Current Events > it literally makes no sense for you to side with the empire in Skyrim SPOILERS

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they just tried to execute you for no reason. they even admit they have nothing on you but they say "but oh well. we'll just kill you anyway cause reasons"

why would the Dovakin want to help the people who were going to chop his or her head off?

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I mean, literally look at the people on this board who are pro empire and you'll quickly figure out why.
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You're right but your reasoning is probably the weakest reason for it.

The stormcloaks are racist, dumb, and unwitting puppets for an extremely evil organisation that seems to basically be elvish nazis.

The empire is merely incompetent.
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One captain =/= "the Empire"
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Tmk posted...

The stormcloaks are racist, dumb, and unwitting puppets for an extremely evil organisation that seems to basically be elvish nazis.

The empire is merely incompetent.

I like how people who just want freedom are deemed racist. it's their land. the empire came in and stole it. the stormcloaks are no different from William Wallace

Zikten posted...

I like how people who

are literally racist, this is irrefutable.
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nice job giving modern 21st century morals to a medieval people

Racism is racism, objectively. Time is irrelevant.

I can tell now though you have no actual logical basis and just want to fight about dumb things, so farewell.
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Tmk posted...

The stormcloaks are racist, dumb, and unwitting puppets for an extremely evil organisation that seems to basically be elvish nazis.

The empire is merely incompetent.

And the Thalmor literally control the Empire. It's a lose-lose no matter what side you pick. At least with the Stormcloaks you get to fight back against the Thalmor's oppression.

someone on CE who knows alot about elder scrolls lore recently said that the only hope for the empire is if the Stormcloaks win. if the empire wins, they then will lose to the elves. but if the stormcloaks win, the empire might eventually defeat the elves

Reminder that the Nords being bitter and hateful towards other races for encroaching on their land is super fucking racist in a video game.

It's perfectly cool for Native Americans to be bitter and racist towards everyone for stealing their land IRL tho
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Zikten posted...

someone on CE who knows alot about elder scrolls lore recently said that the only hope for the empire is if the Stormcloaks win. if the empire wins, they then will lose to the elves. but if the stormcloaks win, the empire might eventually defeat the elves

inb4 rebel meltdown
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The Stormcloaks and Empire both suck. The best solution is to make a custom mod, where you defeat both sides, and become First Emperor of a New Era.

Zikten posted...

someone on CE who knows alot about elder scrolls lore recently said that the only hope for the empire is if the Stormcloaks win. if the empire wins, they then will lose to the elves. but if the stormcloaks win, the empire might eventually defeat the elves

Idk how that makes sense though. If the empire loses Skyrim they don't have much left at all and basically become extinct.
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I think the idea was that an independent skyrim then might ally with the empire to fight off the elves

RebelElite791 posted...

One captain =/= "the Empire"

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Stormcloaks have no chance against the Aldmeri tbh
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Zikten posted...

I like how people who just want freedom are deemed racist. it's their land. the empire came in and stole it. the stormcloaks are no different from William Wallace

It's the Falmer's land, and the Empire BEGAN in Skyrim. Nobody stole shit from the Nords.

Zikten posted...

someone on CE who knows alot about elder scrolls lore recently said that the only hope for the empire is if the Stormcloaks win. if the empire wins, they then will lose to the elves. but if the stormcloaks win, the empire might eventually defeat the elves

I know more about TES lore than anyone on this board and that's a load of bullshit.
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The best part of the Empire quests is killing Ulfric.
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For the legion!
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shockthemonkey posted...

Zikten posted...

nice job giving modern 21st century morals to a medieval people

You know this is fantasy, right?

yes. another reason why that guy shouldn't be judging them. they are a fantasy medieval culture. and he wants to apply real world 21st century morality to them. this is the same people who always condemn historical figures. news flash, if we apply modern morals to history, then NOBODY in history is a good person. the entire world used to do stuff that we today consider bad

Can anyone give a detailed explanation on how either side winning could ultimately lead to the fall of the Thalmor?

