Current Events > Boogie2988 blasts LGBT people for getting their rights too early

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His past is hard but being abused and homeless doesn't make him an expert on minority groups. Especially minority groups who experienced that treatment because of their identity.

His comments on this stuff show a sheltered opinion and viewpoint. Basically an unwillingness to see things from a viewpoint that isn't his own.
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CrimsonRage posted...

Esrac posted...

Boogie's point is the kind of tactics I described contribute to creating more extremists.

does it really "create extremists" or just embolden people already predisposed to extremism?

note that CrimsonRage already knows the answer to this question whenever youre talking about the terrorism in the middle east
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Godnorgosh posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Banana_Cyanide posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

this man literally blamed heather heyers death on anita sarkeesian. do not give him any attention.

When did this happen?

and why am I getting the feeling this is not what happened?

https://twitter.com/shartitheclown/status/1009908040181665793?s=21

Centrists are a cancer

I've honestly lost respect for h3h3 for giving people like boogie and Jordan Peterson a platform and propping them up like this as voices of reason. He was better when he stuck to making fun of prank videos.

Your respect means nothing because if you could have your way, you'd block anyone who isn't a radical Marxist from having a platform or power.
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Godnorgosh posted...

I've honestly lost respect for h3h3 for giving people like boogie and Jordan Peterson a platform and propping them up like this as voices of reason. He was better when he stuck to making fun of prank videos.

i really don't think he gives two shits

Godnorgosh posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Banana_Cyanide posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

this man literally blamed heather heyers death on anita sarkeesian. do not give him any attention.

When did this happen?

and why am I getting the feeling this is not what happened?

https://twitter.com/shartitheclown/status/1009908040181665793?s=21

Centrists are a cancer

I've honestly lost respect for h3h3 for giving people like boogie and Jordan Peterson a platform and propping them up like this as voices of reason. He was better when he stuck to making fun of prank videos.

Your respect means nothing because if you could have your way, you'd block anyone who isn't a radical Marxist from having a platform or power.

Sure, but in reality, during my lifetime, I will settle for not enabling these jackasses in blaming Charlottesville on leftists.

lmfao shut the fuck up bruh. dont you worry, eventually we'll ban communists from having a platform
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Darmik posted...

His past is hard but being abused and homeless doesn't make him an expert on minority groups. Especially minority groups who experienced that treatment because of their identity.

His comments on this stuff show a sheltered opinion and viewpoint. Basically an unwillingness to see things from a viewpoint that isn't his own.

lolwut

"I want to include everyone in the conversation and not have extreme views."

"OMG YOU'RE so close minded and sheltered!"

This kind of thing is why liberals keep losing support.... You're hypocritically lying about someone's stance, ignoring people who disagree with you, refusing to talk to them and then claiming they are close minded.

It's daft...
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Boogie's post is stupid and shows ignorance of the history surrounding LGBT rights. Gay rights weren't even discussed until after the Stonewall Riots. To claim that gay rights would have just magically happened without some level of extremism is absurd. Gay people were treated like absolute garbage in the 1960s are were routinely targeted and beaten by law enforcement. The climate was so extremely anti-gay back then, it took something major to finally start a conversation.

UnfairRepresent posted...

"I want to include everyone in the conversation and not have extreme views."

That isn't what I took issue with. Try again.

His idea of an extremist view is Anita Sarkeesian.

So yeah he's sheltered.
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Darmik posted...

His idea of an extremist view is Anita Sarkeesian.

Anita Sarkeesian does have extremist views. And she was one single example of many because it came up in a discussion.

So yeah he's sheltered.

I don't think you know what sheltered means, and you're definately a hypocrite. You're doing the same things you're complaining that others are doing.

People are not close-minded or sheltered or unwillingess to view from another perpsective because they disagree with you.

And instead of talking to them, you just belittle them.

Why would you say Anita Sarkeesian doesn't have extremist views? Are you intentionally conflating extremeist with violent? Because that's dishonest. You think Anita Sarkeesin has central views? She would radically disagree with you and scream at you angirly for saying that.
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Darmik posted...

His past is hard but being abused and homeless doesn't make him an expert on minority groups. Especially minority groups who experienced that treatment because of their identity.

His comments on this stuff show a sheltered opinion and viewpoint. Basically an unwillingness to see things from a viewpoint that isn't his own.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Anita Sarkeesian does have extremist views.

muh video games

UnfairRepresent posted...

People are not close-minded or sheltered or unwillingess to view from another perpsective because they disagree with you.

No. It's because they hold sheltered and nave opinions and think they're right.

UnfairRepresent posted...

