Current Events > Are modern universities basically safe space puppy rooms for liberal arts majors

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dameon_reaper posted...

Actually, i find it odd that someone's demonizing liberal arts...I mean..its knowledge.

I think some people just think of Liberal Arts as liberal-indoctrine in the political sense which is wrong.

Liberal Arts is just the idea that everything educational is connected. So you can major in a humanities but you are also going to need some science/math to balance it out along the way and vice-versa.

It's more about getting something of everything to make a more well rounded education rather than solely focusing on one discipline after you finish the pre-requisites.

Either style works differently for different people, but the hate liberal arts get is odd to me.
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Every morning they spend ~$45 in their Starbucks Frankenstein coffee and the avocado diarrhea spread toast at Panera, wonder why they have no money.
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REMercsChamp posted...

dameon_reaper posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

dameon_reaper posted...

ehhwhatever posted...

Kastrada posted...

blablablax17 posted...

1st, some schools are stressful AF.
2nd, even liberal arts students know liberal arts are a joke.

I never got the hate for liberal arts. I went to two liberal arts schools and loved the education.

Can someone fill me in/remedy my ignorance?

Can't you get a fairly high level of education from a library? Like a BA? You're not going to fear reason at least.

A friend of mine has a career in a library and has his master's. He makes a lot of money too.

I didn't even realize something like this until he discussed it with me.

Actually, i find it odd that someone's demonizing liberal arts...I mean..its knowledge.

People are demonizing knowledge.

like what fucking hell.

What kind of knowledge are we talking about here. The kind you get from your hippy Liberal Arts and Sciences professor who tries to brainwash impressionable 19 year olds with communist theory?

No. That would be wrong. There's no "kind of knowledge". Knowledge is simply fact.

Wow who told you that? Your hippy communist Liberal Arts and Sciences professor who has never held down a real job in his life?

well, i go to google and in the definitions section, it says Knowledge - facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.

Like...first word and everything.

SSJ2SocksForWok posted...

Every morning they spend ~$45 in their Starbucks Frankenstein coffee and the avocado diarrhea spread toast at Panera, wonder why they have no money.

Because the university literally forces them to. Like $3000 worth per semester.
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Kastrada posted...

dameon_reaper posted...

Actually, i find it odd that someone's demonizing liberal arts...I mean..its knowledge.

I think some people just think of Liberal Arts as liberal-indoctrine in the political sense which is wrong.

Liberal Arts is just the idea that everything educational is connected. So you can major in a humanities but you are also going to need some science/math to balance it out along the way and vice-versa.

It's more about getting something of everything to make a more well rounded education rather than solely focusing on one discipline after you finish the pre-requisites.

Either style works differently for different people, but the hate liberal arts get is odd to me.

the word liberal makes conservatives' ears hurt and so they hate it to a point that it becomes laughable.

I bet when they take directions, the second they see "You want to make a left" they start veering off the road and hit a sign.

Fuckin liberals
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The Admiral posted...

They have an issue with people who want to turn universities into adult pre-schools and liberal indoctrination centers. Neither of those have anything to do with educating adults.

And when you were attending university, did you see an abundance of these things?
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COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

They have an issue with people who want to turn universities into adult pre-schools and liberal indoctrination centers. Neither of those have anything to do with educating adults.

And when you were attending university, did you see an abundance of these things?

You tell us, you've been a university student for 20 years now
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REMercsChamp posted...

COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

They have an issue with people who want to turn universities into adult pre-schools and liberal indoctrination centers. Neither of those have anything to do with educating adults.

And when you were attending university, did you see an abundance of these things?

You tell us, you've been a university student for 20 years now

If we're volunteering our own experiences as anecdotal evidence (and we really shouldn't, we should really know better), no I didn't see much of this. We had our annual performances of the vagina monologues on Valentine's weekend along with a drive to raise awareness of date rape on campus and we had a couple student demonstrations around the college under reporting report sexual assault stats. Also we did silent vigils outside racist or sexist frat parties.

These things would paint me as pretty far left in the current political climate, but I don't think it's question of politics. I think it's a question of decency.
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COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

They have an issue with people who want to turn universities into adult pre-schools and liberal indoctrination centers. Neither of those have anything to do with educating adults.

And when you were attending university, did you see an abundance of these things?

Implying Admiral has any post-12th grade education tho
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hollow_shrine posted...

We had our annual performances of the vagina monologues

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hollow_shrine posted...

If we're volunteering our own experiences as anecdotal evidence (and we really shouldn't, we should really know better), no I didn't see much of this

Meh, it's telling that the rate of personal experience is more or less 0, yet many perceive it to be an overwhelming issue. I can't think of a better way to get people to think twice about the information bubble they find themselves in.
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ASithLord7 posted...

COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

They have an issue with people who want to turn universities into adult pre-schools and liberal indoctrination centers. Neither of those have anything to do with educating adults.

And when you were attending university, did you see an abundance of these things?

Implying Admiral has any post-12th grade education tho

I love jealous Rebel posts.
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I'd love a puppy room. Why would anybody be against that?
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REMercsChamp posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

We had our annual performances of the vagina monologues

Vagina Monologues are almost entirely student ran with individual faculty helping out. It's not the college indoctrinating students.

