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DavidWong
05/17/18 10:56:29 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
No he wasn't. He is very clearly apolitical.


He wasn't apolitical. He was very aware of the political world, hence the quote about rendering unto Caesar and rendering unto God.

He's actually a Libertarian.


Wrong also.

He's apolitical. Human politics don't matter to God and they don't matter to Jesus.

Libertarian is about as apolitical as you can get. It's literally "you do you, I'll do me, and the government should have as little intrusion as possible in our lives."


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Damn_Underscore
05/17/18 10:57:24 PM
#52:


A Libertarian would be against government intervention. Jesus doesn't care either way.
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 10:59:54 PM
#53:


Damn_Underscore posted...
A Libertarian would be against government intervention. Jesus doesn't care either way.

He actually does care about government intervention, literally telling soldiers not to do what soldiers did back then.
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Zodd3224
05/17/18 11:01:45 PM
#54:


He was a filthy vegan too
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Damn_Underscore
05/17/18 11:07:31 PM
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About paying the temple tax, he said

But so that we may not cause offense, go to the lake and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for my tax and yours.


He paid the tax just so he wouldn't rock the boat.
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 11:09:49 PM
#56:


Zodd3224 posted...
He was a filthy vegan too

Ate a lot of fish for a vegan...
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Zodd3224
05/17/18 11:10:59 PM
#57:


darkjedilink posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
He was a filthy vegan too

Ate a lot of fish for a vegan...


Those fish were gluten free
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Darkman124
05/17/18 11:17:00 PM
#58:


"you do you and i'll do me" is about as far from jesus' ideology as it gets

his final words to his followers were to spread the word of his teachings to everyone. his teachings which boiled down to "beggar yourself to alleviate the suffering of others"
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Damn_Underscore
05/17/18 11:24:24 PM
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I think his teachings are a lot more than make yourself poor for the sake of others.
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darkjedilink
05/17/18 11:26:36 PM
#60:


Zodd3224 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
He was a filthy vegan too

Ate a lot of fish for a vegan...

Those fish were gluten free

Do you know what "vegan" means?
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Zodd3224
05/17/18 11:34:02 PM
#61:


darkjedilink posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
He was a filthy vegan too

Ate a lot of fish for a vegan...

Those fish were gluten free

Do you know what "vegan" means?


I know that vegan backwards is Nagev. Nagev, Nazareth... Come on man, put 2 and 2 together...
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cAPITALISATION
05/17/18 11:40:19 PM
#62:


How can he not be a real person?

He has a grave, for crying out loud
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The Great Muta 22
05/17/18 11:43:31 PM
#63:


darkjedilink posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
No he wasn't. He is very clearly apolitical.


He wasn't apolitical. He was very aware of the political world, hence the quote about rendering unto Caesar and rendering unto God.

He's actually a Libertarian.


Wrong also.

He's apolitical. Human politics don't matter to God and they don't matter to Jesus.

Libertarian is about as apolitical as you can get. It's literally "you do you, I'll do me, and the government should have as little intrusion as possible in our lives."


Libertarians are shit, though. Like, only a smidge better than AnCaps
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 12:42:18 AM
#64:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
No he wasn't. He is very clearly apolitical.


He wasn't apolitical. He was very aware of the political world, hence the quote about rendering unto Caesar and rendering unto God.

He's actually a Libertarian.

Wrong also.

He's apolitical. Human politics don't matter to God and they don't matter to Jesus.

Libertarian is about as apolitical as you can get. It's literally "you do you, I'll do me, and the government should have as little intrusion as possible in our lives."

Libertarians are shit, though. Like, only a smidge better than AnCaps

Only if you think individual rights are bad.
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Kineth
05/18/18 12:52:15 AM
#65:


darkjedilink posted...
Only if you think individual rights are bad.


