Current Events > All Icelanders To Be Organ Donors By Default- State owns you

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How else would our Reptilian overlords harvest organs to live forever?
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alt_no_1_loves posted...

100% support this policy. Once you're dead, you don't need your organs. Might as well help the living.

What if I'm a pharoah
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alt_no_1_loves posted...

100% support this policy. Once you're dead, you don't need your organs. Might as well help the living.

Being an organ donor makes you a target. I'm almost certain that there exists a criminal organization that targets registered organ donors for people with enough power and wealth. If one of the wealthy elites like Obama or George Soros, were to need an organ they could just place a call and some innocent person who registered as an organ donor would find themselves in a fatal "accident" so that their organs could be conveniently harvested for the buyer.
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My body, my choice.

If i lived in Iceland I'd get myself cancer or something right before i died just to spite these fucking thieves.
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This should be the norm. You can still opt out
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eston posted...

spudger posted...

i cant see any reason to not be a donor

its selfish

This tbqh

And the fact that you can opt out means TC's "the state owns you" premise is basically bullshit

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good
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GiftedACIII posted...

This should be the norm. You can still opt out

By law after death, you have to donate half of everything you own to a charity that helps the poor and sick. You can choose to opt out if you want, but otherwise you will donate half.

You can make the same argument as for organ donation, as in it is good for everyone and you don't benefit from the money anyway after your death. Okay your kids would not get as much, but you are kind of selfish if you put them before all the poor and homeless right?

shockthemonkey posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

This should be the norm. You can still opt out

By law after death, you have to donate half of everything you own to a charity that helps the poor and sick. You can choose to opt out if you want, but otherwise you will donate half.

You can make the same argument as for organ donation, as in it is good for everyone and you don't benefit from the money anyway after your death. Okay your kids would not get as much, but you are kind of selfish if you put them before all the poor and homeless right?

...were your kids planning to harvest your organs? What the fuck?

The governments control over it's people should have a limit. Because honestly what is next? Mandatory blood donations if you happen to have a certain blood type? Mandatory stem cell donations? Also you only really need one kidney and lung so guess you have to give those up to.

I'd be cool with this if I didn't straight up know EMTs that base their rescue efforts on how the person got hurt and if they're an OD.
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DaidaHibana posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

This should be the norm. You can still opt out

By law after death, you have to donate half of everything you own to a charity that helps the poor and sick. You can choose to opt out if you want, but otherwise you will donate half.

You can make the same argument as for organ donation, as in it is good for everyone and you don't benefit from the money anyway after your death. Okay your kids would not get as much, but you are kind of selfish if you put them before all the poor and homeless right?

100% inheritance tax would be ideal, but I don't see how that's in any way relevant
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Gimmick posted...

I'd be cool with this if I didn't straight up know EMTs that base their rescue efforts on how the person got hurt and if they're an OD.

Exactly, thats how it works, you are left to die to be harvested.

DaidaHibana posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

This should be the norm. You can still opt out

By law after death, you have to donate half of everything you own to a charity that helps the poor and sick. You can choose to opt out if you want, but otherwise you will donate half.

You can make the same argument as for organ donation, as in it is good for everyone and you don't benefit from the money anyway after your death. Okay your kids would not get as much, but you are kind of selfish if you put them before all the poor and homeless right?

...were your kids planning to harvest your organs? What the fuck?

The governments control over it's people should have a limit. Because honestly what is next? Mandatory blood donations if you happen to have a certain blood type? Mandatory stem cell donations? Also you only really need one kidney and lung so guess you have to give those up to.

you don't need them at all once you're dead
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averagejoel posted...

100% inheritance tax would be ideal

oh boy
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DaidaHibana posted...

Gimmick posted...

I'd be cool with this if I didn't straight up know EMTs that base their rescue efforts on how the person got hurt and if they're an OD.

Exactly, thats how it works, you are left to die to be harvested.

http://www.newsweek.com/organ-trafficking-no-myth-78079
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My dad is a doctor and he took himself off the donor list after 1 too many times of witnessing the typical situation of people who desperately need an organ transplant getting pushed down the list to make way for some bigwig who gets high priority because he brings in the money. When you see how people misuse others generosity, it tends to leave you jaded and too disgusted to still be willing to throw your hat in the ring.
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Sad_Face posted...

