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MacadamianNut3 05/03/18 3:59:36 PM #51:	Reis posted... chill02 = Satan confirmed backflip I can agree with this --- Roll Tide & Go Irish <cite>MacadamianNut3 posted [p:900744937] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reis posted...</cite> <quote>chill02 = Satan confirmed</quote> backflip I can agree with this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinobiNinjaX 05/03/18 4:00:50 PM #52:	Loghain posted... So we have free will but everything that has happened and will happen is already predetermined Go to hell for all eternity because you were destined to be a criminal What a swell guy Predetermined how? Just because God knows ahead of time doesn't mean it's predetermined; he simply has knowledge of how events unfold --- Ninja Art: Post Message Jutsu!! <cite>ShinobiNinjaX posted [p:900745014] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote>So we have free will but everything that has happened and will happen is already predetermined Go to hell for all eternity because you were destined to be a criminal What a swell guy</quote> Predetermined how? Just because God knows ahead of time doesn't mean it's predetermined; he simply has knowledge of how events unfold</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Laserion 05/03/18 4:01:43 PM #53:	The devil mentioned in the NT could very well be the creator God of the OT. When the devil takes Jesus to a mountain top to offer him the world, it's because he (the devil) is the owner (he created it). The Father of which Jesus speaks is someone else above the material creator. Jesus is trying to teach us how to escape the reincarnation-cycle prison and get back to (the real)God. Notice how the OT is more material/mortal focused, while the NT is more afterlife/spirit focused? --- There is no "would of", "should of" or "could of". There is "would've", "should've" and "could've". <cite>Laserion posted [p:900745076] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>The devil mentioned in the NT could very well be the creator God of the OT. When the devil takes Jesus to a mountain top to offer him the world, it's because he (the devil) is the owner (he created it). The Father of which Jesus speaks is someone else above the material creator. Jesus is trying to teach us how to escape the reincarnation-cycle prison and get back to (the real)God. Notice how the OT is more material/mortal focused, while the NT is more afterlife/spirit focused?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 4:02:03 PM #54:	Either way, the concept of an eternal paradise or hell is baffling when you realize you'll get rewarded or punished for what you did during a timeframe that barely lasts a blink of an eye compared to eternity --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900745087] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>Either way, the concept of an eternal paradise or hell is baffling when you realize you'll get rewarded or punished for what you did during a timeframe that barely lasts a blink of an eye compared to eternity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 4:02:24 PM #55:	ShinobiNinjaX posted... Loghain posted... So we have free will but everything that has happened and will happen is already predetermined Go to hell for all eternity because you were destined to be a criminal What a swell guy Predetermined how? Just because God knows ahead of time doesn't mean it's predetermined; he simply has knowledge of how events unfold So he already knows whether I'll go to heaven or hell, so why bother going through the human experience when apparently heaven is way better than Earth. If you die as a baby you get in for free and negated any chances of being able to do anything to damn yourself --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900745107] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShinobiNinjaX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote>So we have free will but everything that has happened and will happen is already predetermined Go to hell for all eternity because you were destined to be a criminal What a swell guy</quote> Predetermined how? Just because God knows ahead of time doesn't mean it's predetermined; he simply has knowledge of how events unfold</quote> So he already knows whether I'll go to heaven or hell, so why bother going through the human experience when apparently heaven is way better than Earth. If you die as a baby you get in for free and negated any chances of being able to do anything to damn yourself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FairyLeviathan 05/03/18 4:11:52 PM #56:	Romans 9:20-21 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? <cite>FairyLeviathan posted [p:900745634] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>Romans 9:20-21 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 4:17:20 PM #57:	FairyLeviathan posted... Romans 9:20-21 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Don't drag Shakespheare into this --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900745888] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>FairyLeviathan posted...</cite> <quote>Romans 9:20-21 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?</quote> Don't drag Shakespheare into this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FairyLeviathan 05/03/18 4:19:22 PM #58:	Laserion posted... The devil mentioned in the NT could very well be the creator God of the OT. When the devil takes Jesus to a mountain top to offer him the world, it's because he (the devil) is the owner (he created it). The Father of which Jesus speaks is someone else above the material creator. Jesus is trying to teach us how to escape the reincarnation-cycle prison and get back to (the real)God. Notice how the OT is more material/mortal focused, while the NT is more afterlife/spirit focused? John 8:47-59 directly contradicts this theory. <cite>FairyLeviathan posted [p:900745991] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Laserion posted...</cite> <quote>The devil mentioned in the NT could very well be the creator God of the OT. When the devil takes Jesus to a mountain top to offer him the world, it's because he (the devil) is the owner (he created it). The Father of which Jesus speaks is someone else above the material creator. Jesus is trying to teach us how to escape the reincarnation-cycle prison and get back to (the real)God. Notice how the OT is more material/mortal focused, while the NT is more afterlife/spirit focused?</quote> John 8:47-59 directly contradicts this theory.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinobiNinjaX 05/03/18 4:26:17 PM #59:	Loghain posted... ShinobiNinjaX posted... Loghain posted... So we have free will but everything that has happened and will happen is already predetermined Go to hell for all eternity because you were destined to be a criminal What a swell guy Predetermined how? Just because God knows ahead of time doesn't mean it's predetermined; he simply has knowledge of how events unfold So he already knows whether I'll go to heaven or hell, so why bother going through the human experience when apparently heaven is way better than Earth. If you die as a baby you get in for free and negated any chances of being able to do anything to damn yourself What's the alternative? Suddenly have everyone who will exist just pop into heaven or hell with no life memory? Or implant memory into everyone and tell them, "this is what you would have done, so here you are"? --- Ninja Art: Post Message Jutsu!! <cite>ShinobiNinjaX posted [p:900746383] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShinobiNinjaX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote>So we have free will but everything that has happened and will happen is already predetermined Go to hell for all eternity because you were destined to be a criminal What a swell guy</quote> Predetermined how? Just because God knows ahead of time doesn't mean it's predetermined; he simply has knowledge of how events unfold</quote> So he already knows whether I'll go to heaven or hell, so why bother going through the human experience when apparently heaven is way better than Earth. If you die as a baby you get in for free and negated any chances of being able to do anything to damn yourself</quote> What's the alternative? Suddenly have everyone who will exist just pop into heaven or hell with no life memory? Or implant memory into everyone and tell them, "this is what you would have done, so here you are"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 4:30:27 PM #60:	The alternative is just to keep everyone in heaven without being born at all because then no one would suffer or be at risk of being sent to hell --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900746615] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>The alternative is just to keep everyone in heaven without being born at all because then no one would suffer or be at risk of being sent to hell</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cheater87 05/03/18 4:31:15 PM #61:	Satan wanted people to have knowledge, God didn't. --- http://i.imgur.com/OlAyuQb.