Current Events > Why is Polygamy illegal?

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What if all parties involved are ok with it?
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Because many argue that marriage is a religious institution rather than what it really is, which is a contract between consenting adults.
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It all has to do with the history and development of marriage.

Though, to be honest, I could see marriage as a concept being tossed aside by later generations before polygamy becomes accepted.

There's basically no reason to formalize a tax system where polygamous marriage works in the unrestricted setting people imagine.

And once you aren't talking legally, there's nothing really stopping you from polygamy right now.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Because many argue that marriage is a religious institution rather than what it really is, which is a contract between consenting adults.

Anteaterking posted...

There's basically no reason to formalize a tax system where polygamous marriage works in the unrestricted setting people imagine.

And once you aren't talking legally, there's nothing really stopping you from polygamy right now.

There really isn't any logical reason other than religious objections or personal disdain for somebody who wants to live a different life style.

As long as all parties of a Polygamous marriage signs on the dotted line for the marriage certificate, I don't see any issues with Polygamy.

If somebody wants to have a Harem or Reverse Harem; I really don't see the issue with it as long as it's "CONSENSUAL amongst all parties involved".

As far as Taxes, we can do joint filing by dividing the married bracket by 2 and multiplying it by number of people within the polygamous marriage for joint filing.
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to give ugly people a better chance to find a significant other
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It has to do with government. I dont think government has any business saying who can and cannot get married. I would support removing all tax benefits if they got out of marriage

In a modern-day context, polygamy is also problematic because pretty much every "major" implementation is very patriarchal.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Because many argue that marriage is a religious institution rather than what it really is, which is a contract between consenting adults.

But it is a religious institution.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

As long as all parties of a Polygamous marriage signs on the dotted line for the marriage certificate, I don't see any issues with Polygamy.

So are you requiring that everyone in a polygamous marriage be married to each other? That's certainly something you can do, but note that it won't satisfy everyone's requirements for polygamy.

If someone has two wives and they become braindead, which one gets the say in whether they terminate?

What is the benefit to the government in making polygamy legal? Why don't we see more social polygamy?
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The point of marriage is to bring two people together. :v Not a crowd. You add a third person and it gets too confusing.
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Aren't you a hypocrite if you don't support polygamy?

PanzerElite posted...

Aren't you a hypocrite if you don't support polygamy?

How?
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Marriage, from a legal standpoint, is a financial agreement. Its just much more complicated to work out the legal details with more than one partner.

Im sure someone could work out all the fine print but itd be pretty complicated and people dont seem very motivated so...
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Because if it was legal, vegy would have literally all da cute white chicks and dere wouldn't be any left for da rest of us tbh
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Asherlee10 posted...

Abyssea posted...

The point of marriage is to bring two people together. :v Not a crowd. You add a third person and it gets too confusing.

Are you Ophelia's alt?

No, I had an account here years ago, but it wasn't that and it was before the gamestop merger. I know my name had Wing something in it though.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Abyssea posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Abyssea posted...

The point of marriage is to bring two people together. :v Not a crowd. You add a third person and it gets too confusing.

Are you Ophelia's alt?

No, I had an account here years ago, but it wasn't that and it was before the gamestop merger. I know my name had Wing something in it though.

What made you come back to CE?

You just type a lot like Ophelia.

i started using gamefaqs to try and figure out xenoblade 2 and figured i'd make an account. :o was surprised this place was still around
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Too complicated and problematic for Uncle Sam.
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My understanding is that historical context has proven it to be a system ripe for abuse
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eston posted...

My understanding is that historical context has proven it to be a system ripe for abuse

To be fair, I don't think we've ever seen it implemented outside of the context of patriarchy.
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Because Republicans don't want government in our lives, until they do. And Democrats and just full of shit snake oil salesmen. There I summed up American politics for you.
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Because it complicates inheritance and tax laws.
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Tbf, my guess is most polygamy is abusive in nature.
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Don't know.

Marriage was always more of a business deal.
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Asherlee10 posted...

lilJoe457 posted...

Because Republicans don't want government in our lives, until they do. And Democrats and just full of shit snake oil salesmen. There I summed up American politics for you.

Did you post this in the right topic?

lol I've posted stuff in the wrong topic before. Had accidentally clicked on a different than I intended to while on active topics list and replied to a post in context of the topic I meant to click on, not realizing it was the wrong one. It went unnoticed even though I edited the post to say that I posted in the wrong topic
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Anteaterking posted...

So are you requiring that everyone in a polygamous marriage be married to each other?

They don't have to be married to each other, but they have to be in understanding that Person A is marrying Person C while Person B is still married to Person A and is in legal understanding and acceptance of said legal marriage arrangement / change to arrangement.

That's certainly something you can do, but note that it won't satisfy everyone's requirements for polygamy.

How won't it if everybody is consensual about said legal marriage arrangements

If someone has two wives and they become brain-dead, which one gets the say in whether they terminate?

It needs to be a Unanimous Decision, otherwise nothing happens until a Unanimous Decision has occurred, basically the wives must discuss and figure it out amongst themselves.

What is the benefit to the government in making polygamy legal?

More social freedoms in society that isn't based on traditional Monogamous Relationships / Marriages. Also with more people in relationships, if one marriage goes bad, they always have a fallback marriage. Lots of people commit suicide because their marriages goes down the drain. I've seen it all too often. With Polygamous Marriages, they'll be more inclined to live.

Why don't we see more social polygamy?