My dad is a doctor and he took himself off the donor list after 1 too many times of witnessing the typical situation of people who desperately need an organ transplant getting pushed down the list to make way for some bigwig who gets high priority because he brings in the money. When you see how people misuse others generosity, it tends to leave you jaded and too disgusted to still be willing to throw your hat in the ring.

assuming you live in the US, that seems like a problem with private healthcare rather than with organ donation. but yeah, I'd definitely be sketched out if my organs were going to a for-profit organization
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The state already owns your body. When your loved one dies their body will get taken away by strangers.

You have to have confidence that theyll be delicate & respectful because theyre gonna take the body away from your sight and things will be done to it.

At the very least it will be cut open, drained of blood, and frozen. Then it may get burnt or dressed for burial (closest relative or friend may get invited to help preparation).

If you want to make sure that no organs were taken then youre gonna have to pay for an independent autopsy.
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shockthemonkey posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

This should be the norm. You can still opt out

By law after death, you have to donate half of everything you own to a charity that helps the poor and sick. You can choose to opt out if you want, but otherwise you will donate half.

You can make the same argument as for organ donation, as in it is good for everyone and you don't benefit from the money anyway after your death. Okay your kids would not get as much, but you are kind of selfish if you put them before all the poor and homeless right?

...were your kids planning to harvest your organs? What the fuck?

The governments control over it's people should have a limit. Because honestly what is next? Mandatory blood donations if you happen to have a certain blood type? Mandatory stem cell donations? Also you only really need one kidney and lung so guess you have to give those up to.

So are your kids going to harvest your organs or not?

Stupid question, I am not a person who would have any kid, dont want to waste my money/time/effort on them, once we are dead all over, why would anyone waste their precious life having kids?

Ok so they've moved to an opt-out system rather than an opt-in system

Like pretty much all forward thinking countries have done already and is working fantastically well

What is it the right like to call "controversies" like this, a nothingburger?
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Being an organ donor is bad idea. There are lots of doctors who treat medicine like a game and will let you die if they think your organs can save multiple people.

Everyone please realize: there are people who take DE seriously
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Ok so let me get this straight

TC's issue isn't that he can't opt out (because he can, he knows he can),

His issue is that he's not very good at filling out forms
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

averagejoel posted...

100% inheritance tax would be ideal

oh boy

He's not wrong.
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IloveJesus posted...

EndOfDiscOne posted...

averagejoel posted...

100% inheritance tax would be ideal

oh boy

He's not wrong.

Thats your endgame, forced donor is just the first step it seems

DaidaHibana posted...

From this point forward, all Icelanders will be organ donors by default, unless they specify otherwise.
The concept of the law is fairly simple. All Icelanders will be assumed to be organ donors by default, with two exceptions: if the deceased specified beforehand that they do not want their organs to be removed, or if the deceased said nothing on the matter but their closest relative objects.
Studies conducted in Iceland showed that when asked, people about to die were only willing to donate their organs 60% of the time.

In reality 99% will have no idea that they are donors by defeault and therefore cant opt out, and usually opting out lot of paperwork, so in reality you are owned by state and your body is used as seems fit

There is literally nothing wrong with this. Everyone SHOULD be an organ donor, unless they have medical reasons not to.

OctilIery posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

From this point forward, all Icelanders will be organ donors by default, unless they specify otherwise.
The concept of the law is fairly simple. All Icelanders will be assumed to be organ donors by default, with two exceptions: if the deceased specified beforehand that they do not want their organs to be removed, or if the deceased said nothing on the matter but their closest relative objects.
Studies conducted in Iceland showed that when asked, people about to die were only willing to donate their organs 60% of the time.

In reality 99% will have no idea that they are donors by defeault and therefore cant opt out, and usually opting out lot of paperwork, so in reality you are owned by state and your body is used as seems fit

There is literally nothing wrong with this. Everyone SHOULD be an organ donor, unless they have medical reasons not to.

NO, if you want to be organ donor, opt in, leave normal people alone.

The problem with this wouldn't be people who have died having their organs harvested, it would be people who were critically injured and have a (albeit slim) chance of survival.
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SageHarpuia posted...

The problem with this wouldn't be people who have died having their organs harvested, it would be people who were critically injured and have a (albeit slim) chance of survival.

This is the problem, once you are dead most of your organs useless, your organs has to be harvested alive....

Sad_Face posted...

