Board 8 > Phoenix Wright Mafia Topic Five: The name on this card is very important!

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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 3:41:29 PM
#51:


RogueNoble posted...
I don't understand the scum team that has Deadpool the roleblocker and Alakazam the ??? and decides it's better for Deadpool to die over Zam, Maybbbbbe super powerful jack that has an extra kill and some broken other ability? This is pretending they have a genuine hard-on for bussing and don't want to just vote Chris for some reason.


You seem to know a lot about the identities of people on Prof's lynch.
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Crescent-Moon
05/29/18 3:42:57 PM
#52:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
It's a Scummy post. You look like Scum posting like that.

I don't feel that really addressed Death at all..
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htaeD
05/29/18 3:43:13 PM
#53:


well argued, sir Han
well argued indeed
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Nanahara715
05/29/18 3:43:16 PM
#54:


I think Han should full claim.
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htaeD
05/29/18 3:45:30 PM
#55:


Han, I dont think scum had the chance to make zam into their lynch
whether he was town or not

deadpool (and chris) was ahead too much
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Alakazamtrainer
05/29/18 3:46:41 PM
#56:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
@Alakazamtrainer

I just ran across your posts where you (at the time) said that Han was your only scum read.

1) Do you still think Han is Scum?

2) Why or Why Not?

3) last time you dodged one of my questions by saying you "would wait", which wasn't supposed to be an option. So I'll ask again:

If you were day vig and you had to shoot someone right now who do you shoot?


Screw looking like an baffoon,

1. Yes he still looks scummy.

2. Because he's avoiding questions and not even answering those directed at him, he more content to offer fluffy content and observations then actually play the game.

3. I'd probably dayvig donk, he's not doing anything. He's not even posted in a while... And when he does he just throws shade at me for no reason.
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Forceful_Dragon
05/29/18 3:46:56 PM
#57:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
RogueNoble posted...
I don't understand the scum team that has Deadpool the roleblocker and Alakazam the ??? and decides it's better for Deadpool to die over Zam, Maybbbbbe super powerful jack that has an extra kill and some broken other ability? This is pretending they have a genuine hard-on for bussing and don't want to just vote Chris for some reason.


You seem to know a lot about the identities of people on Prof's lynch.


Also it has been expressed to me most eruditely that "zam wasn't an option" day 1 so it wasn't a case where scum could have chosen to bus zam to save dp.
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foolm0r0n
05/29/18 3:48:48 PM
#58:


Dark Young Link posted...
I was fairly split on Chris and Pool yesterday. I didn't know who I wanted to vote for more, and with my typical accuracy day 1 I didn't feel confident I'd hit right. Knowing my luck I'd decide to vote up Chris and then we'd all be in a far worse situation. Granted as far as you know, this could be an excuse for scum to not lynch their own blocker or to not be found on a town(assuming Chris wasn't somehow indy) but it is what it is.

This kind of explanation feels weak. I thought you weren't feeling either Deadpool or Chris, not that you were feeling both but were too indecisive to pick. If you thought Pool/Chris weren't great targets and Zam was, that definitely explains why you stayed on Zam. That's what Red did at least.

But if you're saying you stayed "neutral" because you were afraid... eh, not buying it. You easily could've said so towards the end of the day, especially when it became obvious Deadpool was gonna be the target. But you seemed to stay as vague as possible.

This is the main theme of my scumtells today: If you didn't make SOLID statements about Deadpool or Chris day 1 that could come back to bite you, I'm gonna be very suspicious. It's not too risky if town makes a solid but wrong tell, with explanation. But it is very risky if scum makes the wrong tells.

Forceful_Dragon posted...
Why should I cast a potentially deciding vote about a user that I didn't have as strong of a read on?

... because the alternative is town Chris being lynched? Your explanation is mostly decent but you have to admit that it was weird not to help push things towards Deadpool when Chris was on the line. Not that you had to be the sole hero of town, but you really would've been happier with a Chris lynch that you did nothing to stop?

Crescent-Moon posted...
I think it's possible that "board 8 special Sceptile" may have been another attempt to save Deadpool.

