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Ic3Bullet 05/09/18 6:32:18 PM #1:	Is it wrong for humans to hunt and kill animals as an activity? - Results (18 votes) Yes, hunting and killing an animal is always immoral. No exceptions. 0% (0 votes) 0 Hunting and killing an animal is only okay when it is a means of survival. 16.67% (3 votes) 3 Hunting and killing an animal is fine as long as you eat it. 55.56% (10 votes) 10 Hunting and killing an animals for sport is fine. I have no problems with trophy hunting. 16.67% (3 votes) 3 Hunting and killing an animal is never immoral, including poaching, hunting endangered species and killing more than the 11.11% (2 votes) 2 Edit: last poll option should say more than the legal limit. Ill post my opinion in a bit. <cite>Ic3Bullet posted [p:901075625] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote> Is it wrong for humans to hunt and kill animals as an activity? - Results (18 votes) Yes, hunting and killing an animal is always immoral. No exceptions. 0% (0 votes) 0 Hunting and killing an animal is only okay when it is a means of survival. 16.67% (3 votes) 3 Hunting and killing an animal is fine as long as you eat it. 55.56% (10 votes) 10 Hunting and killing an animals for sport is fine. I have no problems with trophy hunting. 16.67% (3 votes) 3 Hunting and killing an animal is never immoral, including poaching, hunting endangered species and killing more than the 11.11% (2 votes) 2 Edit: last poll option should say more than the legal limit. Ill post my opinion in a bit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 05/09/18 6:33:26 PM #2:	no --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:901075677] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>no</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 05/09/18 6:50:25 PM #3:	Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:901076477] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/09/18 6:51:45 PM #4:	Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals. --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901076545] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
looked 05/09/18 6:59:37 PM #5:	Its fine as long as you eat it. I dont see the point in shooting them just to shoot them, but thats just me. <cite>looked posted [p:901076921] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>Its fine as long as you eat it. I dont see the point in shooting them just to shoot them, but thats just me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ic3Bullet 05/09/18 7:34:36 PM #6:	This poll looks like a middle finger right now. <cite>Ic3Bullet posted [p:901078781] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>This poll looks like a middle finger right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/09/18 7:35:24 PM #7:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it? --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:901078811] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all</quote> Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SophieLuvsTofu 05/09/18 7:37:17 PM #8:	I think it's immoral. If deer were as intelligent as we then would it be okay if they shot humans to eat food? Would we view it as unethical or immoral for humans to be shot? Of course. You can't look at animal differently because it is difference species. I'm not vegetarian but I take a strong stance against it. <cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted [p:901078912] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>I think it's immoral. If deer were as intelligent as we then would it be okay if they shot humans to eat food? Would we view it as unethical or immoral for humans to be shot? Of course. You can't look at animal differently because it is difference species. I'm not vegetarian but I take a strong stance against it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BJ-blazkowics 05/09/18 7:37:51 PM #9:	REMercsChamp posted... Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals. Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing. <cite>BJ-blazkowics posted [p:901078945] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals.</quote> Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 05/09/18 7:39:08 PM #10:	I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:901079015] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SophieLuvsTofu 05/09/18 7:41:09 PM #11:	eston posted... I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat Have you ever considered the opposite? What if deers said it was ok to kill us for food, population control, or viable threat (such as deforestation). <cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted [p:901079099] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat</quote> Have you ever considered the opposite? What if deers said it was ok to kill us for food, population control, or viable threat (such as deforestation).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SkittyOnWailord 05/09/18 7:41:56 PM #12:	Assuming we're talking about sport hunting and not killing them for food, it's as immoral as killing other humans. Though some people think that's alright to do. --- I'm here! I'm furry! I'll try not to shed! =^_^= i7 5820K\|Rampage V Extreme\|32GB DDR4 Ripjaws 4\|2xSLI GTX 980ti Lightning LE\|HAF 932\|Sony 55inch 4K HDR\|HTC Vive <cite>SkittyOnWailord posted [p:901079146] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>Assuming we're talking about sport hunting and not killing them for food, it's as immoral as killing other humans. Though some people think that's alright to do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 05/09/18 7:42:06 PM #13:	BJ-blazkowics posted... bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:901079155] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote>bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 05/09/18 7:42:53 PM #14:	SophieLuvsTofu posted... eston posted... I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat Have you ever considered the opposite? What if deers said it was ok to kill us for food, population control, or viable threat (such as deforestation). I'd like to see them try --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:901079208] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat</quote> Have you ever considered the opposite? What if deers said it was ok to kill us for food, population control, or viable threat (such as deforestation).