Current Events > U.S. federal ban on sports gambling overturned

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https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/996028480562319361

whoa
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holy shit
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Does this mean Pete Rose gets into the HOF now?
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Cool. Now make online poker legal again so I can quit my fucking job please.
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I don't like gambling but I don't think it should be illegal.
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What? Isn't sports betting the one thing that's legal to do outside of a casino?
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Poiuyt posted...

Does this mean Pete Rose gets into the HOF now?

Probably not. Legal or not by US law, he broke the rules the MLB had in place at that time and it was pretty much the biggest one to break.
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Sweet
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Asherlee10 posted...

Is there a good argument against sports betting?

Christianity opposes it
It ruins lives

It comes down to "Is it the Government's job to protect the people from themselves?"
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SpiralDrift posted...

Poiuyt posted...

Does this mean Pete Rose gets into the HOF now?

Probably not. Legal or not by US law, he broke the rules the MLB had in place at that time and it was pretty much the biggest one to break.

Yeah, and baseball has very legitimate reasons, beyond federal law, for banning betting on the sport by those involved in it.
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oh boy, i can just hear the saliva smacking from shitty executives in the gaming industry over this turn of events.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Is there a good argument against sports betting?

Just thinking out loud... perhaps it could increase corruption in the professional organizations?

Literally don't think that is possible. Already at 100% corrupt.
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Asherlee10 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Is there a good argument against sports betting?

Christianity opposes it
It ruins lives

It comes down to "Is it the Government's job to protect the people from themselves?"

Religious-based arguments in this scenario don't really hold any weight.

I'm with you bro.

I'm just saying, look at your money. In God We Trust.

Christianity carries a lot of weight in the US. Gambling is viewed as immoral and its impossible to argue that it hasn't ruined lives.

So should the government protect people or should people be allowed to walk themselves off a cliff if they are stupid or get addicted?

I'm on the latter side but it's easy to just call that soulless or heartless.
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Asherlee10 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Is there a good argument against sports betting?

Christianity opposes it
It ruins lives

It comes down to "Is it the Government's job to protect the people from themselves?"

Religious-based arguments in this scenario don't really hold any weight.

No, but that's why online poker and sports betting were outlawed.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Just thinking out loud... perhaps it could increase corruption in the professional organizations?

This is probably the main thing.

Let's say someone places a 3 million dollar bet on a team. They could spend 2 million to pay off members of the opposing team to throw the game and still make a profit.
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SpiralDrift posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Just thinking out loud... perhaps it could increase corruption in the professional organizations?

This is probably the main thing.

Let's say someone places a 3 million dollar bet on a team. They could spend 2 million to pay off members of the opposing team to throw the game and still make a profit.

Thing is, that kind of thing happens anyway.
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voldothegr8 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Is there a good argument against sports betting?

Christianity opposes it
It ruins lives

It comes down to "Is it the Government's job to protect the people from themselves?"

Religious-based arguments in this scenario don't really hold any weight.

No, but that's why online poker and sports betting were outlawed.

Yeah, except for the fact that people religiously bet on sports, mostly football (soccer) in Europe.
it's like the main hobby of most people who follow sports in Italy.

From US sports, I personally like betting on NBA players' over/under points scored.
Fuck DeRozan, btw. Cost me so much money.

I don't get all the people saying Pete Rose should be in the Hall now on social media. Did people suddenly forget sports rules and the government laws are different things.
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FifthBeethoven posted...

I don't get all the people saying Pete Rose should be in the Hall now on social media. Did people suddenly forget sports rules and the government laws are different things.

Yeah I don't get all this Pete Rose stuff, it isn't law preventing him from getting in the Hall.
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One step at a time. Make America free again! *Eagle screech*
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deupd_u posted...

One step at a time. Make America free again! *Eagle screech*

You mean *red-tailed hawk screech*?
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voldothegr8 posted...

FifthBeethoven posted...

I don't get all the people saying Pete Rose should be in the Hall now on social media. Did people suddenly forget sports rules and the government laws are different things.

Yeah I don't get all this Pete Rose stuff, it isn't law preventing him from getting in the Hall.

its probably related to the clowns who think people in jail because of marijuana-related crimes should have their sentences vacated when laws change now

Fam_Fam posted...

its probably related to the clowns who think people in jail because of marijuana-related crimes should have their sentences vacated when laws change now

They should, though
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Asherlee10 posted...

Is there a good argument against sports betting?

Just thinking out loud... perhaps it could increase corruption in the professional organizations?

Every major gambling scandal involved official team players or managers betting on their own game.
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Thanks Trump....?

Am I doing this right
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Is there a good argument against sports betting?

Just thinking out loud... perhaps it could increase corruption in the professional organizations?

Every major gambling scandal involved official team players or managers betting on their own game.

The leagues can have rules and enforce it themselves

Don't see why the government has to get involved

Great decision imo

UnfairRepresent posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Is there a good argument against sports betting?