I am thinking this too which is why I'm kinda warm on Scep even though Chris was railing him hard. Would scum make such an obvious/revealing play on day 1 just to save Deadpool (who, despite being a strong role, would probably get lynched the next day anyways)?
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htaeD
05/29/18 3:48:52 PM
#59:


oh wait I mean Leo
not Han
Han was just quoting Leo
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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 3:48:52 PM
#60:


Alakazamtrainer posted...
2. Because he's avoiding questions and not even answering those directed at him, he more content to offer fluffy content and observations then actually play the game.


What questions have I avoided answering?
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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 3:49:39 PM
#61:


Death is likely Scum. He's played with me enough to know I operate heavily on gut. Expecting me to back up that statement on him is him pretending he's never played with me before.
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Alakazamtrainer
05/29/18 3:50:00 PM
#62:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
2. Because he's avoiding questions and not even answering those directed at him, he more content to offer fluffy content and observations then actually play the game.


What questions have I avoided answering?


Claiming, both Nana and my self want you to full claim given your tongue and cheek claim of dayvig
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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 3:51:35 PM
#63:


Alakazamtrainer posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
2. Because he's avoiding questions and not even answering those directed at him, he more content to offer fluffy content and observations then actually play the game.


What questions have I avoided answering?


Claiming, both Nana and my self want you to full claim given your tongue and cheek claim of dayvig


I did claim. Why are you asking redundant questions?
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htaeD
05/29/18 3:52:32 PM
#64:


0h wait I mean Leo
not Han
Han was just quoting Leo talking about deadpool VS zam

also han, you're just being silly right now
even if I were to remember you operating heavily on gut (which I genuinely dont, so sorry?)
I couldnt presume you were always making statements based on gut, especially ones that directly quote stuff

and now it just sounds like you're reinforcing your viewpoint with an already biased viewpoint
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htaeD
05/29/18 3:53:11 PM
#65:


Han, if that claim was serious, you do realize what Nana claimed
right?
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Alakazamtrainer
05/29/18 3:54:31 PM
#66:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
Alakazamtrainer posted...
2. Because he's avoiding questions and not even answering those directed at him, he more content to offer fluffy content and observations then actually play the game.


What questions have I avoided answering?


Claiming, both Nana and my self want you to full claim given your tongue and cheek claim of dayvig


I did claim. Why are you asking redundant questions?


Alakazamtrainer posted...
Nanahara715 posted...
I am Dhurke Sadhmadhi, Town One-Shot Vigilante!

Defense attorneys in my country are banned, so I take the law into my own hands or something.

Han claiming dayvig means he's a scum dayvig, whoever he shoots will certainly be a town player. There's no way to stop it short of a lawyer (who is already dead) ending the day early.

I will sacrifice myself here. This is a straight up counter claim to Han's dayvig. Any self respecting Town dayvig must take the shot on me right now.

Lynch him when I flip.

If he doesn't shoot, then he's a liar and we still lynch him / I shoot Han tonight.


##Vote: Han

Any response Han?

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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 3:56:36 PM
#67:


I did respond to Nana though. Did you even bother to read my post?

htaeD posted...
0h wait I mean Leo
not Han
Han was just quoting Leo talking about deadpool VS zam

also han, you're just being silly right now
even if I were to remember you operating heavily on gut (which I genuinely dont, so sorry?)
I couldnt presume you were always making statements based on gut, especially ones that directly quote stuff

and now it just sounds like you're reinforcing your viewpoint with an already biased viewpoint


Death is 100% Scum.
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Shaduln
05/29/18 3:59:14 PM
#68:


Why would scum dayvig han claim dayvig if he knew he could be countered by a normal vig?

Haven't even remotely caught up but this is what jumps out for now.
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IfGodCouldDie
05/29/18 4:00:46 PM
#69:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Crescent-Moon posted...
[6] turbopuns - MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han, Corrik, (Crescent)
[2] Han - Nana, Alakazam
[1] FD - Corrik, (Nana)
[1] Alakazam - NewDonk
[1] Sceptile - (Leo), Puns
[1] Foolmo - Scare
[0] Corrik - (Alakazam)
[0] MI - (foolmo)
[0] Shad - (Han)

This should be accurate.

These are the real votals at the moment.