And instead of talking to them, you just belittle them.

Nobody is talking to Boogie in this topic.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Why would you say Anita Sarkeesian doesn't have extremist views?

Because I don't consider "video games can lead people to sexist views" to be an extremist viewpoint.

Likewise I don't call all of those articles floating around about Fortnite to be extremist either. You said you want people to have a discussion. That's what people are doing by posting articles, research or videos. Even if you disagree with them. Even if you think they're not being fair or honest.

I also don't blame a single YouTuber for a woman being run down in a protest.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Are you intentionally conflating extremeist with violent? Because that's dishonest.

I generally consider an extremist to be someone who does extreme things. Sometimes it's violent. Usually it's at least illegal.
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He never claimed to be "An expert on minority groups" he never claimed Anita called Charlottesville, he never claimed that anyone was a Nazi (to my knowledge)

He claimed that no one is immune from abuse, everyone should work together to try and stop it and extremist groups/views aren't good idea.

IF you can't challenge those points without lying about them then all you're doing is empowering them. Which is the last thing you want to do if you actually oppose them because you think they are wrong.

I don't get why this is a hard concept to understand for several people.

Honestly the utter lack of logic and childish approach to thinking in this topic by several people has been embarrasing.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

He never claimed to be "An expert on minority groups" he never claimed Anita called Charlottesville

https://twitter.com/ShartiTheClown/status/1009908040181665793

His example of an extreme leftist that lead to death on the streets was Anita Sarkeesian.
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Darmik posted...

Nobody is talking to Boogie in this topic.

You're being hyper-literal here.

You're talking about Boogie's points to an open audience by intentionally lying about them and then dismissing them without thought or counterpoint because they differ from yours.

Darmik posted...

I generally consider an extremist to be someone who does extreme things.

Thats a non statement.

Sometimes it's violent. Usually it's at least illegal.

And that's an awful definition. Violence and illegality are not the definition of extreme.

If someone believed all left-handed people should be bathed in baked beans that's neither a violent or illegal view but it is an extreme one.

Hell by your logic the beliefs expressed by 99.9% of the Neo-Nazis in the Alt-Right parties are not extreme since they break no laws and don't hurt people.

You're being intellectually dishonest.

Darmik posted...

Because I don't consider "video games can lead people to sexist views" to be an extremist viewpoint.

And that's not the belief that is being called extreme.

Again you're being dishonest.

Likewise I don't call all of those articles floating around about Fortnite to be extremist either. You said you want people to have a discussion. That's what people are doing by posting articles, research or videos. Even if you disagree with them. Even if you think they're not being fair or honest.

A dishonest dicussion perhaps but you are also being close-minded and opposed to any and all people who think differently to you. Which is what you were complaining about and as such makes you a hypocrite.

I also don't blame a single YouTuber for a woman being run down in a protest.

Neither did Boogie.
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soulunison2 posted...

50Blessings posted...

People still defend this fat fuck omg

I know right?

Dude is a scumbag and is manipulating an entire audience

And Anita NEVER did that! No sir!
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Darmik posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

He never claimed to be "An expert on minority groups" he never claimed Anita called Charlottesville

https://twitter.com/ShartiTheClown/status/1009908040181665793

No he didn't.

Did you actually watch the interview? He talked about how Extreme Views lead to people dying. No centralists killed centralists at Charlotteville.

Again with the dishonesty.

2 groups of people who think like Boogie would never hurt each other. 2 groups who think the otherside should not be talked to, might.

If you disagree with the benefits of that logic, challenge THAT. Don't make up bullshit and then lie or you're no better than the Trump cultist supporters.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

You're talking about Boogie's points to an open audience by intentionally lying about them and then dismissing them without thought or counterpoint because they differ from yours.

Nope. I'm explaining my points fine. Keep up.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hell by your logic the beliefs expressed by 99.9% of the Neo-Nazis in the Alt-Right parties are not extreme since they break no laws and don't hurt people.

Neo-Nazis are extremist. Of course they are.

Alt-righters aren't necessarily extremists. But they tend to attract them. I don't consider Trump to be an extremist.

I'm not the one being dishonest here. I never said they had to be illegal. Just they usually are. Racism spouted by Neo-Nazi's is pretty damn extreme.

UnfairRepresent posted...

A dishonest dicussion perhaps but you are also being close-minded and opposed to any and all people who think differently to you. Which is what you were complaining about and as such makes you a hypocrite.

Boogie literally says America should think like him.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Neither did Boogie.

https://twitter.com/ShartiTheClown/status/1009908040181665793
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Darmik posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

He never claimed to be "An expert on minority groups" he never claimed Anita called Charlottesville

https://twitter.com/ShartiTheClown/status/1009908040181665793

No he didn't.