Christianity opposes it
It ruins lives

It comes down to "Is it the Government's job to protect the people from themselves?"

Fair. My answer is "yes", but I also think voting should require a competency exam, so...
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As a degenerate gambler I can happily say: what a time to be alive.

Though I've had my own bookie for years.
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Its already done extensively in las vegas. Anyone wanting to get involved in corruption and fixing is likely already doing so as the means have clearly been here for a long time.

Only thing this does is allow the common man who doesn't have a bookie, who doesn't visit vegas frequently, to have the ability to put a wager on and have some extra fun with games.

The only question is who gets a piece of the pie. The government will obviously tax the shit out of their profits.
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@andel - you're a big gambler right? You excited? Or do you just put money on billiards...i forget my lore

Also, I guess we can openly talk about sports betting cuz its not illegal anymore.
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Maeiv posted...

Thanks Trump....?

Am I doing this right

It was a SC decision.

And while someone brought up Pete Rose, its a literal joke that the all-time hits leader in MLB HISTORY isnt in the HoF because of the commissioners office being petty af. Guy only bet on his own team and he deserves to be in the Hall before he dies.
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Maeiv posted...

Thanks Trump....?

Am I doing this right

Trump actually opposed this because Adelson, one of his big donors stands to lose a lot of money from the competition here.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

I also think voting should require a competency exam, so...

https://imgur.com/41r8iQ2
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Maeiv posted...

Thanks Trump....?

Am I doing this right

It was a SC decision.

And while someone brought up Pete Rose, its a literal joke that the all-time hits leader in MLB HISTORY isnt in the HoF because of the commissioners office being petty af. Guy only bet on his own team and he deserves to be in the Hall before he dies.

You're not wrong, but you do understand the history of gambling in baseball right? The mob literally fixed the World Series once so in order to protect the sport they put a hard no policy on anybody involved with a team to gamble on baseball.
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Asherlee10 posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Is there a good argument against sports betting?

Christianity opposes it
It ruins lives

It comes down to "Is it the Government's job to protect the people from themselves?"

Religious-based arguments in this scenario don't really hold any weight.

No, but that's why online poker and sports betting were outlawed.

For fuck sake...

The previous ban on sports betting might have initially been caused by the religious-based arguments, but the fact that it has stayed illegal as long as it has is 100% because of extensive lobbying from the Vegas gaming center (where it is legal) to keep it illegal. You've basically had the gaming industry from the rest of the nation (particularly Atlantic City and the Seminole tribe) actively fighting Vegas to make sports betting legal.

When it comes to online poker. The illegality of that is driven entirely by the casino industry. Now the congress people they lobbied might pass it off under moral reasoning and protecting people, but they were being backed by casinos.
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Poiuyt posted...

Does this mean Pete Rose gets into the HOF now?

I doubt it since US Law and League policies can differ, and he was betting on his own games.
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Romes187 posted...

@andel - you're a big gambler right? You excited? Or do you just put money on billiards...i forget my lore

i run a sports book, likely wont affect me but not excited because i don't want near by casinos picking up on the sports

@Romes187
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My take (lawyer that works in the gaming industry):

This decision is a huge change but does very little by itself. States can now change their own laws to opt in to sports betting. This process will be generally slow and cumbersome and local interests will fight tooth and nail for every cent.

It will be interesting to see how it gets set up. Some early versions of legislation have a percentage of the taxes going back to the respective leagues which a lot of the gaming facilities are not happy about and there is talk that the requested percentage is going to cut into the margins by too much. I do not think it will facilitate online gaming the way some others do. The Wire Act still exists and the security concerns are a hard sell to most legislatures.

I think you will initially see a few states push to authorize it at traditional land based casinos (NJ, CT, MD, PA, WV) in the near future. Then it will expand beyond that to a few others (CA, FL, MA, MS, maybe NY). I read something recently that said there are somewhere around 17 states that have legislation ready to go -- WV could be up by July 1 -- but really don't expect many of it to go anywhere.

PASPA stopped people from advertising and promoting sports gaming. That was specifically identified as inseparable from the act in the opinion today so in a lot of states you will start to see advertisements for sports betting which is going to be very odd in America.
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whitelytning posted...

I think you will initially see a few states push to authorize it at traditional land based casinos (NJ, CT, MD, PA, WV) in the near future. Then it will expand beyond that to a few others (CA, FL, MA, MS, maybe NY). I read something recently that said there are somewhere around 17 states that have legislation ready to go -- WV could be up by July 1 -- but really don't expect many of it to go anywhere.

I can't wait to see a few of my casino audit clients start to roll it out. I fully expect an accounting shit show.
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whitelytning posted...

Some early versions of legislation have a percentage of the taxes going back to the respective leagues

that's ridiculous. what sort of rationale could be used for that?
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