Cause it seems like they're coming out on top either way
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Empire didn't steal the Nords' land. Skyrim willingly joined the empire. They're one of the few countries Tiber Septim didn't need to conquer.
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RebelElite791 posted...

It's the Falmer's land, and the Empire BEGAN in Skyrim. Nobody stole shit from the Nords.

It was the Falmer's land in ancient times. It's been the Nords' land for millennia.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

It's the Falmer's land, and the Empire BEGAN in Skyrim. Nobody stole shit from the Nords.

It was the Falmer's land in ancient times. It's been the Nords' land for millennia.

And nobody stole shit from the Nords. If it was stolen from anyone it's the Falmer.

Tiber Septim was a Nord and began the Empire there.
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Ulfric is a secret Thalmor asset anyway, so handing him Skyrim basically gives the Thalmor control. Incompetent though the Empire is, they would at least provide some chance at driving off the Thalmor.
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MarqueeSeries posted...

Can anyone give a detailed explanation on how either side winning could ultimately lead to the fall of the Thalmor?

Cause it seems like they're coming out on top either way

The peace between the Empire and the Dominion is essentially based on both sides being weakened from the war to the point that they don't want to fight on. The Empire got the worst of the deal because they didn't realize at the time that the Thalmor were also desperate, having committed basically their entire army to the initial invasion that just got pushed back.

The important thing is that the Aldmeri Dominion, as strong as it is, doesn't really have good odds of winning a war outright against the entire Empire. They need to divide and conquer, and even in their previous invasion they relied on surprise more than anything else, which won't work again. And Skyrim is very important to the Empire's chances in war, because its northern location kept it more or less untouched by the war. While it obviously lost a lot of people, it's in better shape than most of Tamriel and would be the biggest source of soldiers and supplies for the Empire. So Skyrim staying under Imperial control goes a long way to ensuring the Empire can be strong enough to not be defeated by the Thalmor, while Skyrim splitting off runs the risk of turning one entity the Dominion can't beat into two entities it can take one at a time.

The ideal outcome for the Thalmor is stalemate, as the longer the civil war goes the more it weakens everyone involved, but after that a Stormcloak win is their next preferred outcome, since it creates a divide they can try to exploit to help them take their enemies down in manageable chunks.
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bover_87 posted...

Ulfric is a secret Thalmor asset anyway, so handing him Skyrim basically gives the Thalmor control. Incompetent though the Empire is, they would at least provide some chance at driving off the Thalmor.

No he isn't lol

They considered him a potential asset in the sense that they could blackmail him based off their (exaggerated) success in torturing him for information. The document in the game that says they see him as an asset also says that contacting him would be a terrible idea and they have no real power over him anymore. They just like that he's causing a lot of casualties on both sides of the civil war.
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As a white imperialist, its my job to conquer Skyrim and tame these beasts called Nords.

Wilhelm? Kill these savages.
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MarqueeSeries posted...

Can anyone give a detailed explanation on how either side winning could ultimately lead to the fall of the Thalmor?

Cause it seems like they're coming out on top either way

The Thalmor will never truly win because it would mean the end of the franchise. The next couple sequels will still probably be set in this Cold War between the Empire and the Dominion.
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Zikten posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Zikten posted...

nice job giving modern 21st century morals to a medieval people

You know this is fantasy, right?

yes. another reason why that guy shouldn't be judging them. they are a fantasy medieval culture. and he wants to apply real world 21st century morality to them. this is the same people who always condemn historical figures. news flash, if we apply modern morals to history, then NOBODY in history is a good person. the entire world used to do stuff that we today consider bad

Well then don't judge the magic nazi elves who want to unmake reality. We might consider such things bad with our strange 2018 morals, but in Altmer culture, it is more than justified.
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I side with the Stormcloaks because I support freedom of religion.

Typhon posted...

I side with the Stormcloaks because I support freedom of religion.

They're nothing but a bunch of antielvitists.
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