Current Events > Trump punks out, flips to sign executive order to stop family separations.

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An executive order that wasnt needed to end his own administrations policy. Say, didnt he always complain whenever Obama used an executive order?

Also inb4 Trumpanzees: Stop criticizing trump, he gave you what you want, so leave him alone!!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration/trump-backs-down-orders-end-to-family-separations-at-u-s-border-idUSKBN1JG27Q

By the way hes keeping the zero tolerance policy.
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I feel like he had been saying that there was nothing he could do the last few days. Weird.
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https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1009530698645016577

They are fully aware this EO is illegal and will not last.
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Theres nothing I can do to stop this unless I get enough bad press
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Lol why would he sign an EO against his own policy? You guys have really gone off the rails
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Trump & admin: There is no family separation policy

Trump & admin: Okay there is but blame it on the Democrats

Trump & admin: Only Congress can change it

Trump & admin: Heres an executive order, you happy now!?!!
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I'd be happier if

a. his administration didn't initiate the zero tolerance policy that lead to this in the first place.,

b. he didn't completely, transparently use this as an attempt to get his stupid wall idea funded bipartisan

c. he didn't back down from it until it became clear that literally everyone except fat racists on the internet were not in favor of what was being done to kids

and we aren't out of the woods yet because he's still approaching this in a "work it out congress!!!!" manner, just being way more low key about it (so far).

this was all one of the most blatant examples of a politician playing checkers with human lives to try and get what they want in recent memory. i'm actually mildly shocked and the slightest bit heartened that the republican party at large was sane enough to say no to him, but the more grounded part of me is saying that they probably wouldn't have cared as much if it hadn't come to such a high profile state as it did
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iPhone_7 posted...

Trump & admin: There is no family separation policy

Trump & admin: Okay there is but blame it on the Democrats

Trump & admin: Only Congress can change it

Trump & admin: Heres an executive order, you happy now!?!!

You're forgetting the part where he's still trying to make his policy Congress' problem so he can continue to hold these people hostage for his wall.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Lol why would he sign an EO against his own policy? You guys have really gone off the rails

Wut
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Yesterday- "Fuck these illegals. Maybe they shouldn't force their children to commit crimes if they don't want to be separated!"

Today- "Trump is such a great guy for listening to the people and ending this terrible policy"
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Further proof that liberals cannot be happy and there is literally nothing he can do that is right.

Stay sour. All this does is validate that you don't actually give a shit about the people or the issues, you and your kind just want to take any opportunity to shit on Trump and soil yourselves with rage.

Keep it up. Truly, all you're doing is further securing his 2020 victory and ensuring libs will never, ever hold power for a very long time if at all.

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Further proof that liberals cannot be happy and there is literally nothing he can do that is right.

Stay sour. All this does is validate that you don't actually give a shit about the people or the issues, you and your kind just want to take any opportunity to shit on Trump and soil yourselves with rage.

Keep it up. Truly, all you're doing is further securing his 2020 victory and ensuring libs will never, ever hold power for a very long time if at all.

Basically
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Virtually everyone here is overlooking the fact that this ruling was put in place during the Obama years. This administration was simply enforcing those rules until a better solution could be identified. Trump's detractors should give him the credit he deserves for addressing the matter.
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Peter_Giffyndor posted...

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Settle down before you crack again and need a new account.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Yesterday- "Fuck these illegals. Maybe they shouldn't force their children to commit crimes if they don't want to be separated!"

Today- "Trump is such a great guy for listening to the people and ending this terrible policy"

*Creates crises*

*Stops crises*

Praise me please!
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Was Trump the president in 2015?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.html
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Was Trump the president in 2015?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.html

Wtf but I was told it was Trumps policy
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B-b-but I wanted those policies to continue so I could continue to blame Trump!


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Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Further proof that liberals cannot be happy and there is literally nothing he can do that is right.

Stay sour. All this does is validate that you don't actually give a shit about the people or the issues, you and your kind just want to take any opportunity to shit on Trump and soil yourselves with rage.

Keep it up. Truly, all you're doing is further securing his 2020 victory and ensuring libs will never, ever hold power for a very long time if at all.

We're happy.
We're just also laughing at you.
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Kazi1212 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Was Trump the president in 2015?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.html

Wtf but I was told it was Trumps policy

Detaining families togethor =/= Separating children from their parents

Could you two & the Peter poster be any more of a joke
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iPhone_7 posted...

An executive order that wasnt needed to end his own administrations policy. Say, didnt he always complain whenever Obama used an executive order?