You're not an advocate for social freedom across the board though. You're just a Republican who's fine with smoking weed, much like the rest of the "libertarians". You've espoused and supported plenty of authoritarian positions, much like how Mal_Fet does it.
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Kazi1212
05/18/18 12:53:29 AM
#66:


There are Christians who think Jesus was an anarchist and one can read the Bible through an anti-state perspective

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism
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Damn_Underscore
05/18/18 12:57:09 AM
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I don't know what that guy believes, but it's OK to have some views that are liberal and other views that are conservative.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 1:30:36 AM
#68:


Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Only if you think individual rights are bad.


You're not an advocate for social freedom across the board though. You're just a Republican who's fine with smoking weed, much like the rest of the "libertarians". You've espoused and supported plenty of authoritarian positions, much like how Mal_Fet does it.

Oh, I'd love to hear what "authoritarian positions" I take. You're the one advocating literal thought policing, yet I'm the authoritarian?
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Kineth
05/18/18 1:31:00 AM
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Cop apologism.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 1:32:12 AM
#70:


Kineth posted...
Cop apologism.

Ah, yes - because cops defending themselves from physical attack is SOOOO authoritarian.
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lesidesi
05/18/18 1:54:15 AM
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[21:1] As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. [2] He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. [3] "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. [4] All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."
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Kineth
05/18/18 1:57:08 AM
#72:


darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
Cop apologism.

Ah, yes - because cops defending themselves from physical attack is SOOOO authoritarian.


If that were an accurate representation of your position, then yeah, the sarcasm would be warranted.

It isn't though and you would be lockstep behind a police state.

Then there's your clear bias against minorities, specifically black people, and unequal enforcement of the law isn't libertarian either.

Shall I keep going, you fraud?
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MrPeppers
05/18/18 1:58:30 AM
#73:


giantblimpN7 posted...
pikachupwnage posted...
giantblimpN7 posted...
FaultyGourry posted...
Nah, Christ actually did things for others instead of expecting others to do things for him.

Name one good thing he did


Humiliated some holier than thou priests
Saved a person from getting stoned
Encouraged people to help the people and gave several useful lessons on how to treat others in general.

Among others even if you don't buy into any of the miracles.

If that's all it takes to be worshiped I must be Ghandi or some shit


The fact that you made that statement pretty readily debunks your claim.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 2:14:19 AM
#74:


Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
Cop apologism.

Ah, yes - because cops defending themselves from physical attack is SOOOO authoritarian.


If that were an accurate representation of your position, then yeah, the sarcasm would be warranted.

It isn't though and you would be lockstep behind a police state.

Then there's your clear bias against minorities, specifically black people, and unequal enforcement of the law isn't libertarian either.

Shall I keep going, you fraud?

Yeah - and actually link to any one of these imaginary instances where I've called for unequal enforcement.

You do know that biases aren't anti-Libertarian, right? And that the Libertarian platform calls our our Constitutionally-protected right to be biased?
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Crazyman93
05/18/18 2:26:56 AM
#75:


giantblimpN7 posted...
Probably. Sharing food with all the people, clear sign.

Nah, that means he wasn't a communist. Communists want everyone to starve.
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FreshSushi
05/18/18 2:33:09 AM
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most historic rebel populists are
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FrenchCrunch
05/18/18 2:53:23 AM
#77:


was jesus even real tho
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chetmanly
05/18/18 2:57:45 AM
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jesus was red blooded capitalist
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chill02
05/18/18 3:07:43 AM
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Kineth
05/18/18 4:24:24 AM
#80:


darkjedilink posted...
Yeah - and actually link to any one of these imaginary instances where I've called for unequal enforcement.

You do know that biases aren't anti-Libertarian, right? And that the Libertarian platform calls our our Constitutionally-protected right to be biased?


I don't care if you agree with the accusation, so eat me. Yes, I know what being a libertarian is about because I'm an actual fucking libertarian and your shit makes me stink by proxy.
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Delirious_Beard
05/18/18 4:25:03 AM
#81:


jesus christ was an only child
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 8:48:52 AM
#82:


Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Yeah - and actually link to any one of these imaginary instances where I've called for unequal enforcement.

