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Wry-Guy
05/23/18 12:09:07 PM
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KingCrabCake posted...
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I never met anyone who makes decent money who hated capitalism.

Well Stalin was such a man. Your point is irrelevant.

Never met Stalin

Again, irrelevant.


Yes your posts are.


Wow you sure showed me. And here I thought when you said you were going to put me on ignore you were actually ignoring me, but clearly you wanted to take me off ignore just so you could show me here in this topic.
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tennisdude818
05/23/18 12:11:50 PM
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The left is tolerant of anyone who votes for the left.
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Wry-Guy
05/23/18 12:13:22 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
I never met anyone who makes decent money who hated capitalism.

Well Stalin was such a man. Your point is irrelevant.

Never met Stalin

Again, irrelevant.


Yes your posts are.


Wow you sure showed me. And here I thought when you said you were going to put me on ignore you were actually ignoring me, but clearly you wanted to take me off ignore just so you could show me here in this topic.

Funny: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/573081-hellhole/76629452/901848398
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averagejoel
05/23/18 12:29:20 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
averagejoel posted...
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But humanity has never "thrived" without capitalism. In tribal economies the hierarchy was always determined by who was strongest, most accomplished, smartest, or had the most. More successful models of this were empires like the Mayas and Aztecs. There have been some small tribes here and there that mostly stuck to themselves and were a bit less capitalistic, but I can't think of any that weren't capitalistic. For one thing proper resources are necessary for survival. For another accomplishment and the gain of power are human needs.

capitalism is an economic system that has specific characteristics. it didn't really exist until the French Revolution.

Empires are not capitalist. Feudalism is not capitalist either.

and capitalism is not necessary for resources or for accomplishment

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Capitalism is work for pay, specifically material pay. Typically it revolves around the idea of a central currency, but the idea is essentially that you earn your material possessions.

that's called trade, or exchange. it existed long before capitalism. currency and work also existed before capitalism.

capitalism is more specific than that, though those things are certainly part of it.

read some history
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Bloodychess
05/23/18 12:32:48 PM
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Probably because the left has no problem tolerating intolerance within their own voting block
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Wry-Guy
05/23/18 12:42:32 PM
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averagejoel posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
averagejoel posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
But humanity has never "thrived" without capitalism. In tribal economies the hierarchy was always determined by who was strongest, most accomplished, smartest, or had the most. More successful models of this were empires like the Mayas and Aztecs. There have been some small tribes here and there that mostly stuck to themselves and were a bit less capitalistic, but I can't think of any that weren't capitalistic. For one thing proper resources are necessary for survival. For another accomplishment and the gain of power are human needs.

capitalism is an economic system that has specific characteristics. it didn't really exist until the French Revolution.

Empires are not capitalist. Feudalism is not capitalist either.

and capitalism is not necessary for resources or for accomplishment

>_>
Capitalism is work for pay, specifically material pay. Typically it revolves around the idea of a central currency, but the idea is essentially that you earn your material possessions.

that's called trade, or exchange. it existed long before capitalism. currency and work also existed before capitalism.

capitalism is more specific than that, though those things are certainly part of it.

read some history

capitalism
[kap-i-tl-iz-uh m]
noun

an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.


Literally anything that isn't communism, pure socialism, or extreme state controlled authoritarianism is a form of capitalism. Barter / trade, monetary based, anything. Splitting hairs and calling an empire uncapitalistic is like saying America isn't capitalistic because it's actually an oligarchy.
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averagejoel
05/23/18 1:01:52 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
Literally anything that isn't communism, pure socialism, or extreme state controlled authoritarianism is a form of capitalism. Barter / trade, monetary based, anything. Splitting hairs and calling an empire uncapitalistic is like saying America isn't capitalistic because it's actually an oligarchy.

feudalism
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nounhistorical
the dominant social system in medieval Europe, in which the nobility held lands from the Crown in exchange for military service, and vassals were in turn tenants of the nobles, while the peasants (villeins or serfs) were obliged to live on their lord's land and give him homage, labor, and a share of the produce, notionally in exchange for military protection.


feudalism is not capitalism. it existed before capitalism.
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Wry-Guy
05/23/18 1:05:01 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
capitalism
[kap-i-tl-iz-uh m]
noun

an economic system

averagejoel posted...
feudalism
fyoodlizm/
nounhistorical
the dominant social system

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averagejoel
05/23/18 1:09:13 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
capitalism
[kap-i-tl-iz-uh m]
noun

an economic system

averagejoel posted...
feudalism
fyoodlizm/
nounhistorical
the dominant social system

are you suggesting that feudalism is not also an economic system? because it 100% is
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Wry-Guy
05/23/18 1:11:16 PM
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I'm suggesting you pay more attention to the definitions. Economic and social systems can exist in tandem with one another and can have aspects of one another.
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ultimate reaver
05/23/18 1:16:18 PM
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because mommy and daddy do
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averagejoel
05/23/18 1:22:24 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
I'm suggesting you pay more attention to the definitions. Economic and social systems can exist in tandem with one another and can have aspects of one another.

