Current Events > If climate change is all or mostly man-made it can't be stopped tbh

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We would have to go back to an agrarian society around the world for that to happen

The best we could ever do is make the world livable for slightly longer
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Even if you hold that second belief, making the world livable for longer would be a perfectly fine thing to aim for.
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Anything that doesn't involve government regulation I'm okay with.
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I mean environmental policies benefit us in other ways, and possibly they could make the world livable until say 2200 instead of 2100

But the idea of "reversing climate change" seems fake IMO
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its not about reversing climate change its about stopping before we reach the threshold of no return
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Actual science disagrees. The man made part is less than 10% of the overall package. It's mostly just a natural cycle

Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

Actual science disagrees. The man made part is less than 10% of the overall package. It's mostly just a natural cycle

Actual science as in 1 crazy scientist that no one takes seriously*
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Climate change will be stopped. It's inevitable.
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soyforsteaks posted...

Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

Actual science disagrees. The man made part is less than 10% of the overall package. It's mostly just a natural cycle

Actual science as in 1 crazy scientist that no one takes seriously*

Doesn't mean he's wrong.
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soyforsteaks posted...

Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

Actual science disagrees. The man made part is less than 10% of the overall package. It's mostly just a natural cycle

Actual science as in 1 crazy scientist that no one takes seriously*

It's literally been proven time and time again. We literally just came out of an ice age. Climate change IS real but people blow it way out of proportion because doing so is a money maker.

soyforsteaks posted...

its not about reversing climate change its about stopping before we reach the threshold of no return

That won't happen though.

Think about all the factories and vehicles that use fossil fuels. You could fix that I guess by making every factory and vehicle in the world run on renewable energy, but that isn't feasible
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

It's literally been proven time and time again.

proven as in a claim thrown out by that crazy scientist no one takes seriously

you know some scientists claim telepathy is real too
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oh yeah and i forgot about about those fat cat scientists laughing at us on their million dollar yacht parties
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soyforsteaks posted...

Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

It's literally been proven time and time again.

proven as in a claim thrown out by that crazy scientist no one takes seriously

you know some scientists claim telepathy is real too

I get it, you think man plays a significant role in global warming. You are free to your opinion.

soyforsteaks posted...

oh yeah and i forgot about about those fat cat scientists laughing at us on their million dollar yacht parties

How about that Gore guy?

its not an opinion its a fact
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Only someone uneducated or a moron would think humans don't play a relevant role in global warming.
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Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

Climate change IS real but people blow it way out of proportion because doing so is a money maker.

You have a poor analysis of who has the money and financial incentive on this issue.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Think about all the factories and vehicles that use fossil fuels. You could fix that I guess by making every factory and vehicle in the world run on renewable energy, but that isn't feasible

Less feasible than the world becoming unlivable?
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Antifar posted...

Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

Climate change IS real but people blow it way out of proportion because doing so is a money maker.

You have a poor analysis of who has the money and financial incentive on this issue.

It's the people pushing new technology. Put out a few "studies", fearmonger a little, huge profit.

soyforsteaks posted...

its not an opinion its a fact

It literally is

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Only someone uneducated or a moron would think humans don't play a relevant role in global warming.

They don't and I'm shocked you're the one saying this
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/green-tech/a23417/convert-co2-into-ethanol/
We can drink away global warming.
No idea what all that extra pee will do to sea levels, though.

Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

It literally is

literally isn't
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soyforsteaks posted...

Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

It literally is

literally isn't

Is

Antifar posted...

Y2J0_sHBK_Blue posted...

Climate change IS real but people blow it way out of proportion because doing so is a money maker.

You have a poor analysis of who has the money and financial incentive on this issue.

This is bullshit because you're refusing to acknowledge who has the power incentive on this issue. Hint - it's not the people who love free markets and competition in the economy.
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Antifar posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

Think about all the factories and vehicles that use fossil fuels. You could fix that I guess by making every factory and vehicle in the world run on renewable energy, but that isn't feasible

Less feasible than the world becoming unlivable?

If you want to see how far away we are from clean renewable energy being the majority, let alone the only energy used, try driving in Los Angeles
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also the issue of humans and climate change has long been settled, way before the technology boom

theres no opinion to be had on the subject
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soyforsteaks posted...

also the issue of humans and climate change has long been settled, way before the technology boom

theres no opinion to be had on the subject

This is true. What's important is just how big of an impact humans play. As it turns out, less than ten percent.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Antifar posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

Think about all the factories and vehicles that use fossil fuels. You could fix that I guess by making every factory and vehicle in the world run on renewable energy, but that isn't feasible

Less feasible than the world becoming unlivable?

If you want to see how far away we are from clean renewable energy being the majority, let alone the only energy used, try driving in Los Angeles

What a vacuous and utterly worthless post.