Did you actually watch the interview? He talked about how Extreme Views lead to people dying. No centralists killed centralists at Charlotteville.

Again with the dishonesty.

2 groups of people who think like Boogie would never hurt each other. 2 groups who think the otherside should not be talked to, might.

If you disagree with the benefits of that logic, challenge THAT. Don't make up bullshit and then lie or you're no better than the Trump cultist supporters.

So you think everyone should just...be centrist and have no real opinion on anything...?

Okay...

I guess we're going to ignore that LGBT people don't even have this choice hey?
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Long responses, just came to say boogie is FAT. He got smaller, if you call 300 pounds small.
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i love the sheer hypocrisy of these far-leftie "everyone should be accepted regardless" people fat shaming a guy because of his eating disorder caused by the abuse he experienced as a child

get a fucking grip

MrMegaMawile posted...

i love the sheer hypocrisy of these far-leftie "everyone should be accepted regardless" people fat shaming a guy because of his eating disorder caused by the abuse he experienced as a child

get a fucking grip

He's literally the first Google result for Obese YouTuber.

Lets not pretend that he didn't get a following by playing as an obese manchild on YouTube.

Calling him obese isn't fat shaming. It's what he's known for.
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Darmik posted...

Nope. I'm explaining my points fine.

Not really.

Your points are "HE's closed minded, sheltered and said a bunch of shit he actually never said!"

These are awful "points" and on par with a child yelling at someone they dislike.

Darmik posted...

Neo-Nazis are extremist. Of course they are.

But they're not automatically violent or breaking the law. So they don't fit your definition.

I see so your definition fits people you dislike but doesn't fit extreme views that don't bother you.

Darmik posted...

Racism spouted by Neo-Nazi's is pretty damn extreme.

And Racism/Sexism spouted by Anita is also extreme.

You haven't explained how it isn't, you've just been intellectually dishonest and gone "What's wrong with saying video games are sexist!?" which is not the views, attitudes or actions that are being called extreme

Darmik posted...

Boogie literally says America should think like him.

Yes? And?

He also praised that his audience was full of different views and wants different views to discuss things.

Thinking you are right =/= opposing discussion of other viewpoints.

Again you don't have much of an argument here. Most people think they are sane and others should think like them. Otherwise they wouldn't think the way they do, this is such a nonpoint.

Darmik posted...

https://twitter.com/ShartiTheClown/status/1009908040181665793

In that video he never claimed Anita or her actions killed anyone at Charlottesville.

Please actually watch the video or better yet the interview itself. You are just lying.

Darmik posted...

So you think everyone should just...be centrist and have no real opinion on anything...?

I don't know if being centralist is equal to having no opinion. Your anger and lying about Boogie instantly demonstrates that it is quite a strong opinion..

Whether or not people should do it? I don't know, why don't you discuss it and think about it?

I guess we're going to ignore that LGBT people don't even have this choice hey?

This choice? What do you mean? This sentence is incoherant.
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MrMegaMawile posted...

i love the sheer hypocrisy of these far-leftie "everyone should be accepted regardless" people fat shaming a guy because of his eating disorder caused by the abuse he experienced as a child

get a fucking grip

Being fat is a choice, not an essential part of who someone is.
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MrMegaMawile posted...

i love the sheer hypocrisy of these far-leftie "everyone should be accepted regardless" people fat shaming a guy because of his eating disorder caused by the abuse he experienced as a child

get a fucking grip

To be honest the strongest argument so far for anything Boogie has said has been that the left has been unable or unwilling to actually counter his points or logic and just insulted him or lied about what he said.

If this was a debate they would have lost by default... And losing a debate to a recording is crazy.

I'm mildly offended just by the sheer lack of intelligence and logic on display. It's on par if not worse than actions of the most extreme (Again not illegal or violent) of the Trump Trolls on CE who are trying to be funny parodies intentionally being illogical.
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RebelElite791 posted...

MrMegaMawile posted...

i love the sheer hypocrisy of these far-leftie "everyone should be accepted regardless" people fat shaming a guy because of his eating disorder caused by the abuse he experienced as a child

get a fucking grip

Being fat is a choice, not an essential part of who someone is.

if it's brought about by an eating disorder at a young age caused by neglect and abuse, is it really a choice? whatever, i don't care much about him as a person but i find the reactions people are having towards him fucking astounding

i thought you people were against punching down and all that? now you're going after a guy who comes from a background of poverty and abuse and trying to shame him for his opinions, which really aren't that controversial to someone who isn't a tribalistic brainlet, and for his "privilege" as a straight white male? come the fuck on

UnfairRepresent posted...