Also inb4 Trumpanzees: Stop criticizing trump, he gave you what you want, so leave him alone!!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration/trump-backs-down-orders-end-to-family-separations-at-u-s-border-idUSKBN1JG27Q

By the way hes keeping the zero tolerance policy.

The zero tolerance policy is his "own administration's policy". I'm a bit confused by what you're implying.

To me it appears an EO had to be issued to allow children and parents to be detained together. Please tell me exactly why that is not the case, as you seem to allege.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Was Trump the president in 2015?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/us/detained-immigrant-children-judge-dolly-gee-ruling.html

Correct me if I misunderstood but while this article details terrible things it sounded like the mothers and children were together so not separated. Again it's still horrible but not the same policy that's currently happening.

TheRealDill2000 posted...

Virtually everyone here is overlooking the fact that this ruling was put in place during the Obama years. This administration was simply enforcing those rules until a better solution could be identified. Trump's detractors should give him the credit he deserves for addressing the matter.

But Trump said that everything Obama did was wrong - so why enforce this?
And why did Sessions have to add extra stipulations?

Hmm.. it's almost like this wasn't something "only put in place during the Obama years"

Now Biff, don't con me!
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Capn Circus posted...

The zero tolerance policy is his "own administration's policy". I'm a bit confused by what you're implying.

To me it appears an EO had to be issued to allow children and parents to be detained together. Please tell me exactly why that is not the case, as you seem to allege.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry

An executive order wasnt required for them to start a zero tolerance policy. An executive order wasnt needed to have a policy of not separating children from their new parents.

This was intentional and it backfired BIGLY

SAD!
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He should fire Jeff Sessions and pretend like he was against this all along and is just as shocked and outraged as everyone else.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Capn Circus posted...

The zero tolerance policy is his "own administration's policy". I'm a bit confused by what you're implying.

To me it appears an EO had to be issued to allow children and parents to be detained together. Please tell me exactly why that is not the case, as you seem to allege.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-announces-zero-tolerance-policy-criminal-illegal-entry

An executive order wasnt required for them to start a zero tolerance policy. An executive order wasnt needed to have a policy of not separating children from their new parents.

This was intentional and it backfired BIGLY

SAD!

The way the already existing law is written is that if you want hold the parents in custody while you investigate their case then you cannot keep them together with their kids. You would have to release them into the U.S. and hope that they actually return for their hearing when they're supposed to and don't just flee to a sanctuary city.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

The way the already existing law is written is that if you want hold the parents in custody while you investigate their case then you cannot keep them together with their kids. You would have to release them into the U.S. and hope that they actually return for their hearing when they're supposed to and don't just flee to a sanctuary city.

You are correct. Maybe they could have included the not separating families part in the memo so that itd be how it is now. We have to secure our border, but we dont need to separate already desperate families. They can get deported togethor.
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So even though the zero tolerance policy is sticking doesn't that mean there will still be children crying behind cages just this time with the adults that smuggled them in? I'm confused how this changes the inhumanity of the situation.
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iPhone_7 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

The way the already existing law is written is that if you want hold the parents in custody while you investigate their case then you cannot keep them together with their kids. You would have to release them into the U.S. and hope that they actually return for their hearing when they're supposed to and don't just flee to a sanctuary city.

You are correct. Maybe they could have included the not separating families part in the memo so that itd be how it is now. We have to secure our border, but we dont need to separate already desperate families. They can get deported togethor.

The law, as it was already written, required the separation of children from their parents. It would be illegal for the parents and children to remain together in custody. Trump and his administration did not create that law.

What has changed is that there is now zero tolerance for people entering the country illegally. And because they are now being actually charged with crimes and taken into custody, they are required to be separated from their kids due the preexisting law.

Ted Cruz is proposing a bill that would allow the families to remain together.
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Trump ordered the policy change back in April that lead to this crises. Its as simple as that.

Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible.
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Good. Shame it took him so long to stop doing, what any other person wouldn't of started doing, but you can't change the past.

https://twitter.com/CarwilBJ/status/1009523194892435456

I've just read the Trump Executive Order. It's not a solution, and it makes some things worse.

Here's what it actually does
1. Codifies Jeff Sessions' "zero tolerance" directive until new immigration legislation is passed.
2. Limits the definition of family to parent-child pairs. Aunts, uncles, grandparents, etc. are excluded.
3. Puts families under Homeland Security custody during criminal, immigration cases. Previously, children and detained families had to be held in facilities contracted by the Department of Health and Human Services.
3c. Authorizes the military to build new prisons for migrant families.
3d. Allows all Federal departments to offer their buildings as prisons.
3e. Authorizes the DOJ to try to wriggle out of the Flores Agreement.
4. Orders parents to be prosecuted first in immigration courts

Text of EO: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/affording-congress-opportunity-address-family-separation/

Update: The New York Times reports that HHS has said "There will be no grandfathering of existing cases"i.e., the already separate kids will not be reunited with their parents any sooner. And that the Justice Department says it is unclear whether the government will still incarcerate adult and send kids to HHS after 20 days if a judge doesn't overrule the Flores agreement. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html

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Indefinite detention of minors with their parents isn't any better
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gunplagirl posted...

