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Squall28
05/29/18 11:44:02 PM
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Valerie_Jarrett_official_portrait_small.jpg

or more of a jab at her appearance?
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SomeLikeItHoth
05/29/18 11:45:49 PM
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Not at all.
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Fin_Dawg_004
05/29/18 11:48:20 PM
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BLAKUboy
05/29/18 11:48:31 PM
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There is literally no argument against it being intentionally racist.
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Vertania
05/29/18 11:48:49 PM
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You can't just call people "apes" and not expect backlash. Even if it wasn't meant as a race thing, there's a very long and established history of it being a racist term.

That said, I think cancelling the whole show was a huge overreaction.
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Letron_James
05/29/18 11:48:57 PM
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ehhwhatever
05/29/18 11:50:04 PM
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Another topic to dodge.
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Squall28
05/29/18 11:51:18 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
There is literally no argument against it being intentionally racist.


That woman doesn't look black. I think if she flat out said she was white or some other nationality, people will believe it.
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gunplagirl
05/29/18 11:51:38 PM
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Pretty intentional
She's way past old enough and experienced in the show business to know that's racist
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C_Pain
05/29/18 11:52:41 PM
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what if someone actually looks a like a monkey
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Squall28
05/29/18 11:54:03 PM
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C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey


I don't know man. I consider myself very liberal, and I'm not outraged like everyone else. What about all you fellas that kept saying Kassie looked like a horse?
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masterpug53
05/29/18 11:56:50 PM
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If a person in this day and age remains truly oblivious to the fact that you should never even remotely compare black people to monkeys, that person should just go straight back to kindergarten and start over.
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Smashingpmkns
05/29/18 11:58:37 PM
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Squall28 posted...
C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey


I don't know man. I consider myself very liberal, and I'm not outraged like everyone else. What about all you fellas that kept saying Kassie looked like a horse?


There isn't an ongoing history of racists calling white people horses though.
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DifferentialEquation
05/30/18 12:00:22 AM
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No, it's the title of a movie. Is it racist to call someone "Star Wars" or "Jurassic Park"? If not, then it's also not racist to use "Planet of the Apes" as an insult.
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BillWardsPants
05/30/18 12:00:51 AM
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Fun fact:

Roseanne was in car accident when she was 16, which left her with a traumatic brain injury.
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Weezy_Tha_Don
05/30/18 12:03:17 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
No, it's the title of a movie. Is it racist to call someone "Star Wars" or "Jurassic Park"? If not, then it's also not racist to use "Planet of the Apes" as an insult.


knew this was your post before even checking the name
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Squall28
05/30/18 12:03:47 AM
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masterpug53 posted...
If a person in this day and age remains truly oblivious to the fact that you should never even remotely compare black people to monkeys, that person should just go straight back to kindergarten and start over.


Scientists compare humans to monkeys all the damn time. We share 96% of our dna. My parents regularly call children, monkeys because that's just something they do in our culture (Chinese). Like I get why it's not a classy thing to say, but to make the entire crew lose their jobs because of one person's remarks?

Our goddamn President has said much worse, and he still has his job. How about take care of that first?
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chill02
05/30/18 12:04:22 AM
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If you have to ask
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averagejoel
05/30/18 12:06:37 AM
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Squall28 posted...
C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey


I don't know man. I consider myself very liberal, and I'm not outraged like everyone else. What about all you fellas that kept saying Kassie looked like a horse?

believe it or not, this is one of the most Liberal things ever said on this board
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prince_leo
05/30/18 12:07:00 AM
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Squall28 posted...
Our goddamn President has said much worse, and he still has his job. How about take care of that first?

I don't think there are many people who lambaste Roseanne who would disagree with taking Trump out of office, man

anyway, we do not live in a vacuum. everything has context
because black people have been (and still are) compared to monkeys and apes, you don't get a freebie when you call someone that
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Dusk_
05/30/18 12:07:36 AM
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Wait shes black?
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Schwarber
05/30/18 12:08:07 AM
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I mean, if you take her past actions into account it's pretty obvious what her intentions were
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Squall28
05/30/18 12:09:08 AM
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Dusk_ posted...
Wait shes black?


Rofl. See I told you guys. VJ looks like a white woman.
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Dusk_
05/30/18 12:11:06 AM
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Squall28 posted...
Dusk_ posted...
Wait shes black?


Rofl. See I told you guys. VJ looks like a white woman.


Would have guessed Asian.
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CarlGrimes
05/30/18 12:12:57 AM
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Vertania posted...
You can't just call people "apes" and not expect backlash.

But....we are apes. Humans are great apes.
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Schwarber
05/30/18 12:14:33 AM
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Dusk_ posted...
Squall28 posted...
Dusk_ posted...
Wait shes black?


Rofl. See I told you guys. VJ looks like a white woman.


Would have guessed Asian.


Are you blind? That might explain it.

CarlGrimes posted...
Vertania posted...
You can't just call people "apes" and not expect backlash.

But....we are apes. Humans are great apes.



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stoltenberg11
05/30/18 12:16:40 AM
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C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey

this is my thing too. if someone looks like a monkey i wanna be able to say so. just because some racists used it as a racial thing in the past shouldnt preclude me from using it as a way to insult people's appearance
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Ammonitida
05/30/18 12:17:22 AM
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Squall28 posted...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Valerie_Jarrett_official_portrait_small.jpg

or more of a jab at her appearance?