Where did alakazam unvote?

Never mind I found it. Yea these Votals were correct when posted.
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htaeD
05/29/18 4:00:48 PM
#70:


I cant take anything Han says as serious
and since he's gone into broken record mode, I am just gonna ignore the me-part of his posts

but the other part

Han where did you respond to Nana?
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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 4:00:50 PM
#71:


Shaduln posted...
Why would scum dayvig han claim dayvig if he knew he could be countered by a normal vig?

Haven't even remotely caught up but this is what jumps out for now.


Shad, who do you want me to dayvig? ;)
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Dark Young Link
05/29/18 4:01:06 PM
#72:


Does scum dayvig even exist?
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Alakazamtrainer
05/29/18 4:01:16 PM
#73:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I did respond to Nana though. Did you even bother to read my post?

htaeD posted...
0h wait I mean Leo
not Han
Han was just quoting Leo talking about deadpool VS zam

also han, you're just being silly right now
even if I were to remember you operating heavily on gut (which I genuinely dont, so sorry?)
I couldnt presume you were always making statements based on gut, especially ones that directly quote stuff

and now it just sounds like you're reinforcing your viewpoint with an already biased viewpoint


Death is 100% Scum.


Really? I never saw it... please kind sir point me to that post
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Shaduln
05/29/18 4:01:51 PM
#74:


Someone that ended on Chris yesterday, Corrik would probably be a good option.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 4:01:55 PM
#75:


htaeD posted...
I cant take anything Han says as serious
and since he's gone into broken record mode, I am just gonna ignore the me-part of his posts


Thanks for claiming Scum for us!

To answer you though:

HanOfTheNekos posted...
Is Nana actually bad enough to make that claim as Town?

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foolm0r0n
05/29/18 4:01:58 PM
#76:


LMAO that vig claim. I mean it feels towny but still.

Corrik posted...
A vig is not a safe claim. He would have to shoot tonight to prove it now that he is claimed. Otherwise he dies tonight and his shot is wasted.

Or he can just not shoot because he's just a vig so it's not a big deal. He probably would shoot town anyways.

RogueNoble posted...
Are DYL and FD the same account? They both seem really overdramatic and prone to talking about people who want to lynch them better be prepared to be punched out by the fiery fists of JUSTICE!!! and personally offended when someone might want to lynch them.

I'm actually wary of DYL for how unusually calm he is being this game

htaeD posted...
he didnt say much, but that also made it impossible for him to move into a Chris lynch when deadpool sounded more like his number 2 choice

That's the contradiction. Deadpool was his supposed #2, but in reality allowing Deadpool to live so Chris can die was his #2 as he stayed on Zam.
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foolm0r0n
05/29/18 4:02:51 PM
#77:


Han and Death married couple fighting sighhh
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htaeD
05/29/18 4:02:54 PM
#78:


Dark Young Link posted...
Does scum dayvig even exist?


...maybe?
I dont remember one existing
scum gladiators exist, but dayvigs?
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htaeD
05/29/18 4:03:17 PM
#79:


foolm0r0n posted...
Han and Death married couple fighting sighhh


pssh as if
my fights belongs to Corrik
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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 4:04:01 PM
#80:


I guarantee Death is Scum.
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htaeD
05/29/18 4:04:09 PM
#81:


That's the contradiction. Deadpool was his supposed #2, but in reality allowing Deadpool to live so Chris can die was his #2 as he stayed on Zam.


okay thats a good extrapolation
but I guess FD already responded to that somewhere
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Alakazamtrainer
05/29/18 4:05:03 PM
#82:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
htaeD posted...
I cant take anything Han says as serious
and since he's gone into broken record mode, I am just gonna ignore the me-part of his posts


Thanks for claiming Scum for us!

To answer you though:

HanOfTheNekos posted...
Is Nana actually bad enough to make that claim as Town?


My thoughts are you need to full flavor claim, that wimpy excuse of a claim isn't help you much. Nana full flavor claimed to counter your claim. So again I ask would you care to full flavor claim.
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Shaduln
05/29/18 4:05:38 PM
#83:


Pretty sure there was a semi recent game where scum dayvig killed their own teammate and rode that to the end.
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htaeD
05/29/18 4:06:07 PM
#84:


Shaduln posted...
Pretty sure there was a semi recent game where scum dayvig killed their own teammate and rode that to the end.


