Current Events > Is suicide selfish when you have many people who love you?

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Is it?
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Get a job.
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Close your account
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chill02 posted...

Close your job

SSBBSB posted...

Get an account.

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Its actually the most selfless act there is. Bonus points if you donate your body.
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Isn't it selfish to force someone to live because you'll be sad to see them die?

If you have kids, especially young ones, it's a very undeniably selfish act
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Short answer? Yes.

Long answer? No.
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it can be, but it can also be selfish of people to demand them to not commit suicide
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It's not selfish, it's inconsiderate
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People who claim that committing suicide is "selfish" don't understand the mentality that causes suicide.
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brotrrwinner posted...

It's not selfish, it's inconsiderate

"Live your pitiful sorry life that you're tired of living so you can consider the others."

Sorry but not everyone lives in a bubble and even those who don't have bad lives also suffer from chemicals. You can't make people live because you want them to.

I was lucky enough to have a daughter and that kept me from making that choice but I think she weren't around, if I was alone again, I couldn't handle that.

@DK9292 posted...

People who claim that committing suicide is "selfish" don't understand the mentality that causes suicide.

This is false. I've been plenty depressed myself and have thought about suicide although I've never considered doing it.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

@DK9292 posted...

People who claim that committing suicide is "selfish" don't understand the mentality that causes suicide.

This is false. I've been plenty depressed myself and have thought about suicide although I've never considered doing it.

So because you had suicide thoughts but didn't act on them makes you able to understand those who did, got it
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

@DK9292 posted...

People who claim that committing suicide is "selfish" don't understand the mentality that causes suicide.

This is false. I've been plenty depressed myself and have thought about suicide although I've never considered doing it.

>_> You know there are not only levels but people react to depression differently.

Guys, why are you responding to Scotty? Why?
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DK9292 posted...

Guys, why are you responding to Scotty? Why?

because....

Scotty doesn't know that Fiona and me do it in his van every Sunday

@brotrrwinner posted...

So because you had suicide thoughts but didn't act on them makes you able to understand those who did

To a good enough extent. You don't have to commit suicide to understand a suicidal mentality.

dameon_reaper posted...

>_> You know there are not only levels but people react to depression differently.

And when you have kids, you should absolutely never react to depression by committing suicide. It's completely selfish, as you're screwing the lives of your kids.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

And when you have kids, you should absolutely never react to depression by committing suicide. It's completely selfish.

Imagine not having the understanding that people aren't thinking about that when it does happen. You think Chester Bennington thought about his children? Maybe he did. Maybe it was something that came to him but his thoughts progressively got worse. Choosing death is hard and people say they're cowards for it but its one of those things that are final and you can't take it back.

Stop treating it like its just something as simple as saying "No"

stop responding to Scotty
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dameon_reaper posted...

Imagine not having the understanding that people aren't thinking about that when it does happen.

They should be thinking about their family and use those thoughts not to commit suicide.

dameon_reaper posted...

Choosing death is hard and people say they're cowards for it but its one of those things that are final and you can't take it back.

You should never commit suicide.

dameon_reaper posted...

Stop treating it like its just something as simple as saying "No"

No one is forced to commit suicide. It is certainly possible for a suicidal person to have the willpower not to commit suicide.

Should they be demonized for it? No. But they can certainly prevent it and they should never do it, especially when they have kids.
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chill02 posted...

stop responding to Scotty

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It's selfish to those left behind because they suffer the loss.

But you have to look at it from a different angle.
Suicide is not always about being depressed.
It's about the feeling of hopelessness.
Hopelessness is a lot more than being depressed or sad.
It's about having no options, this is as good as it gets and it's horrible, others are better off without me, I'm doing people a favor by non existence, I won't be missed, it'll hurt others but they'll move on and be better off...
Some do it because they think that others will be better off.
In their minds, it's not selfish but a harsh selflessness that leads them to do it.
Of course it's not how others feel but they don't know that.

Where I live, it's common to see these flower memorials where someone has been killed in a auto accident.
They're all over the place and people maintain them for years.
I've frequently wondered if they paid that much attention to the person when they were alive?
It's easy to do in an absence.
This conversation, is suicide selfish, comes up when there is a high profile suicide or a close suicide to us.
This conversation, after the fact, is no different than the street memorials all over the place.
We hurt and want to do something to soothe our loss. Sometimes, we get to lay flowers at the site of the accident and maintain it, other times we question and judge out of pain and frustration.
Maybe we do this out of guilt? a little feeling of I should've/could've done more when they were alive so I'll do this so that I don't feel as bad?
"They left me behind. They were selfish!"
Maybe if we extended ourselves a little more, paid attention, a little more, been a little less selfish with our time, maybe they wouldn't have been selfish by ending their time?
Maybe they wouldn't have reached the point where they felt that they were doing us a favor by leaving us?
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It is selfish if other people depend on you.

If you're a 60 year old man who has grown up kids who no longer are needing to be supported by you, and his partner is no longer in the picture... I mean, it is awful for those who have to live without him, but he's not hanging out people to dry who depend on his being around, ya know?
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Yes, it is. But then again, it's no one else's business what anyone does with their own life/body/whatever.

Also,
SSBBSB posted...

Get a job.

chill02 posted...

Close your account

Get an account

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suicide is a very personal decision to make, and as long as the person isn't deluded or confused, I don't think it's selfish at all
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Post #2 was the kick and post #3 was the stunner
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it's only selfish if you have someone that loves you.

if no one loves you, then who cares. literally.
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no but it makes you a fucking pussy
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MarshallStack posted...

no but it makes you a fucking pussy

what does that matter if you make yourself dead tbh
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