She doesn't even read as black.
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ledbowman
05/30/18 12:18:27 AM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey

this is my thing too. if someone looks like a monkey i wanna be able to say so. just because some racists used it as a racial thing in the past shouldnt preclude me from using it as a way to insult people's appearance

You are free to.
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Antifar
05/30/18 12:19:25 AM
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Can somebody explain to me the importance of Valerie Jarrett to conservatives? I hear far more about her from the right than liberals
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Smashingpmkns
05/30/18 12:19:37 AM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey

this is my thing too. if someone looks like a monkey i wanna be able to say so. just because some racists used it as a racial thing in the past shouldnt preclude me from using it as a way to insult people's appearance


You can do whatever the fuck you want and people still have just as much of a right to criticize what you say.
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Dusk_
05/30/18 12:21:21 AM
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So shes not even black... wtf is all the rage about then?
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BrapEnthusiast
05/30/18 12:21:31 AM
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no, it wasn't racist. she looks white. i've seen some some side by side comparisons of her and planet of the apes characters. she has an odd look and it isn't because of race
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averagejoel
05/30/18 12:26:24 AM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey

this is my thing too. if someone looks like a monkey i wanna be able to say so. just because some racists used it as a racial thing in the past shouldnt preclude me from using it as a way to insult people's appearance

well if you use it to describe a black person, be prepared for someone to say that it's racist. because it is
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BrapEnthusiast
05/30/18 12:29:35 AM
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she's more white than black
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Squall28
05/30/18 12:32:58 AM
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Dusk_ posted...
So shes not even black... wtf is all the rage about then?


People are outraged to just be outraged. Like look at her. I wouldn't be thinking black woman unless someone told me, and even then, I'll think she's a minor mix.
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EverDownward
05/30/18 12:33:42 AM
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No? Humans and primates are closely related.

EDIT: NEVERMIND, I THOUGHT THIS TOPIC WAS ABOUT THE MOVIE, PLANET OF THE APES >___>
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stoltenberg11
05/30/18 12:44:40 AM
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averagejoel posted...
stoltenberg11 posted...
C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey

this is my thing too. if someone looks like a monkey i wanna be able to say so. just because some racists used it as a racial thing in the past shouldnt preclude me from using it as a way to insult people's appearance

well if you use it to describe a black person, be prepared for someone to say that it's racist. because it is

see you're one of those people. "it's automatically racist!" what if the person just looks like a monkey?
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XplodnPnguins92
05/30/18 12:44:55 AM
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she definitely has that og planet of the apes nose.
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DifferentialEquation
05/30/18 1:05:47 AM
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Weezy_Tha_Don posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
No, it's the title of a movie. Is it racist to call someone "Star Wars" or "Jurassic Park"? If not, then it's also not racist to use "Planet of the Apes" as an insult.


knew this was your post before even checking the name


Thank you.
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averagejoel
05/30/18 1:23:32 AM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
averagejoel posted...
stoltenberg11 posted...
C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey

this is my thing too. if someone looks like a monkey i wanna be able to say so. just because some racists used it as a racial thing in the past shouldnt preclude me from using it as a way to insult people's appearance

well if you use it to describe a black person, be prepared for someone to say that it's racist. because it is

see you're one of those people. "it's automatically racist!" what if the person just looks like a monkey?

there's still historical context that can't be separated from the term
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stoltenberg11
05/30/18 1:35:34 AM
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averagejoel posted...
stoltenberg11 posted...
averagejoel posted...
stoltenberg11 posted...
C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey

this is my thing too. if someone looks like a monkey i wanna be able to say so. just because some racists used it as a racial thing in the past shouldnt preclude me from using it as a way to insult people's appearance

well if you use it to describe a black person, be prepared for someone to say that it's racist. because it is

see you're one of those people. "it's automatically racist!" what if the person just looks like a monkey?

there's still historical context that can't be separated from the term

sure it can. you just have to be smart
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TendoDRM
05/30/18 1:38:39 AM
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Of course. It was Roseanne.
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Mr_Biscuit
05/30/18 1:38:52 AM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
averagejoel posted...
stoltenberg11 posted...
averagejoel posted...
stoltenberg11 posted...
C_Pain posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey

this is my thing too. if someone looks like a monkey i wanna be able to say so. just because some racists used it as a racial thing in the past shouldnt preclude me from using it as a way to insult people's appearance

well if you use it to describe a black person, be prepared for someone to say that it's racist. because it is

see you're one of those people. "it's automatically racist!" what if the person just looks like a monkey?

there's still historical context that can't be separated from the term

sure it can. you just have to be smart

Okay. You go be smart and call black people monkeys, then.
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Roshon
05/30/18 1:57:34 AM
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Valerie is obviously mixed, which Roseanne knew, and that is why she tweeted what she did. Definitely racist.
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refmon
05/30/18 2:12:17 AM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
what if someone actually looks a like a monkey

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KStateKing17
05/30/18 2:12:33 AM
#49:


Squall28 posted...
masterpug53 posted...
If a person in this day and age remains truly oblivious to the fact that you should never even remotely compare black people to monkeys, that person should just go straight back to kindergarten and start over.


Scientists compare humans to monkeys all the damn time. We share 96% of our dna. My parents regularly call children, monkeys because that's just something they do in our culture (Chinese). Like I get why it's not a classy thing to say, but to make the entire crew lose their jobs because of one person's remarks?

Our goddamn President has said much worse, and he still has his job. How about take care of that first?

I've also learned that some other areas use that as a term to describe a child's behavior, but that's when you have to consider the context. Just like there's a difference between how negro is pronounced in the Spanish language and how it was in the US, the monkey term has been used as a racist insult and could definitely fit with Roseanne's tweet.
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Darmik
05/30/18 2:15:37 AM
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It's about as blatant as it gets without pulling out racist slurs.

Even if for some reason you want to argue about it being an appearance thing that wasn't the only element of the tweet.
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