then legitimately bought the game when it was on a $5 Steam sale, that's still lost revenue.

No it isn't, because pirates wouldn't buy a game at full retail price just because they couldn't pirate it.

They played it, though, when it was $60, meanig they owe $60.
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Turbam
07/01/18 8:18:19 PM
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The mental gymnastics that pirates do is silly
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GATTJT
07/01/18 8:20:44 PM
#100:


darkjedilink posted...
They played it, though, when it was $60, meanig they owe $60.

And what about people who rent games? If I go to Redbox and rent a 60 dollar game, and complete it, do I then owe 60 bucks to the publisher?

Or how about those who buy pre-owned? The publishers don't see a nickel of pre-owned game sales.
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