I have seen scum do crazier things than that even
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IfGodCouldDie
05/29/18 4:06:19 PM
#85:


Updated and correctedly correct VOTALS

[6] turbopuns - MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han, Corrik, (Crescent)
[2] Han - Nana, Alakazam
[1] FD - Corrik, (Nana)
[1] Alakazam - NewDonk
[1] Sceptile - (Leo), Puns
[1] Foolmo - Scare
[0] Corrik - (Alakazam)
[0] MI - (foolmo)
[0] Shad - (Han)
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htaeD
05/29/18 4:06:58 PM
#86:


also no wonder I missed that response
it wasnt even a direct response!

are you sticking with your claim then, Han?
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Crescent-Moon
05/29/18 4:08:14 PM
#87:


foolm0r0n posted...
I'm actually wary of DYL for how unusually calm he is being this game

Early on he definitely felt this way, and it's part of why I poked him early today. His response to me made me a little warmer because I'm pretty sure I've seen DYL admit to being afraid to be wrong before as town.

He's a player that struggles to hide how he feels. I feel like I saw a little of that "feel" in his earlier response.
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Crescent-Moon
05/29/18 4:09:49 PM
#88:


htaeD posted...
Shaduln posted...
Pretty sure there was a semi recent game where scum dayvig killed their own teammate and rode that to the end.


I have seen scum do crazier things than that even

I was in a game where just about all Leo did for like 3 days was aggressively attack other scum. I think it was one of my hydra games.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 4:11:08 PM
#89:


Alakazamtrainer posted...
HanOfTheNekos posted...
htaeD posted...
I cant take anything Han says as serious
and since he's gone into broken record mode, I am just gonna ignore the me-part of his posts


Thanks for claiming Scum for us!

To answer you though:

HanOfTheNekos posted...
Is Nana actually bad enough to make that claim as Town?


My thoughts are you need to full flavor claim, that wimpy excuse of a claim isn't help you much. Nana full flavor claimed to counter your claim. So again I ask would you care to full flavor claim.


I would care, yes.

htaeD posted...
also no wonder I missed that response
it wasnt even a direct response!

are you sticking with your claim then, Han?


Hey, I'm trying to cause discussion. If you were Town, you would engage in that instead of silliness.
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foolm0r0n
05/29/18 4:12:12 PM
#90:


Turbo is a -4 votes right now

MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han, Corrik, (tentatively Crescent and me who don't want to take him to hammerable territory)

MI/Leo started the pressure on Turbo from nowhere with deep public cooperation, so if Turbo is scum then they are pretty solidly town unless they're doing some sort of sacrifice play. The rest (including Crescent and me) all joined directly because of MI's analysis.

Not really sure what this means for scum reads. It is really easy to join the train because of MI's posts.

Maybe a good question to ask is: Who is NOT feeling a scum Turbo right now despite MI's posts and such?

RogueNoble posted...
MI, thanks for using my free vote in such a town positive way!

I'm wondering what this free vote means though?
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htaeD
05/29/18 4:12:48 PM
#91:


uh
what I am doing is trying to get you to engage and be less silly
straight answers would help

also you cant really create a discussion if all you say is 'death is scum'
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foolm0r0n
05/29/18 4:14:21 PM
#92:


Crescent-Moon posted...
htaeD posted...
Shaduln posted...
Pretty sure there was a semi recent game where scum dayvig killed their own teammate and rode that to the end.


I have seen scum do crazier things than that even

I was in a game where just about all Leo did for like 3 days was aggressively attack other scum. I think it was one of my hydra games.

We had scum claim bp miller princess to stay alive on 2nd to last day and then won the standoff in the final 3
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foolm0r0n
05/29/18 4:17:01 PM
#93:


foolm0r0n posted...
Not really sure what this means for scum reads. It is really easy to join the train because of MI's posts.

I guess a corollary here is that Crescent feels towny because he didn't want to take Turbo to 7. It would've been easy to stay at 7 and provide a much easier opening for a hammer, since -3 isn't too bad of a place to be to pressure a claim. But he is being extra cautious.

