Current Events > "Westworld is the new Lost"

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" the island is special and mysterious, so many things here "

* after the finale airs and people are pissed *

" guys, the show is about the characters, not the island. "

thats what happens when you have people like abrams not knowing what to do with a good premise and pulls crap out of their asses while going along.
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westworld is actually good though
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Theres a few commonalities between the two. For example, Ive never watched through either of them & I probably never will.
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prince_leo posted...

westworld is actually good though

Lost was good, too
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prince_leo posted...

westworld is actually good though

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@boxington

Lost was only really good season 1, season 2 is when things started getting stupid.
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Westworld season 2 has been pretty damn stupid tbh
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@boxington

Lost was only really good season 1, season 2 is when things started getting stupid.

I think that things might have got more "out there", but I don't think that it got stupid
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I like Westworld, but I'm with the people that say season 2 has been pretty stupid.

I want to believe they're building up to some major twist though in the finale.
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I feel like people who don't like season 2 of Westworld are watching the show for the wrong reasons.
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I haven't watched any of season 2 and I feel it was the right decision
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Is season 2 finished yet?
I intend to wait until it's all out and then watch it all over a weekend
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ROBANN_88 posted...

Is season 2 finished yet?
I intend to wait until it's all out and then watch it all over a weekend

We just had episode 8
So two more weeks and you can binge it
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season 2 has been ok but it could be better. i'm hoping this direction they're taking has a good payoff cause it's kinda meh. it's not terrible or anything, it's just not really living up to season 1 imo
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s2 is dope. idk what yall are expecting
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So I just watched the last episode of season 1 with someone when we thought it was episode 1. Is there still a point in watching all the others?
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Delos has phoned it in for decades. They try to appear as though they're competent but they're really not
They all do the bare minimum and pass the buck on to someone else
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

50Blessings posted...

I like Westworld, but I'm with the people that say season 2 has been pretty stupid.

I want to believe they're building up to some major twist though in the finale.

I feel that those not enjoying it typically are sexists or are unable to keep up with the plot. An example of the latter is how another host wandered the facility in the last episode uninpeded. Ppl were like, "Bbbut cameras and staff!" I'm sorry, but I think Ford knows how to plan for shift changes and loop video.

Except ford wasn't aware of him until AFTER that scene...

Edit: "It's a tv show" isn't an excuse for lazy writing.
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prince_leo posted...

Delos has phoned it in for decades. They try to appear as though they're competent but they're really not
They all do the bare minimum and pass the buck on to someone else

most realistic part of the show then
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lost was way better tbh
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

I'm guessing you missed my comment about shift changes being a coincidence and bottlenecked security, then. Ford isn't in complete control, but he has some. Regardless to either scenario, there are plausible answers for it. Thinking too hard about abstract concepts will probably make a viewer either more surprised or frustrated because they wanted to be right about their theory.

It's just a tv show may not be an excuse for poor righting, but it's a great excuse for enjoying art on its merits and not the ones it lacks. This attitude also helps to live a happier life.

My edit was mostly in reference to that. There are TONS of inconsistencies this season, and if that's the only thing you noticed I don't know what to say. I guess I'm just glad you're enjoying it.
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idk if we should complain about inconsistencies until the season is over
remember last season with the reveal about two timelines and how there had been inconsistencies? any and all inconsistencies can still be resolved in two episodes
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Coo.

I mean, I consider everything - not just the writing - for everything. To each their own though, certainly.

I mean, I'm still enjoying it too just not as much as last season but I'm thinking there was probably just as much wrong with last season and I don't remember it.
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The Walking Dead is way more similar to Lost than Westworld is -- at least it was until recently where Walking Dead has lost its way more than Lost ever did.

For a long time, though, the similarities were really clear... band of strangers must band together against overwhelming odds in a survival setting, lots of twists and turns, even direct parallels like Daryl and Sawyer, etc.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@boxington

Lost was only really good season 1, season 2 is when things started getting stupid.

Not really, it was good for a. Few seasons. Then the combination of the writers strike and ABC not wanting to let them have a finite end and milk extra seasons made it go to far off.
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LOST had zero shogun fight sequences, therefore it is instantly an inferior show.
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Jagr_68 posted...

LOST had zero shogun fight sequences, therefore it is instantly an inferior show.

Shogun World is such a jump the shark moment for West World and pretty fucking awful over all IMO

It just so happens that it just re-creates the scenes from West World, and everyone has a doppelganger, and even though every other parks host went crazy, the ones in Shogun World are just malfunctioning, and even though the dude cuts their ears off so she can't give them commands, they still follow his commands, and even though they have a chinese dude, they use a white dude as the chinese emissary, and even though she can control people through vocal commands, she gives up Hector, Armistice and Musashi instead of just ordering everyone to kill themselves, and even though Meave now cares about people, she ruthlessly has everyone kill themselves instead of just working for her.