Solar energy is now by far the cheapest form of new electricity. And also the biggest form of new electricity in America and also other countries. India and Saudi Arabia are poised to adopt it like crazy.

Wind has also become super cheap and accessible. And the trend will continue.
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Im hoping we can science our way out of global warming...figure out how to get more CO2 out of the atmosphere
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I feel bad for small oil, just a mom and pop industry being attacked by big science and big tech
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

Antifar posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

Think about all the factories and vehicles that use fossil fuels. You could fix that I guess by making every factory and vehicle in the world run on renewable energy, but that isn't feasible

Less feasible than the world becoming unlivable?

If you want to see how far away we are from clean renewable energy being the majority, let alone the only energy used, try driving in Los Angeles

What a vacuous and utterly worthless post.

Don't you see the point?

California has done so much to promote environmemtalism, and yet every single day in one city (or metro area) in the world, millions of cars are just sitting there spewing out carbon dioxide and other pollutants.

Switching to an electric vehicle is not feasible for most people right now for various reasons. Electric vehicles aren't that plentiful or good right now, they aren't affordable, people will want to drive classic cars, people like manual transmission, people aren't going to feel motivated to switch, and some people will just refuse to switch.

And then you add all the factories around the world who simply won't switch to clean renewable energy until it no longer benefits them financially to use fossil fuels.
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oil companies are not going to give up oil without a fight, the best american made car is literally the tesla

most people falsely think electric/wind/solar is too weak
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You literally ignored my point about solar.
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PanzerElite posted...

Anything that doesn't involve government regulation I'm okay with.

Then do something yourself.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

You literally ignored my point about solar.

No I didn't. Is solar the most financially beneficial fuel right now? If it was, every factory would use it and there would be no need to use fossil fuels.
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why spend billions on new technology when you're making billions on old technology

the heads of these companies know they won't be dealing with climate change, these companies KNEW about climate change before the general public

this is why new companies are all using new technologies
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Companies aren't evil beings though... they are just large organizations of people. And while Oil companies for example obviously wouldn't want to switch to renewable energy, it doesn't make sense why a manufacturing company wouldn't want to switch... if it made sense financially. Which is really the issue here.

Companies are also always changing leadership. A CEO now doesn't care how a company made its money before, they care about making money now and in the future
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Companies aren't evil beings though... they are just large organizations of people. And while Oil companies for example obviously wouldn't want to switch to renewable energy, it doesn't make sense why a manufacturing company wouldn't want to switch... if it made sense financially. Which is really the issue here.

Companies are also always changing leadership. CEOs now don't care how a company made its money before, they care about making money now and in the future
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wtf bro. Do you actually want to discuss this or just throw out insults?
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I mean environmental policies benefit us in other ways, and possibly they could make the world livable until say 2200 instead of 2100

But the idea of "reversing climate change" seems fake IMO

Have you heard about terraforming? It's a hypothetical idea of changing planets so they can be lived on. Like going to mars and altering it so we can live in there.

If it's theoretically possible to do that on mars, it should be way easier to reverse climate change on our own earth.
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YoungMutual posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

I mean environmental policies benefit us in other ways, and possibly they could make the world livable until say 2200 instead of 2100

But the idea of "reversing climate change" seems fake IMO

Have you heard about terraforming? It's a hypothetical idea of changing planets so they can be lived on. Like going to mars and altering it so we can live in there.

If it's theoretically possible to do that on mars, it should be way easier to reverse climate change on our own earth.

Is that possible though? I don't know how it would be with today's technology. We literally haven't even stepped foot on Mars yet.
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No, not with today's technology, but maybe in the future.

But if it can be done to mars, it should be easier to do that to earth.

I think ideas on reversing (not just stopping or slowing) climate change are already around too.
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YoungMutual posted...

I think ideas on reversing (not just stopping or slowing) climate change are already around too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant

Questionmarktarius posted...

YoungMutual posted...

I think ideas on reversing (not just stopping or slowing) climate change are already around too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant

lmfao
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@FLUFFYGERM

You said that the trend will continue with renewable fuels becoming more financially viable. What if at some time in the future, solar and wind are the best fuels in the world, better and less expensive than any fuel today... but it is too late by then to stop or reverse climate change?

That's the point of this topic
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Damn_Underscore posted...

I mean environmental policies benefit us in other ways, and possibly they could make the world livable until say 2200 instead of 2100

But the idea of "reversing climate change" seems fake IMO

Reversing climate change by cutting emissions is downright impossible. But that doesn't mean there aren't other ways, like negative emissions technology that can actually remove carbon gas from the air.

It won't be too late because we are also developing carbon reclamation technology. Climate change's days are numbered.

It won't be but another decade before we go back to being horrified of superbugs and nuclear warfare as the real threats to mankind.
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Honestly our only real chance is carbon sequestration but we're too dumb to put effort into that.

Even if we went 100% carbon neutral this moment we're still in for some bad times.
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