Does this also mean Crescent thinks there's not many scum on Turbo yet? That the list is pretty townful?
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Crescent-Moon
05/29/18 4:17:25 PM
#94:


foolm0r0n posted...
Turbo is a -4 votes right now

MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han, Corrik, (tentatively Crescent and me who don't want to take him to hammerable territory)

MI/Leo started the pressure on Turbo from nowhere with deep public cooperation, so if Turbo is scum then they are pretty solidly town unless they're doing some sort of sacrifice play. The rest (including Crescent and me) all joined directly because of MI's analysis.

Not really sure what this means for scum reads. It is really easy to join the train because of MI's posts.

Maybe a good question to ask is: Who is NOT feeling a scum Turbo right now despite MI's posts and such?

RogueNoble posted...
MI, thanks for using my free vote in such a town positive way!

I'm wondering what this free vote means though?

I think MI's analysis can be taken a step further and I think it probably makes Scare town. Scare's progression felt both natural and unwavering. He came up with an actual argument on Chris when questioned by me. Puns never really ever called Chris scum at all.
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Nanahara715
05/29/18 4:17:46 PM
#95:


Shaduln posted...
Pretty sure there was a semi recent game where scum dayvig killed their own teammate and rode that to the end.


I used a scum dayvig in CIvil War mafia as well
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Crescent-Moon
05/29/18 4:17:52 PM
#96:


foolm0r0n posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
Not really sure what this means for scum reads. It is really easy to join the train because of MI's posts.

I guess a corollary here is that Crescent feels towny because he didn't want to take Turbo to 7. It would've been easy to stay at 7 and provide a much easier opening for a hammer, since -3 isn't too bad of a place to be to pressure a claim. But he is being extra cautious.

Does this also mean Crescent thinks there's not many scum on Turbo yet? That the list is pretty townful?

(Pst it's she)
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HanOfTheNekos
05/29/18 4:18:06 PM
#97:


foolm0r0n posted...
Maybe a good question to ask is: Who is NOT feeling a scum Turbo right now despite MI's posts and such?


Me. I've still got a Town read on puns.

htaeD posted...
uh
what I am doing is trying to get you to engage and be less silly
straight answers would help

also you cant really create a discussion if all you say is 'death is scum'


I do give answers! Not my fault people don't want to read them.
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RogueNoble
05/29/18 4:18:22 PM
#98:


Crescent-Moon posted...
htaeD posted...
Shaduln posted...
Pretty sure there was a semi recent game where scum dayvig killed their own teammate and rode that to the end.


I have seen scum do crazier things than that even

I was in a game where just about all Leo did for like 3 days was aggressively attack other scum. I think it was one of my hydra games.


Did I win?

foolm0r0n posted...
Turbo is a -4 votes right now

MI, Leo, eaed, DYL, Han, Corrik, (tentatively Crescent and me who don't want to take him to hammerable territory)

MI/Leo started the pressure on Turbo from nowhere with deep public cooperation, so if Turbo is scum then they are pretty solidly town unless they're doing some sort of sacrifice play. The rest (including Crescent and me) all joined directly because of MI's analysis.

Not really sure what this means for scum reads. It is really easy to join the train because of MI's posts.

Maybe a good question to ask is: Who is NOT feeling a scum Turbo right now despite MI's posts and such?

RogueNoble posted...
MI, thanks for using my free vote in such a town positive way!

I'm wondering what this free vote means though?


Day one I was bus driving all day Saturday, so I said I'd just vote along with whoever wanted a free vote. I do this frequently to see how people choose to use it. MI tagged me so I voted Deadpool. Luckily, when I actually had time to play, Deadpool was incredibly scummy and flipped roleblocker.
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Corrik
05/29/18 4:18:41 PM
#99:


Somebody fucking shoot something
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Dark Young Link
05/29/18 4:19:22 PM
#100:


foolm0r0n posted...
We had scum claim bp miller princess to stay alive on 2nd to last day and then won the standoff in the final 3


What level of Hell is this not a claim that gets you auto lynched on the spot?

Also @NewDonker your presence would be appreciated. Do you have any new town/scum reads?
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