My dad is a doctor and he took himself off the donor list after 1 too many times of witnessing the typical situation of people who desperately need an organ transplant getting pushed down the list to make way for some bigwig who gets high priority because he brings in the money. When you see how people misuse others generosity, it tends to leave you jaded and too disgusted to still be willing to throw your hat in the ring.

So... in response to bullshit practices of there not being enough organs to go around that the wealthy can push their way in, he choose to not be a donor and further exacerbate that reality?

Okay?
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DaidaHibana posted...

OctilIery posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

From this point forward, all Icelanders will be organ donors by default, unless they specify otherwise.
The concept of the law is fairly simple. All Icelanders will be assumed to be organ donors by default, with two exceptions: if the deceased specified beforehand that they do not want their organs to be removed, or if the deceased said nothing on the matter but their closest relative objects.
Studies conducted in Iceland showed that when asked, people about to die were only willing to donate their organs 60% of the time.

In reality 99% will have no idea that they are donors by defeault and therefore cant opt out, and usually opting out lot of paperwork, so in reality you are owned by state and your body is used as seems fit

There is literally nothing wrong with this. Everyone SHOULD be an organ donor, unless they have medical reasons not to.

NO, if you want to be organ donor, opt in, leave normal people alone.

Nope, it's a good cause and there's no reason not to be one beyond medical concerns.

OctilIery posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

OctilIery posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

From this point forward, all Icelanders will be organ donors by default, unless they specify otherwise.
The concept of the law is fairly simple. All Icelanders will be assumed to be organ donors by default, with two exceptions: if the deceased specified beforehand that they do not want their organs to be removed, or if the deceased said nothing on the matter but their closest relative objects.
Studies conducted in Iceland showed that when asked, people about to die were only willing to donate their organs 60% of the time.

In reality 99% will have no idea that they are donors by defeault and therefore cant opt out, and usually opting out lot of paperwork, so in reality you are owned by state and your body is used as seems fit

There is literally nothing wrong with this. Everyone SHOULD be an organ donor, unless they have medical reasons not to.

NO, if you want to be organ donor, opt in, leave normal people alone.

Nope, it's a good cause and there's no reason not to be one beyond medical concerns.

I dont care about good causes, if you want to harvested opt in, dont drag innocent people into your saving the world delusion.

Because I'm paranoid and believe there is a chance that some medical professionals may let you die to help others.

Furthermore, "her body, her choice"

But not "my body, my choice" in this decision????
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DaidaHibana posted...

innocent people

people who refuse to be organ donors without medical causes are not innocent people.
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Caution999 posted...

Because I'm paranoid and believe there is a chance that some medical professionals may let you die to help others.

Furthermore, "her body, her choice"

But not "my body, my choice" in this decision????

After you die, you don't really own it anymore though. :v your soul has departed it.
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DaidaHibana posted...

OctilIery posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

OctilIery posted...

DaidaHibana posted...

From this point forward, all Icelanders will be organ donors by default, unless they specify otherwise.
The concept of the law is fairly simple. All Icelanders will be assumed to be organ donors by default, with two exceptions: if the deceased specified beforehand that they do not want their organs to be removed, or if the deceased said nothing on the matter but their closest relative objects.
Studies conducted in Iceland showed that when asked, people about to die were only willing to donate their organs 60% of the time.

In reality 99% will have no idea that they are donors by defeault and therefore cant opt out, and usually opting out lot of paperwork, so in reality you are owned by state and your body is used as seems fit

There is literally nothing wrong with this. Everyone SHOULD be an organ donor, unless they have medical reasons not to.

NO, if you want to be organ donor, opt in, leave normal people alone.

Nope, it's a good cause and there's no reason not to be one beyond medical concerns.

I dont care about good causes, if you want to harvested opt in, dont drag innocent people into your saving the world delusion.

It's no delusion, and I'd rather not make innocent people suffer because of your delusions.

Caution999 posted...

Because I'm paranoid and believe there is a chance that some medical professionals may let you die to help others.

Furthermore, "her body, her choice"

But not "my body, my choice" in this decision????

Why do you make up arguments that don't reflect any reality to push a point

Why do you do that
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DaidaHibana posted...

This is the problem, once you are dead most of your organs useless, your organs has to be harvested alive....

That's 100% false.

Cobra1010 posted...

Is it the same as UK where if a doctor thinks you have 50/50% of surviving/dying. They just let you die and then harvest your organs?

The UK doesn't use that system at all.