Modern Monogamy Laws predicated by current & past Cultural norms. We do see social polygamy amongst those who are "Playas". But they can't get married usually due to how the law works or their current relationship status is complicated. People also have mistresses / secret lovers all the time. If they can have a pre-determined Polygamy ready marriage, things would work out better instead of more divorces. People can go into marriages knowing that they are in a potentially polygamous relationships. Less Unnecessary conflict and more happy love making amongst folks.
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Because the right believe that they can force Christianity down our throats and the left thinks that gay marriage is the end all be all of humanity.

And people in general are generally stupid and like sucking that big federal dick.

Anyone with half a brain realizes the government has no business being involved in marriage and people could easily make personal contracts for things that normally goes to a spouse.
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A polygamous relationship is fine tbh. When it comes to taxes is another issue though
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

They don't have to be married to each other, but they have to be in understanding that Person A is marrying Person C while Person B is still married to Person A and is in legal understanding and acceptance of said legal marriage arrangement / change to arrangement.

So essentially if I have a group of 5 people, there are up to 32 marriages between them? You don't see how allowing any people within that group to be married or not be married leads to an unnecessarily complicated system?
KamenRiderBlade posted...

How won't it if everybody is consensual about said legal marriage arrangements

That statement was if you said "yes" to the first question.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

It needs to be a Unanimous Decision, otherwise nothing happens until a Unanimous Decision has occurred, basically the wives must discuss and figure it out amongst themselves.

So in general the default is someone is kept alive if even one person who is married to them wants them still alive? What about life and death decisions that have to be made in a timely fashion (like whether to undergo a surgery when the partner is unconscious,etc.)

KamenRiderBlade posted...

More social freedoms in society that isn't based on traditional Monogamous Relationships / Marriages. Also with more people in relationships, if one marriage goes bad, they always have a fallback marriage. Lots of people commit suicide because their marriages goes down the drain. I've seen it all too often. With Polygamous Marriages, they'll be more inclined to live.

You already have social freedom to be monogamous. The only legal things you get are benefits such as taxes and spousal benefits, which we've already indicated would be a disaster bureaucratically. I'm not going to entertain the "suicidal marriage" situation, because those are the same types of people who wouldn't want to share their wife with another husband. You're assuming that they're the ones ending up with multiple wives, instead of the possibility of being in a cluster with multiple husbands.

How do you deal with divorce in one of these convoluted messes?

I don't think you'll be able to come up with a benefit to someone who practices polyamory that simultaneously something that the government would want to incentivize tax wise or otherwise. Throw in addition to that the number of historically abusive uses of polygamy, and I think there's little reason to legalize it.

Again, you can legally be as polyamorous as you wish. Also polygamy vs monogamy is a completely social construct, not a genetic one, so there's no real basis for making someone who wants to practice polygamy a protected class.
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Anteaterking posted...

So essentially if I have a group of 5 people, there are up to 32 marriages between them? You don't see how allowing any people within that group to be married or not be married leads to an unnecessarily complicated system?

Oh well, as long as everybody signs on the dotted line, I couldn't care less. That's between those 5 folks.

Anteaterking posted...

So in general the default is someone is kept alive if even one person who is married to them wants them still alive? What about life and death decisions that have to be made in a timely fashion (like whether to undergo a surgery when the partner is unconscious,etc.)

Same difference, figure it out amongst themselves. Come to a Unanimous agreement based on what the circumstances / potential outcomes are.

Anteaterking posted...

You already have social freedom to be monogamous. The only legal things you get are benefits such as taxes and spousal benefits, which we've already indicated would be a disaster bureaucratically. I'm not going to entertain the "suicidal marriage" situation, because those are the same types of people who wouldn't want to share their wife with another husband. You're assuming that they're the ones ending up with multiple wives, instead of the possibility of being in a cluster with multiple husbands.

How do you deal with divorce in one of these convoluted messes?

I don't think you'll be able to come up with a benefit to someone who practices polyamory that simultaneously something that the government would want to incentivize tax wise or otherwise. Throw in addition to that the number of historically abusive uses of polygamy, and I think there's little reason to legalize it.

Again, you can legally be as polyamorous as you wish. Also polygamy vs monogamy is a completely social construct, not a genetic one, so there's no real basis for making someone who wants to practice polygamy a protected class.

I've assumed Males with Multiple Wives &/or Potentially Husbands as well.
Same with Wives with Multiple Husbands &/or Potentially Wives as well.
Everybody who enters into a polygamous marriage MUST sign a Pre-Nuptial Agreement where property is split based on original ownership / who paid for it. Sharing of financial accounts is Disallowed for potential confusion. Ownership is based strictly on who paid for what and what % of it. So if they want to co-own something, they each fork out % money to own said item.
This way when a divorce happens, we know how much is owned by whom. Nobody gets to take % of other persons earnings or properties.
Alimony is based on who gets Custody of Child based on whom the Child wants to end up with.
Child gets to make decision based on if they are old enough to understand what's going on.
If Child isn't old enough, we base the decision based on who has the most stable / best financial circumstances / agree-ability between party members.

The Tax situation will be based off of joint filing of traditional monogamous couples divided by 2, then resultant is multiplied by number of people in said Polygamous Marriage.

If you're being abused in a Polygamous Marriage, LEAVE said MARRIAGE. It's no different from a Monogamous Marriage. LEAVE said MARRIAGE.

Monogamous Marriage is a "Social Construct" that is protected, so I see no difference in a Polygamous Marriage.
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