And Racism/Sexism spouted by Anita is also extreme.

Ok so what are those extremist viewpoints?

UnfairRepresent posted...

In that video he never claimed Anita or her actions killed anyone at Charlottesville.

She was the example of the far left.

The Neo-Nazis were the example of the far right.

He said those people lead to people being killed on the streets.

Which is also what you are starting to imply.

UnfairRepresent posted...

This choice? What do you mean? This sentence is incoherant.

Your point here;
UnfairRepresent posted...

Did you actually watch the interview? He talked about how Extreme Views lead to people dying. No centralists killed centralists at Charlotteville.

Again with the dishonesty.

2 groups of people who think like Boogie would never hurt each other. 2 groups who think the otherside should not be talked to, might.

Doesn't really mix well with the Boogie quote in the OP wouldn't you say?

It's a shame that being gay isn't a centrist viewpoint so no one would die...
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then again i should've come to expect this level of intellectual bankrupcy from gamefaqs

bankruptcy* cheers level restrictions

hyperpsycho posted...

MrMegaMawile posted...

lgbtqwertyiop

Nice dogwhistle

Lol the triggering that comment caused.

@MrMegaMawile
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PanzerElite posted...

hyperpsycho posted...

MrMegaMawile posted...

lgbtqwertyiop

Nice dogwhistle

Lol the triggering that comment caused.

@MrMegaMawile

lmao it's fucking palpable

Darmik posted...

Ok so what are those extremist viewpoints?

That men, specifically white men cannot be victims of abuse and should not have voices heard in discussions of sexism or privilege.
Active attempts to censor people.
Active anger/threats towards people who disagree with her.
The fact she ran a dishonest Ponzi scheme.

You know, the things Boogie was talking about in the interview you claim you have seen.

Darmik posted...

He was the example of the far left.

The Neo-Nazis were the example of the far right.

He said those people lead to people being killed on the streets.

Which is also what you are starting to imply.

You're not getting it. The point isn't "Anita is going out there with an AK-47 and blowing away Little Timmy!" his point was (absolutely blatantly by the way to the degree that I do not for one second believe you truly do not comprehend this) is that having extreme views leads to extreme actions that don't happen to people who are calm, central and rational. He literally very slowly explained this, how he wants to pull people with extreme views back to the mellow sane middle.

Charlottesville was a bunch of Nazis and a bunch of leftists who hate each other forming two groups until something gave, and it did.

He's not saying "Anita is one of the Nazis or Antifa!" he's pointing out the rationale. The "I am right and by hook or by crook I will force you or the government or at least everyone who will listen to recongize it right now!" logic.

A 5 year old can comprehend this, why are you pretending that you can't?

Darmik posted...

Doesn't really mix well with the Boogie quote in the OP wouldn't you say?

It's a shame that being gay isn't a centrist viewpoint so no one would die...

What are on about? You still haven't explained what that original sentence means and being gay or straight or bi or asexual has nothing to do with being "centralist."

Why can't gay people be centralists? I'd argue that most are, at least left-leaning centralists.

And Boogie never said that people shouldn't be gay.

Boogie said that he a longtime full supporter of equal rights for gay marriage but that the slow growth of support among society meant that if they waited for 5-10 years it would have occured anyway without death, pain and bloodshed instead of forcing it now and people being pissed.

If you disagree with that and oppose that, then disagree with that and oppose that. Don't make up other shit and lie to be mad at him, argue that it beneficial to force it now and be emotional about it or that people would have died anyway if we waited.

Don't make up shit about calling Anita a Nazi or that he is unwilling to accept other views because you're close minded or that gay people can't be centralists or all this other embarrasing shit
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MrMegaMawile posted...

if it's brought about by an eating disorder at a young age caused by neglect and abuse, is it really a choice? whatever, i don't care much about him as a person but i find the reactions people are having towards him fucking astounding

i thought you people were against punching down and all that? now you're going after a guy who comes from a background of poverty and abuse and trying to shame him for his opinions, which really aren't that controversial to someone who isn't a tribalistic brainlet, and for his "privilege" as a straight white male? come the fuck on

More importantly than that, why even insult him at all?

If you think the views are weak, then challenge the views. Insulting/lying about him just makes him look right and makes you look pathetic and wrong, which is the last thing you want to do if you think his views are bad.

This is the same reason Milo took off.

People called him gay and stupid and ugly and insulted him, tried to get him banned from speaking and he became a B-list celebrity.