You do know that biases aren't anti-Libertarian, right? And that the Libertarian platform calls our our Constitutionally-protected right to be biased?

I don't care if you agree with the accusation, so eat me. Yes, I know what being a libertarian is about because I'm an actual fucking libertarian and your shit makes me stink by proxy.

You advocate actual thought policing, dude.

This response to my post just proves how full of shit you are.
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Kineth
05/18/18 8:51:31 AM
#83:


Oh, so you're done attempting to defend that you're a libertarian and are just going onto insults and fabrications. Good job.
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Garioshi
05/18/18 9:45:39 AM
#84:


"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to pass through the gates of heaven"
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Nah, he wasn't a communist. Not at all.
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tennisdude818
05/18/18 9:53:21 AM
#85:


Garioshi posted...
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to pass through the gates of heaven"
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Nah, he wasn't a communist. Not at all.


The quotes you chose all involve charity and free will. Communism is enforced through the barrel of a gun. If God was a communist, he would have just cut out the middle man by removing our free will.

Unless I misunderstood what you were going for, and you were actually saying that because communism makes nations poor, it should lead to more people going to heaven or something.
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averagejoel
05/18/18 10:01:50 AM
#86:


imagine thinking that any ideology is apolitical

imagine thinking "fuck you, I got mine" is apolitical
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Kineth
05/18/18 10:04:30 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
The quotes you chose all involve charity and free will. Communism is enforced through the barrel of a gun. If God was a communist, he would have just cut out the middle man by removing our free will.

Unless I misunderstood what you were going for, and you were actually saying that because communism makes nations poor, it should lead to more people going to heaven or something.


Just to be sure, are you suggesting that if the US adopted communism, we would just simply devolve into a barbarous nation instead of keeping our shit together and not being authoritarian shit stains? Central planning and government control are absolutely not a tenet of communism, but are characteristics of authoritarian states, which admittedly, almost all of the communist states were/are. At the same time, saying that it makes nations poor is ridiculous. Russia was already poor before and China was in the middle of a civil war before the Japanese invasion, all of Eastern Europe was a mess from warfare and Vietnam wasn't exactly affluent either.
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Darkman124
05/18/18 10:04:34 AM
#88:


tennisdude818 posted...
Communism is enforced through the barrel of a gun.


christ's was enforced through the threat of hell
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Garioshi
05/18/18 10:06:05 AM
#89:


tennisdude818 posted...
Garioshi posted...
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to pass through the gates of heaven"
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Nah, he wasn't a communist. Not at all.


The quotes you chose all involve charity and free will. Communism is enforced through the barrel of a gun. If God was a communist, he would have just cut out the middle man by removing our free will.

Unless I misunderstood what you were going for, and you were actually saying that because communism makes nations poor, it should lead to more people going to heaven or something.

Looks like you've never heard of anarcho-communism
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averagejoel
05/18/18 10:08:31 AM
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oh also saying "jesus was a communist" is a lot like saying "shakespeare was a feminist" Shakespeare recognized that women were treated unfairly, and Jesus wanted to ensure that everyone had their basic needs met but neither movement existed for hundreds of years after their deaths
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Dathrowed1
05/18/18 10:18:04 AM
#91:


Damn_Underscore posted...
No he wasn't. He is very clearly apolitical.

One of the few right answers here, along with him advocating charity and not socialism
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Dyinglegacy
05/18/18 10:22:15 AM
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KawiKa posted...
Nah, Communists are real.


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Darkman124
05/18/18 10:22:23 AM
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his idea of charity differed markedly from the modern concept of it
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 10:23:33 AM
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Kineth posted...
Oh, so you're done attempting to defend that you're a libertarian and are just going onto insults and fabrications. Good job.