My schools were pretty liberal and I had Christian conservative professors who would help with stuff that followed their political view. But I wouldn't see that as indoctrinating either.
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The Admiral posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

They have an issue with people who want to turn universities into adult pre-schools and liberal indoctrination centers. Neither of those have anything to do with educating adults.

And when you were attending university, did you see an abundance of these things?

Implying Admiral has any post-12th grade education tho

I love jealous Rebel posts.

What am I jealous of
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Kastrada posted...

REMercsChamp posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

We had our annual performances of the vagina monologues

Vagina Monologues are almost entirely student ran with individual faculty helping out. It's not the college indoctrinating students.

My schools were pretty liberal and I had Christian conservative professors who would help with stuff that followed their political view. But I wouldn't see that as indoctrinating either.

We didn't have any faculty running ours, though faculty often attended the performances. It was primarily the student women's activist group, the rainbow (an LGBT advocacy group on campus), and the environmental advocacy group. There was a lot of overlap between the groups, which is hardly a surprise. I learned about it sophomore year when I listened to several of my dormmates memorize their monologues for a while and decided to go out to support them.
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Esrac posted...

https://nypost.com/2018/04/26/college-adds-cry-closet-for-stressed-out-students/

If you have to set up an actual closet for students to cry in, maybe things have gone wrong.

lmao we are fucked
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Simpsons summed it up best

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hollow_shrine posted...

We didn't have any faculty running ours, though faculty often attended the performances. It was primarily the student women's activist group, the rainbow (an LGBT advocacy group on campus), and the environmental advocacy group.

I didn't say faculty would be running things, just helping out. And at least for my experience, campus groups need faculty advisers to be an approved group and hold things like that. So at the least there were some faculty members involved with those groups.

How much/how little they did is another thing entirely.
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The Admiral posted...

ASithLord7 posted...

COVxy posted...

The Admiral posted...

They have an issue with people who want to turn universities into adult pre-schools and liberal indoctrination centers. Neither of those have anything to do with educating adults.

And when you were attending university, did you see an abundance of these things?

Implying Admiral has any post-12th grade education tho

I love jealous Rebel posts.

*Swiftly avoiding the question*
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Goats posted...

No it's 2 - 3 wankers who think they have power, get laughed at when they try to do anything, and most people just want to have a quality university/college experience. The right-wing media finds the 1 case out of hundreds of thousands and explodes it to continue their persecution complex narrative.

That one liberal comedian who appeared on INSIGHT or whatever PBS tv program complained about how college kids being in a world of shock once they enter the real world and learn safe spaces aren't a real thing.

Unfortunately a lot of them are. My friend's brother has a joke degree but he's graduating. He's not very bright. He's planning on getting a joke master's to get some job. Not like employers give a shit about qualified candidates anymore anyway.

I probably wouldn't have bothered with a technical school if I knew that it literally didn't matter where or how I got my degrees.
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The problem, such that it is, is incredibly overblown
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/inside_higher_ed/2015/12/trigger_warning_debate_some_professors_say_they_build_trust_others_say_they.html

So far, very few institutions have adopted formal trigger warning policiesjust 1 percent of respondents said they were required to use them. But about 8 percent said that students on their campuses have made efforts to initiate such policies, and 15 percent of respondents said students in their courses had asked for trigger warnings. Twelve percent said students complained about the absence of trigger warnings in their classes.

http://www.aei.org/publication/aei-political-report-polls-on-political-correctness/

Recent protests against speakers at different colleges have raised questions about free speech on campus, with some critics characterizing universities as increasingly intolerant. Polls of college students and young people show little evidence of such a trend, although responses differ depending on the nature of the speech in question. Most say it is important for colleges to create an open learning environment and think universities should allow guest speakers on campus, even if it means allowing speech that is offensive to some people (Knight Foundation/Newseum Institute/Gallup; Morning Consult/Politico). In UCLAs 2015 survey of college freshmen, 43 percent agreed that colleges have the right to ban extreme speakers from campus, a level of agreement little changed in recent years, while seven in 10 said colleges should prohibit racist or sexist speech on campus.

https://niskanencenter.org/blog/there-is-no-campus-free-speech-crisis-a-close-look-at-the-evidence/

The campus free speech debate is heating up. Last month I made the case (first in a Twitter thread and then again at the Washington Posts The Monkey Cage) that there is no campus free speech crisis. Around the same time, similar arguments were made by Matt Yglesias (at Vox), Aaron Hanlon (at NBC), and Mari Uyehara (at GQ). The gist of our collective argument was that young people and university students are generally supportive of free speech, that university enrollment is associated with an increase in tolerance for offensive speech, and that a small number of anecdotes have been permitted to set the terms of public debate
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As this figure shows, not only are the opinions of iGeners within the mainstream, but so is the intensity with which they hold them. In fact, iGeners are less likely to strongly favor speech bans than 25-34 or 45-54 year olds, and are tied with 35-44 year olds. The upshot is that if you were on the hunt for a radical anti-free speech fringe, you would be better off looking among older Millennials or the middle aged.[4]

A decade of data from the Knight Foundation on high school students tells a similar story. Support for the First Amendment is currently at its strongest level yet recorded, with a majority of high schoolers (56%) disagreeing with the statement The First Amendment goes too far in the rights it protects. Note that there is no change during the years when iGen would be entering high school.

These much-ballyhooed stories are reflective of a very small fraction of colleges and college students.
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