this does not negate anything i said. feudalism had some qualities of capitalism, so depending on how you're defining the term, it might be "capitalistic", but they're still two distinct economic systems. capitalism came after feudalism.
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Wry-Guy
05/23/18 1:30:44 PM
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Capitalism specifically describes that there exists a system within a society promoting private trade and profit. This can exist in almost any type of government including ancient governments and isn't new. I'm not sure why you think it's a recent invention, it's as old as humanity.
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MedzXVIII
05/23/18 1:31:42 PM
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You make a good point. The left can't tolerate the intolerance from conservatives if the left can't even tolerate their own intolerance.

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KingCrabCake
05/23/18 2:19:25 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
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I never met anyone who makes decent money who hated capitalism.

Well Stalin was such a man. Your point is irrelevant.

Never met Stalin

Again, irrelevant.


Yes your posts are.


Wow you sure showed me. And here I thought when you said you were going to put me on ignore you were actually ignoring me, but clearly you wanted to take me off ignore just so you could show me here in this topic.


*hands u attention*
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averagejoel
05/23/18 2:34:07 PM
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Capitalism specifically is pretty key to humanity.

no it isn't - humans existed and thrived pre-capitalism

and you also didn't address my other points

Not really sure what other points you are talking about.

But humanity has never "thrived" without capitalism. In tribal economies the hierarchy was always determined by who was strongest, most accomplished, smartest, or had the most. More successful models of this were empires like the Mayas and Aztecs. There have been some small tribes here and there that mostly stuck to themselves and were a bit less capitalistic, but I can't think of any that weren't capitalistic. For one thing proper resources are necessary for survival. For another accomplishment and the gain of power are human needs.

But look where that got them. Wearing loin cloths from whatever they hunt, living in tents, no modern medicine, no architecture, no anything. Oh, and they fight each other non stop.


TIL southcoast09 knows absolutely nothing about the Mayans and Aztecs

those two subjects are... not the exception
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thelovefist
05/23/18 2:34:29 PM
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averagejoel posted...
capitalism is an economic system that has specific characteristics. it didn't really exist until the French Revolution.


averagelol spouting nonsense once again.
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Antifar
05/23/18 2:35:43 PM
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thelovefist posted...
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capitalism is an economic system that has specific characteristics. it didn't really exist until the French Revolution.


averagelol spouting nonsense once again.

You can quibble with the timing a bit: some might place it earlier in the 1700s, but he's about right. Capitalism is not just "all trade or commerce."
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southcoast09
05/23/18 4:08:30 PM
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CrimsonRage posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
averagejoel posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Capitalism specifically is pretty key to humanity.

no it isn't - humans existed and thrived pre-capitalism

and you also didn't address my other points

Not really sure what other points you are talking about.

But humanity has never "thrived" without capitalism. In tribal economies the hierarchy was always determined by who was strongest, most accomplished, smartest, or had the most. More successful models of this were empires like the Mayas and Aztecs. There have been some small tribes here and there that mostly stuck to themselves and were a bit less capitalistic, but I can't think of any that weren't capitalistic. For one thing proper resources are necessary for survival. For another accomplishment and the gain of power are human needs.

But look where that got them. Wearing loin cloths from whatever they hunt, living in tents, no modern medicine, no architecture, no anything. Oh, and they fight each other non stop.


TIL @southcoast09 knows absolutely nothing about the Mayans and Aztecs

What point are you trying to make? Survival is their main goal. Their dont trade with foreign countries. Their medical facilities are something from a cartoon. How could you even begin to put a tribe on the same level as a first world country?
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thelovefist
05/23/18 5:24:27 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
southcoast09 posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
averagejoel posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Capitalism specifically is pretty key to humanity.

no it isn't - humans existed and thrived pre-capitalism

and you also didn't address my other points

Not really sure what other points you are talking about.

But humanity has never "thrived" without capitalism. In tribal economies the hierarchy was always determined by who was strongest, most accomplished, smartest, or had the most. More successful models of this were empires like the Mayas and Aztecs. There have been some small tribes here and there that mostly stuck to themselves and were a bit less capitalistic, but I can't think of any that weren't capitalistic. For one thing proper resources are necessary for survival. For another accomplishment and the gain of power are human needs.

But look where that got them. Wearing loin cloths from whatever they hunt, living in tents, no modern medicine, no architecture, no anything. Oh, and they fight each other non stop.


TIL @southcoast09 knows absolutely nothing about the Mayans and Aztecs

What point are you trying to make? Survival is their main goal. Their dont trade with foreign countries. Their medical facilities are something from a cartoon. How could you even begin to put a tribe on the same level as a first world country?

You really need to do a little reading about the Mayan civilization lolcoast.
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