Then people actually listened to him, thought what he said was repulsive and he fell off the face of the Earth.

I'm reminded of the quote
"Cutting off a man's tongue does not prove him a liar, it proves you were afraid of what had to say"
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UnfairRepresent posted...

That men, specifically white men cannot be victims of abuse and should not have voices heard in discussions of sexism or privilege.
Active attempts to censor people.
Active anger/threats towards people who disagree with her.
The fact she ran a dishonest Ponzi scheme.

I'm sure these are all completely honest and no one would have had an issue with the YouTube videos otherwise.

UnfairRepresent posted...

He's not saying "Anita is one of the Nazis or Antifa!" he's pointing out the rationale. The "I am right and by hook or by crook I will force you or the government or at least everyone who will listen to recongize it right now!" logic.

Like how Boogie literally says how everyone should think like him in America?

Or is that different?

UnfairRepresent posted...

Boogie said that he a longtime full supporter of equal rights for gay marriage but that the slow growth of support among society meant that if they waited for 5-10 years it would have occured anyway without death, pain and bloodshed instead of forcing it now and people being pissed.

What a crock of shit.

Gay people have been abused and murdered for decades.

Trying to place any blame on them for marriage equality is completely sheltered.

The examples used for 'extreme leftists' that lead to 'death on the streets' are a feminist YouTube critic and gay people wanting to be married now instead of waiting for 5 years and you're throwing a tantrum that people aren't taking him seriously.

It's so dumb.

"Well if you don't want to be abused or oppressed maybe you should have asked nicer"

Ridiculous.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

This is the same reason Milo took off.

People called him gay and stupid and ugly and insulted him, tried to get him banned from speaking and he became a B-list celebrity.

Then people actually listened to him, thought what he said was repulsive and he fell off the face of the Earth.

Yep, I keep using this as an example against people who think that silencing people on college campuses work, because it does the exact opposite. A lot of his liberal/left leaning fanbase were supporting him because of his "pro-free speech" stance. Once they learned about his stance on having older men having sex with underage boys somehow "benefits" them, everyone stood their distance with him.
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Darmik posted...

Like how Boogie literally says how everyone should think like him in America?

Or is that different?

Completely. Because he's not holding rallies, trying to censor others, shouting at people, or particularly bothered by those who disagree with him.

I'll go back to pointing out that Boogie likes that he has a mixed audience while Anita is horrified that conservatives watch his show and that he is friends with people who have different views to him.

Near everyone thinks they are right. Most people are not extreme. This is not hard to understand.

Darmik posted...

I'm sure these are all completely honest

They are

and no one would have had an issue with the YouTube videos otherwise.

She'd be one of the other 2,000 identical (in fact better quality) videos doing/saying the same thing that no one cares or talks about.

Darmik posted...

Trying to place any blame on them for marriage equality is completely sheltered.

Again this sentence is incoherant

Think before you type.

Darmik posted...

The examples used for 'extreme leftists' that lead to 'death on the streets' are a feminist YouTube critic

No it was not.

You're lying again.

Darmik posted...

"Well if you don't want to be abused or oppressed maybe you should have asked nicer"

Ridiculous.

Again dishonesty.

That's not what he said. Or anyone said to my knowledge.

Once again all you're doing is lying and arguing strawmen. Which leads me to believe you dont actually have a counter to any of his views.

All you can do is string together insults, then make up shit no one ever said and declare the shit you made up is dumb.

If you want to oppose the stance you need to argue that extremist views are superior to centralist ones. Which you totally can do.

But stop the lying and the insults. It just makes everything worse for everyone and empowers the views you claim are bad.
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So somebody who is far-right hears me say something that's moderate. Then they might move closer towards moderate. And then Anita you can pick em up from there and take them all the way to the goal post right? But that's not for me to do. Because I don't give a shit about your goal post. I give a shit about the logical sane middle. And if I can bring someone back from either side and I get it. If I pull someone from your team back towards center that's bad. I understand that. But I'm bringing people back towards the logical thinking middle stuff and I think that's where we all need to be because that's how our country works right? Agree to disagree kindly and sweetly. Battling in the courts and battling in the polls. Not in the fucking streets! The way you are doing it people are getting fucking killed in Charlottesville! What are you fucking doing?

Imagine telling this shit to someone like MLK. I wonder what they'd say?

Imagine thinking that people shouldn't protest and should solely rely on the law and voting. Wait no that's not good enough either because people voted for gay marriage too quickly according to Boogie.

And yet this person is not sheltered? lol.

He even admits he doesn't give a shit about 'goal posts' anyway! If America was like Boogie you'd still have no equality between minorities and women.
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