</quote> I'd like to see them try</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/09/18 7:43:02 PM #15:	BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals. Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing. Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901079216] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals.</quote> Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing.</quote> Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 05/09/18 7:43:28 PM #16:	SophieLuvsTofu posted... What if deers said it was ok to kill us we kill them back what are they gonna do, ram us? we have guns --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:901079241] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote>What if deers said it was ok to kill us</quote> we kill them back what are they gonna do, ram us? we have guns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 05/09/18 7:44:23 PM #17:	ASithLord7 posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it? Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes Well, not unethical I should say --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:901079291] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all</quote> Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it?</quote> Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes Well, not unethical I should say</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/09/18 7:44:52 PM #18:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... ASithLord7 posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it? Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes Uhh, well okay then at least you're consistent in your complete and utter sociopathy. --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:901079317] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all</quote> Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it?</quote> Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes</quote> Uhh, well okay then at least you're consistent in your complete and utter sociopathy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SophieLuvsTofu 05/09/18 7:45:19 PM #19:	eston posted... SophieLuvsTofu posted... eston posted... I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat Have you ever considered the opposite? What if deers said it was ok to kill us for food, population control, or viable threat (such as deforestation). I'd like to see them try chill02 posted... SophieLuvsTofu posted... What if deers said it was ok to kill us we kill them back what are they gonna do, ram us? we have guns I mean both of you are kinda taking advantage of the fact that we're naturally more intelligent. Just because they're dumber doesn't mean they deserve less rights, right? Assume a more intelligent species is one day introduced that can kill with a stare. Does that mean they should have the right to eat us, hunt us, etc? Just because we're top of the jungle does not mean its not immoral. Not saying you're wrong just consider the angle. <cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted [p:901079339] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat</quote> Have you ever considered the opposite? What if deers said it was ok to kill us for food, population control, or viable threat (such as deforestation).</quote> I'd like to see them try</quote> <cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote>What if deers said it was ok to kill us</quote> we kill them back what are they gonna do, ram us? we have guns</quote> I mean both of you are kinda taking advantage of the fact that we're naturally more intelligent. Just because they're dumber doesn't mean they deserve less rights, right? Assume a more intelligent species is one day introduced that can kill with a stare. Does that mean they should have the right to eat us, hunt us, etc? Just because we're top of the jungle does not mean its not immoral. Not saying you're wrong just consider the angle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 05/09/18 7:46:12 PM #20:	There was a mormon lunatic on Naked and Afraid that said some bullshit like "god created animals for no other reason than for humans to do with as we please." He was hunting a lizard at one point and it was proving hard to catch. He was getting really pissed off and it took him forever to get it, but he finally did. He bit the head off and ate it. That is fine in and of itself as it's a survival show so naturally they're gonna kill and eat animals. What surprised me though is that given his earlier rhetoric, he didn't fuck the thing first... --- "I can i i everything else," Bob reportedly said. Alice replied: "Balls have zero to me to me to me..." (Facebook AIs talking to each other) <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:901079376] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>There was a mormon lunatic on Naked and Afraid that said some bullshit like "god created animals for no other reason than for humans to do with as we please." He was hunting a lizard at one point and it was proving hard to catch. He was getting really pissed off and it took him forever to get it, but he finally did. He bit the head off and ate it. That is fine in and of itself as it's a survival show so naturally they're gonna kill and eat animals. What surprised me though is that given his earlier rhetoric, he didn't fuck the thing first...