It's hard to defend against made-up comments you refuse to prove. You say I advocate authoritarianism, yet cannot libk to such. Meanwhile, you defend literal Communism whenever it comes up, but claim to be Libertarian.

lmao.
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Kineth
05/18/18 10:27:51 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
Oh, so you're done attempting to defend that you're a libertarian and are just going onto insults and fabrications. Good job.

It's hard to defend against made-up comments you refuse to prove. You say I advocate authoritarianism, yet cannot libk to such. Meanwhile, you defend literal Communism whenever it comes up, but claim to be Libertarian.

lmao.


"You can't win this argument without linking to any posts of mine" is such a stupid hill to die on. If you had an ounce of character, you wouldn't be playing coy about the critiques and actually acknowledge words you've said.

I'm not advocating for communism, I'm only correcting misinformation. Read a book.
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darkjedilink
05/18/18 10:30:32 AM
#96:


Kineth posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Kineth posted...
Oh, so you're done attempting to defend that you're a libertarian and are just going onto insults and fabrications. Good job.

It's hard to defend against made-up comments you refuse to prove. You say I advocate authoritarianism, yet cannot libk to such. Meanwhile, you defend literal Communism whenever it comes up, but claim to be Libertarian.

lmao.


"You can't win this argument without linking to any posts of mine" is such a stupid hill to die on. If you had an ounce of character, you wouldn't be playing coy about the critiques and actually acknowledge words you've said.

I'm not advocating for communism, I'm only correcting misinformation. Read a book.

You can't win the argument because you can't even pretend to lie about what 'authoritarian policies' I support.
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tennisdude818
05/18/18 10:40:59 AM
#97:


Kineth posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
The quotes you chose all involve charity and free will. Communism is enforced through the barrel of a gun. If God was a communist, he would have just cut out the middle man by removing our free will.

Unless I misunderstood what you were going for, and you were actually saying that because communism makes nations poor, it should lead to more people going to heaven or something.


Just to be sure, are you suggesting that if the US adopted communism, we would just simply devolve into a barbarous nation instead of keeping our shit together and not being authoritarian shit stains? I'd like to think that we're better than that.

Central planning and government control are absolutely not a tenet of communism, but are characteristics of authoritarian states, which admittedly, almost all of the communist states were/are. At the same time, saying that it makes nations poor is ridiculous. Russia was already poor before and China was in the middle of a civil war before the Japanese invasion, all of Eastern Europe was a mess from warfare and Vietnam wasn't exactly affluent either.


I dont know why the US would be any better than other communist countries. Stealing and maintaining the means of production requires an enormous amount of political power. On one hand you would probably say that American business owners have shown significant corruption throughout US history. If Americans arent immune to the corruption available in the market (usually through some sort of partnership with the state) I dont know why they would be immune to the corruption that comes with enormous power over the economy.

You can see that communism makes countries poor by looking at the hundreds of millions in Asia that escaped poverty by moving towards freer markets. If you dont allow for market prices, you dont know what the most efficient allocation of resources will be. This is why Mises correctly predicted the fall of the Soviet Union.
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Dathrowed1
05/18/18 10:41:18 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
his idea of charity differed markedly from the modern concept of it

the point is it wasn't socialism
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tennisdude818
05/18/18 10:44:04 AM
#99:


Garioshi posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
Garioshi posted...
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to pass through the gates of heaven"
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Nah, he wasn't a communist. Not at all.


The quotes you chose all involve charity and free will. Communism is enforced through the barrel of a gun. If God was a communist, he would have just cut out the middle man by removing our free will.

Unless I misunderstood what you were going for, and you were actually saying that because communism makes nations poor, it should lead to more people going to heaven or something.

Looks like you've never heard of anarcho-communism


Yes I have. The Spanish AnComs stole and destroyed all the money they could and ordered the death penalty for the use of money.
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averagejoel
05/18/18 10:44:11 AM
#100:


Dathrowed1 posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
No he wasn't. He is very clearly apolitical.

One of the few right answers here, along with him advocating charity and not socialism

jesus was not apolitical

he was literally executed by the state
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