But hey, they had a cool sword fight.

Posts like yours show that the people who complain just don't watch the show.

Spoilers for the Shogun arc, obviously


It's not a coincidence that the Shogunworld copies Westworld, that's the point. The writers have hammered it in our faces that the company is all about the immortality stuff and that the park is a low priority. This is just another example of where the park cuts costs, by repeating many characters all over the place.
Specifically, the scene it recreates is from when Sizemore has to rush to change things because of Ford.

Not every host is malfunctioning. Some hosts have changed such as Maeve and Doloros, others are remembering their "other" lives, but the majority are going about their lives as if they were real (not all on their loops, depending on how often they reset). Shogunworld is not unique in that regard, it's just that everything started in Westworld so it has the worst effects.

The guests were killed by the hosts, we saw that as they were being walked into the town at the beginning. Remember, Shogunworld is considered to be the most hardcore park, so it's easy to believe the guests who were there failed to escape.

Maeve killing the people was a life and death situation every time. Until she learned to control it, it was always a reaction and not a controlled action. Easy to accept why it went the way they did.

I'll give you the ears thing though, that was wtf.

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the problem is its convoluted and bernards time line jumps have just become tedious instead of entertaining.
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spudger posted...

the problem is its convoluted and bernards time line jumps have just become tedious instead of entertaining.

There are only two timelines this season, and Bernard's skipping around has been a very minor issue if at all.
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It's not a coincidence that the Shogunworld copies Westworld, that's the point. The writers have hammered it in our faces that the company is all about the immortality stuff and that the park is a low priority. This is just another example of where the park cuts costs, by repeating many characters all over the place.
Specifically, the scene it recreates is from when Sizemore has to rush to change things because of Ford.

Yeah, it still feels very lazy.

Not every host is malfunctioning. Some hosts have changed such as Maeve and Doloros, others are remembering their "other" lives, but the majority are going about their lives as if they were real (not all on their loops, depending on how often they reset). Shogunworld is not unique in that regard, it's just that everything started in Westworld so it has the worst effects.

This is where the inconsistencies come. They really don't show the majority of hosts staying on their loops, they show most hosts going around and killing people indiscriminately. You could argue this happens the most in West World because of Doloros, but that doesn't explain why the hosts in The Raj went rogue. But if they went rogue it implies that all hosts are going off, but in Shogun World, they are apparently still following their loops for some reason outside the bad guy who is malfunctioning and the other two because they apparently meet Maeve. .

The guests were killed by the hosts, we saw that as they were being walked into the town at the beginning. Remember, Shogunworld is considered to be the most hardcore park, so it's easy to believe the guests who were there failed to escape.

Where did we see that? The only people shown dead were Security guys in the forest after that scene, in the scene where they walk into the town there are absolutely no guests there dead OR alive.

Maeve killing the people was a life and death situation every time. Until she learned to control it, it was always a reaction and not a controlled action. Easy to accept why it went the way they did.

Except the second she learned to control it she literally had an entire army off themselves off screen so....

westworld is so much better
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

This is where the inconsistencies come. They really don't show the majority of hosts staying on their loops, they show most hosts going around and killing people indiscriminately. You could argue this happens the most in West World because of Doloros, but that doesn't explain why the hosts in The Raj went rogue. But if they went Rogue it implies that all hosts are going off, but in Shogun World, they are apparently still following their loops for some reason.

The Confederados were just doing their thing until Dolores hijacked them.
New!Clementine was still at the Mariposa trying to sell her services.
The gang in Escalante was just trying to get more weapons before the Man in Black got rid of them.
Lawrence is awake per Maeve, but the rest of his family wasn't and just went along with their drive of allegiance to the man who saved their town.
etc. Just off the top of my head that we saw.

The amount of awoken hosts are the minority.

The reveries update allowed them to access their memories from when they had been killed, raped, and abused from guests over ~30 years.
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If the amount of hosts going rogue is a minority, doesn't that just cause the fact that they are having such a hard time combating them to make even less sense?

Also, Preston Jacobs has been doing a pretty thorough showing of all the problems with both Season 1 and 2 right now. I'm kind of convinced most of the plot holes people "notice" are actually from watching his videos.
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AlecSkorpio posted...

If the amount of hosts going rogue is a minority, doesn't that just cause the fact that they are having such a hard time combating them to make even less sense?

Not really. Just because they're going about their loops doesn't mean they can't still be a bitch to deal with. They're not just gonna roll over just because security popped up, they have self-preservation and can fight back even without realizing their world is a lie.

Like, Dolores' major upset with Teddy was caused in part due to his inability to become awake, among his drives of course,
And, to be fair, the large scale fights is one of the more unbelievable parts of the story. I assume the company doesn't want to draw attention to the problem so they're sending in covert mercs without proper equipment.
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I feel like Youngster_Joey made a topic with those same complaints after that episode where I pointed out the same flaws in his argument.
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