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BJ-blazkowics 05/09/18 7:46:21 PM #21:	eston posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. lmao <cite>BJ-blazkowics posted [p:901079391] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote>bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos.</quote> </quote> lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BJ-blazkowics 05/09/18 7:47:12 PM #22:	REMercsChamp posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals. Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing. Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all <cite>BJ-blazkowics posted [p:901079425] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals.</quote> Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing.</quote> Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them</quote> You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 05/09/18 7:47:27 PM #23:	ASithLord7 posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... ASithLord7 posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it? Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes Uhh, well okay then at least you're consistent in your complete and utter sociopathy. That's called moral utilitarianism and it requires a moral framework a little more complex than what you learn from Disney films in order to understand --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:901079437] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all</quote> Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it?</quote> Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes</quote> Uhh, well okay then at least you're consistent in your complete and utter sociopathy.</quote> That's called moral utilitarianism and it requires a moral framework a little more complex than what you learn from Disney films in order to understand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/09/18 7:47:52 PM #24:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... ASithLord7 posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... ASithLord7 posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it? Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes Uhh, well okay then at least you're consistent in your complete and utter sociopathy. That's called moral utilitarianism and it requires a moral framework a little more complex than what you learn from Disney films in order to understand See my previous post. --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:901079456] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all</quote> Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it?</quote> Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes</quote> Uhh, well okay then at least you're consistent in your complete and utter sociopathy.</quote> That's called moral utilitarianism and it requires a moral framework a little more complex than what you learn from Disney films in order to understand</quote> See my previous post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/09/18 7:47:56 PM #25:	BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals. Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing. Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all I'm trying to say that because their lives are hunting and being hunted that there's no tragedy in humans hunting them either --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901079462] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals.</quote> Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing.</quote> Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them</quote> You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all</quote> I'm trying to say that because their lives are hunting and being hunted that there's no tragedy in humans hunting them either</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SophieLuvsTofu 05/09/18 7:49:00 PM #26:	REMercsChamp posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals. Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing. Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all I'm trying to say that because their lives are hunting and being hunted that there's no tragedy in humans hunting them either No, that's a flawed logic. There are civilizations that hunt other humans as well. Does that mean returning the hunting to them is fair? We all have inalienable rights. <cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted [p:901079512] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals.</quote> Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing.</quote> Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them</quote> You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all</quote> I'm trying to say that because their lives are hunting and being hunted that there's no tragedy in humans hunting them either</quote> No, that's a flawed logic. There are civilizations that hunt other humans as well. Does that mean returning the hunting to them is fair? We all have inalienable rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 05/09/18 7:49:05 PM #27:	ASithLord7 posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... ASithLord7 posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... ASithLord7 posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it? Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes Uhh, well okay then at least you're consistent in your complete and utter sociopathy. That's called moral utilitarianism and it requires a moral framework a little more complex than what you learn from Disney films in order to understand See my previous post. see mine --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:901079518] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote>Not if you do it as ethically as possible I saw a gif of a deer getting headshot'd and yeah that thing suffered not at all</quote> Is it ethical to shoot a human in the head if they don't suffer or feel it?</quote> Most people will be missed by friends and/or family But if not, then yes</quote> Uhh, well okay then at least you're consistent in your complete and utter sociopathy.</quote> That's called moral utilitarianism and it requires a moral framework a little more complex than what you learn from Disney films in order to understand</quote> See my previous post.</quote> see mine</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 05/09/18 7:50:19 PM #28:	Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:901079561] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 05/09/18 7:50:19 PM #29:	We kinda have to hunt deer. The stupid fucks would destroy entire biospheres without population control. http://huntingandtheenvironment.blogspot.com/2012/12/population-control-pro-hunting.html --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:901079562] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>We kinda have to hunt deer. The stupid fucks would destroy entire biospheres without population control. http://huntingandtheenvironment.blogspot.com/2012/12/population-control-pro-hunting.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/09/18 7:50:27 PM #30:	SophieLuvsTofu posted... REMercsChamp posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals. Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing. Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all I'm trying to say that because their lives are hunting and being hunted that there's no tragedy in humans hunting them either No, that's a flawed logic. There are civilizations that hunt other humans as well. Does that mean returning the hunting to them is fair? We all have inalienable rights. Humans have the capability of being taken out of that life and living civilized. Other animals don't. Their existence will always be rummaging around for food and hunting/being hunted by other lifeforms. --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901079568] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals.</quote> Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing.</quote> Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them</quote> You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all</quote> I'm trying to say that because their lives are hunting and being hunted that there's no tragedy in humans hunting them either</quote> No, that's a flawed logic. There are civilizations that hunt other humans as well. Does that mean returning the hunting to them is fair? We all have inalienable rights.</quote> Humans have the capability of being taken out of that life and living civilized. Other animals don't. Their existence will always be rummaging around for food and hunting/being hunted by other lifeforms.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masticatingman 05/09/18 7:51:17 PM #31:	BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals. Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing. If youre gonna eat meat anyway you may as well hunt and take your role as a carnivore seriously. Men have literally always hunted, Hammurabi didnt decree against it lmao --- I am basically am I. Well, basically. <cite>masticatingman posted [p:901079617] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals.</quote> Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing.</quote> If youre gonna eat meat anyway you may as well hunt and take your role as a carnivore seriously. Men have literally always hunted, Hammurabi didnt decree against it lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 05/09/18 7:51:32 PM #32:	DrizztLink posted... We kinda have to hunt deer. The stupid fucks would destroy entire biospheres without population control. http://huntingandtheenvironment.blogspot.com/2012/12/population-control-pro-hunting.html Kinda makes you wonder how it is that the earth was intact long enough for humans to start hunting them --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:901079628] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>We kinda have to hunt deer. The stupid fucks would destroy entire biospheres without population control. http://huntingandtheenvironment.blogspot.com/2012/12/population-control-pro-hunting.html</quote> Kinda makes you wonder how it is that the earth was intact long enough for humans to start hunting them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SophieLuvsTofu 05/09/18 7:52:17 PM #33:	eston posted... Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral. I get that. I guess just different opinions. Like I find it akin to stealing from another person. Yet, it benefits you, but harms the other. <cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted [p:901079672] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral.</quote> I get that. I guess just different opinions. Like I find it akin to stealing from another person. Yet, it benefits you, but harms the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 05/09/18 7:52:59 PM #34:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... DrizztLink posted... We kinda have to hunt deer. The stupid fucks would destroy entire biospheres without population control. http://huntingandtheenvironment.blogspot.com/2012/12/population-control-pro-hunting.html Kinda makes you wonder how it is that the earth was intact long enough for humans to start hunting them They were hunted and had their population controlled by other animals before humans. Now with humans here that situation is more complicated. --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:901079708] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>We kinda have to hunt deer. The stupid fucks would destroy entire biospheres without population control. http://huntingandtheenvironment.blogspot.com/2012/12/population-control-pro-hunting.html</quote> Kinda makes you wonder how it is that the earth was intact long enough for humans to start hunting them</quote> They were hunted and had their population controlled by other animals before humans. Now with humans here that situation is more complicated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 05/09/18 7:53:50 PM #35:	SophieLuvsTofu posted... eston posted... Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral. I get that. I guess just different opinions. Like I find it akin to stealing from another person. Yet, it benefits you, but harms the other. Yeah by that logic it should be fine to steal from the rich if you're poor. --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:901079744] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral.</quote> I get that. I guess just different opinions. Like I find it akin to stealing from another person. Yet, it benefits you, but harms the other.</quote> Yeah by that logic it should be fine to steal from the rich if you're poor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 05/09/18 7:54:49 PM #36:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... DrizztLink posted... We kinda have to hunt deer. The stupid fucks would destroy entire biospheres without population control. http://huntingandtheenvironment.blogspot.com/2012/12/population-control-pro-hunting.html Kinda makes you wonder how it is that the earth was intact long enough for humans to start hunting them It was pretty much in control until man killed off the wolf and bear population. --- https://i.imgur.com/akpEP6p.gif https://i.imgur.com/hVRNKNs.gif <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:901079789] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote> We kinda have to hunt deer. The stupid fucks would destroy entire biospheres without population control. http://huntingandtheenvironment.blogspot.com/2012/12/population-control-pro-hunting.html</quote> Kinda makes you wonder how it is that the earth was intact long enough for humans to start hunting them</quote> It was pretty much in control until man killed off the wolf and bear population.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SophieLuvsTofu 05/09/18 7:55:44 PM #37:	REMercsChamp posted... SophieLuvsTofu posted... REMercsChamp posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... BJ-blazkowics posted... REMercsChamp posted... Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals. Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing. Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all I'm trying to say that because their lives are hunting and being hunted that there's no tragedy in humans hunting them either No, that's a flawed logic. There are civilizations that hunt other humans as well. Does that mean returning the hunting to them is fair? We all have inalienable rights. Humans have the capability of being taken out of that life and living civilized. Other animals don't. Their existence will always be rummaging around for food and hunting/being hunted by other lifeforms. No I get it and I agree. It's just I don't think that's very fair, aka Immoral. That's why I voted for immoral. <cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted [p:901079838] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BJ-blazkowics posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Immoral? Absolutely not. Hunting and being hunted is the nature of life for all non-human animals.</quote> Praying mantis females decapitate their sexual partners. Male lions pretty much rape female lions. packs of wolves or dogs gang up on the loser of a fight and fuck him up real bad to gain favor with the new leader. when a male lion takes over a new pride he murders the babies of the previous alpha male. female hyenas have a pseudo-penis and they can trap the male's penis and hurt it. male sea horses get pregnant. bonobos walk around rubbing their genitals on other bonobos. We're men, we study, go to school, have laws and drink milk well into adulthood. We do things a little differently, and that's a good thing.</quote> Right, so that's how animals live, so what's so immoral about hunting them</quote> You said that X is normal for animals, so it should be ok for humans too. I explained we do many things differently from them, that's all</quote> I'm trying to say that because their lives are hunting and being hunted that there's no tragedy in humans hunting them either</quote> No, that's a flawed logic. There are civilizations that hunt other humans as well. Does that mean returning the hunting to them is fair? We all have inalienable rights.</quote> Humans have the capability of being taken out of that life and living civilized. Other animals don't. Their existence will always be rummaging around for food and hunting/being hunted by other lifeforms.</quote> No I get it and I agree. It's just I don't think that's very fair, aka Immoral. That's why I voted for immoral.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SophieLuvsTofu 05/09/18 7:56:38 PM #38:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... SophieLuvsTofu posted... eston posted... Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral. I get that. I guess just different opinions. Like I find it akin to stealing from another person. Yet, it benefits you, but harms the other. Yeah by that logic it should be fine to steal from the rich if you're poor. No I guess what I'm saying is neither should steal. I don't find the poor stealing from the rich to be fine nor vice versa. Sorry for the confusing. <cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted [p:901079890] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral.</quote> I get that. I guess just different opinions. Like I find it akin to stealing from another person. Yet, it benefits you, but harms the other.</quote> Yeah by that logic it should be fine to steal from the rich if you're poor.</quote> No I guess what I'm saying is neither should steal. I don't find the poor stealing from the rich to be fine nor vice versa. Sorry for the confusing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/09/18 7:57:45 PM #39:	masticatingman posted... If youre gonna eat meat anyway you may as well hunt and take your role as a carnivore seriously. Men have literally always hunted, Hammurabi didnt decree against it lmao Humans are neither obligate carnivores nor obligate omnivores. --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:901079944] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>masticatingman posted...</cite> <quote>If youre gonna eat meat anyway you may as well hunt and take your role as a carnivore seriously. Men have literally always hunted, Hammurabi didnt decree against it lmao</quote> Humans are neither obligate carnivores nor obligate omnivores.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Typhon 05/09/18 8:02:19 PM #40:	There's nothing wrong with hunting for food. There's nothing wrong with killing in defense of yourself or your loved ones. I can't think of any other justifiable reason to kill. <cite>Typhon posted [p:901080171] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>There's nothing wrong with hunting for food. There's nothing wrong with killing in defense of yourself or your loved ones. I can't think of any other justifiable reason to kill.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Elmdor043 05/09/18 8:05:43 PM #41:	As long as it's not for the sake of killing it and/or making a trophy/clothes/jewels then I see no problem with it. It's leagues more humane than the farm industry so I don't see how anyone who eats meat can complain about it. --- . <cite>Elmdor043 posted [p:901080331] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>As long as it's not for the sake of killing it and/or making a trophy/clothes/jewels then I see no problem with it. It's leagues more humane than the farm industry so I don't see how anyone who eats meat can complain about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 05/09/18 8:05:58 PM #42:	eston posted... I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat Yeah, this. --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:901080345] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>I'm okay with killing them for food, population control, or if there is a viable threat</quote> Yeah, this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 05/09/18 8:24:07 PM #43:	SophieLuvsTofu posted... Giblet_Enjoyer posted... SophieLuvsTofu posted... eston posted... Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral. I get that. I guess just different opinions. Like I find it akin to stealing from another person. Yet, it benefits you, but harms the other. Yeah by that logic it should be fine to steal from the rich if you're poor. No I guess what I'm saying is neither should steal. I don't find the poor stealing from the rich to be fine nor vice versa. Sorry for the confusing. No no, I was referring to eston's logic There's a net benefit in a poor person stealing from a richer person since the poor one needs it more. That should be fine, using his logic (not saying I agree or disagree) --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:901081240] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SophieLuvsTofu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Just using the tools we have. All of the things I mentioned have a net positive in relation to humans. The animals may feel differently. I don't think that makes it immoral.</quote> I get that. I guess just different opinions. Like I find it akin to stealing from another person. Yet, it benefits you, but harms the other.</quote> Yeah by that logic it should be fine to steal from the rich if you're poor.</quote> No I guess what I'm saying is neither should steal. I don't find the poor stealing from the rich to be fine nor vice versa. Sorry for the confusing.</quote> No no, I was referring to eston's logic There's a net benefit in a poor person stealing from a richer person since the poor one needs it more. That should be fine, using his logic (not saying I agree or disagree)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dyinglegacy 05/09/18 8:29:10 PM #44:	Sport killing is kinda annoying. However, as long as you're using it's parts, and it's not a member of the endangered species list, then i don't have issues. --- Voted best user on CE 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 Current e-argument streak: 15008 wins. 0 losses. <cite>Dyinglegacy posted [p:901081511] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>Sport killing is kinda annoying. However, as long as you're using it's parts, and it's not a member of the endangered species list, then i don't have issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 05/09/18 8:30:20 PM #45:	Trophy hunting is fine if conservation is a part of it. A lot of it isnt though, but some of the best conservation efforts come from these hunters --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:901081566] in Is hunting... [t:76593143]...</cite> <quote>Trophy hunting is fine if conservation is a part of it. A lot of it isnt though, but some of the best conservation efforts come from these hunters</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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