Indefinite detention of minors with their parents isn't any better

Im sure its not indefinite. And having the parents around is hell of a lot better. I dont know how anyone can seriously claim otherwise.

Groups of kids in cages and theyre all crying for their parents. The barely older ones having to change the younger ones diapers. A pre-teen/teen curling up on the floor crying, feeling all alone.

I feel like people are not fully grasping the extent of what these children are going to though.

Better than summer camps
A few more and we got ourselves an orchestra
Womp Womp
#MAGA #TrumpThatB****!
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iPhone_7 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Indefinite detention of minors with their parents isn't any better

Im sure its not indefinite. And having the parents around is hell of a lot better. I dont know how anyone can seriously claim otherwise.

Groups of kids in cages and theyre all crying for their parents. The barely older ones having to change the younger ones diapers. A pre-teen/teen curling up on the floor crying, feeling all alone.

I feel like people are not fully grasping the extent of what these children are going to though.

Traumatized children womp womp. #MAGA

I'm not sure how useful it is to declare that "this is better than what was before". To me it looks very much like this was the end goal from the beginning. Outrage people with the horrible separation, then do the EO and you get your concentration camps anyway.
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Well sure, the indefinite detention might be ended when Trump leaves. Err, if Trump leaves.
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scar the 1 posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Indefinite detention of minors with their parents isn't any better

Im sure its not indefinite. And having the parents around is hell of a lot better. I dont know how anyone can seriously claim otherwise.

Groups of kids in cages and theyre all crying for their parents. The barely older ones having to change the younger ones diapers. A pre-teen/teen curling up on the floor crying, feeling all alone.

I feel like people are not fully grasping the extent of what these children are going to though.

Traumatized children womp womp. #MAGA

I'm not sure how useful it is to declare that "this is better than what was before". To me it looks very much like this was the end goal from the beginning. Outrage people with the horrible separation, then do the EO and you get your concentration camps anyway.

Better yet, trump comes out looking like a hero for reuniting the families. And people who were outraged are satisfied because suddenly the concern of split families is resolved. Them being detained is now a okay as long as they're together, the consensus seems to be.
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gunplagirl posted...

Better yet, trump comes out looking like a hero for reuniting the families. And people who were outraged are satisfied because suddenly the concern of split families is resolved. Them being detained is now a okay as long as they're together, the consensus seems to be.

Oh yeah it's obviously a thing they're gonna bring up come midterm elections
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scar the 1 posted...

I'm not sure how useful it is to declare that "this is better than what was before". To me it looks very much like this was the end goal from the beginning. Outrage people with the horrible separation, then do the EO and you get your concentration camps anyway.

I dont know what more you can demand from this administration though. He failed repealing Obamacare. Hes made it clear hes going to do whatever he can to declare victory on Immigration before the midterms. This administration is going to go through with whatever they can get away with.

Putting an end to separation is not nothing. These kids that are by themselves are going to be affected by it for the rest of their lives. Last thing we need is a news story about some of the pre-teens/teens hanging themselves.
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iPhone_7 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

I'm not sure how useful it is to declare that "this is better than what was before". To me it looks very much like this was the end goal from the beginning. Outrage people with the horrible separation, then do the EO and you get your concentration camps anyway.

I dont know what more you can demand from this administration though. He failed repealing Obamacare. Hes made it clear hes going to do whatever he can to declare victory on Immigration before the midterms. This administration is going to go through with whatever they can get away with.

Putting an end to separation is not nothing. These kids that are by themselves are going to be affected by it for the rest of their lives. Last thing we need is a news story about some of the pre-teens/teens hanging themselves.

No, it's definitely nothing. They put the separation in place to begin with, now they "put an end to it" while they keep the zero-tolerance policy in place as well as bake it into an executive order along with some other policies that enable and facilitate concentration camps. It's a win for the administration, and to me it looks like what they were going for all along.
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I'm just imagining the GOP campaign ads that will come out later this year.

Someone let those separated children and parents know that whether or not theyre togethor makes no difference.

George Takei: At least during my internment, I was not taken from my parents

But the difference is basically nothing!
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I mean sure, if you want to frame concentration camps with "at least we don't kidnap your children anymore" then go ahead
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