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KnLuqux.jpg <cite>Cheater87 posted [p:900746664] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>Satan wanted people to have knowledge, God didn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 4:33:11 PM #62:	Satan was the first rebel Rebellion brings upon change Ergo, the United States would not exist without the devil --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900746791] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>Satan was the first rebel Rebellion brings upon change Ergo, the United States would not exist without the devil</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinobiNinjaX 05/03/18 4:36:22 PM #63:	Loghain posted... The alternative is just to keep everyone in heaven without being born at all because then no one would suffer or be at risk of being sent to hell I don't think we originated in heaven to begin with though --- Ninja Art: Post Message Jutsu!! <cite>ShinobiNinjaX posted [p:900746939] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote>The alternative is just to keep everyone in heaven without being born at all because then no one would suffer or be at risk of being sent to hell</quote> I don't think we originated in heaven to begin with though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinobiNinjaX 05/03/18 4:39:44 PM #64:	Cheater87 posted... Satan wanted people to have knowledge, God didn't. Satan wanted people to disobey God and unlock the ability to sin, thus opening the door for humans to burn in hell with him in the end. Hell was originally for Satan and demons. --- Ninja Art: Post Message Jutsu!! <cite>ShinobiNinjaX posted [p:900747103] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cheater87 posted...</cite> <quote>Satan wanted people to have knowledge, God didn't.</quote> Satan wanted people to disobey God and unlock the ability to sin, thus opening the door for humans to burn in hell with him in the end. Hell was originally for Satan and demons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 5:06:11 PM #65:	But God knew it would happen and still allowed it to happen --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900748509] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>But God knew it would happen and still allowed it to happen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShinobiNinjaX 05/03/18 5:13:21 PM #66:	Loghain posted... But God knew it would happen and still allowed it to happen It sounds like you'd rather us be God's puppets rather than thinking, acting, and experiencing life for ourselves --- Ninja Art: Post Message Jutsu!! <cite>ShinobiNinjaX posted [p:900748903] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote>But God knew it would happen and still allowed it to happen</quote> It sounds like you'd rather us be God's puppets rather than thinking, acting, and experiencing life for ourselves</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 5:18:49 PM #67:	No, I'm saying if we really have agency then God couldn't possibly know what I will be doing 5 years from now --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900749169] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>No, I'm saying if we really have agency then God couldn't possibly know what I will be doing 5 years from now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 05/03/18 5:45:45 PM #68:	Loghain posted... ShinobiNinjaX posted... Loghain posted... So we have free will but everything that has happened and will happen is already predetermined Go to hell for all eternity because you were destined to be a criminal What a swell guy Predetermined how? Just because God knows ahead of time doesn't mean it's predetermined; he simply has knowledge of how events unfold So he already knows whether I'll go to heaven or hell, so why bother going through the human experience when apparently heaven is way better than Earth. If you die as a baby you get in for free and negated any chances of being able to do anything to damn yourself Think of it like a game with multiple endings. He knows all the endings but you still have the choice of which one you will end up with. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:900750572] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShinobiNinjaX posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote>So we have free will but everything that has happened and will happen is already predetermined Go to hell for all eternity because you were destined to be a criminal What a swell guy</quote> Predetermined how? Just because God knows ahead of time doesn't mean it's predetermined; he simply has knowledge of how events unfold</quote> So he already knows whether I'll go to heaven or hell, so why bother going through the human experience when apparently heaven is way better than Earth. If you die as a baby you get in for free and negated any chances of being able to do anything to damn yourself</quote> Think of it like a game with multiple endings. He knows all the endings but you still have the choice of which one you will end up with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 5:46:17 PM #69:	Life is not a game --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900750595] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>Life is not a game</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 05/03/18 5:50:42 PM #70:	Loghain posted... Life is not a game It literally is, and no I don't mean the board game. We are just NPCs in a massive game. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:900750817] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote>Life is not a game</quote> It literally is, and no I don't mean the board game. We are just NPCs in a massive game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 6:00:07 PM #71:	No. There are no win conditions. The only failure state is death. --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900751263] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>No. There are no win conditions. The only failure state is death.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 05/03/18 6:09:23 PM #72:	Loghain posted... No. There are no win conditions. The only failure state is death. We are not the main characters so why would we have win conditions? Like I said, we are just NPCs. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:900751678] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote>No. There are no win conditions. The only failure state is death.</quote> We are not the main characters so why would we have win conditions? Like I said, we are just NPCs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/03/18 6:10:23 PM #73:	So life didn't make sense before Pong --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900751722] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>So life didn't make sense before Pong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 05/03/18 6:19:49 PM #74:	Laserion posted... The devil mentioned in the NT could very well be the creator God of the OT. When the devil takes Jesus to a mountain top to offer him the world, it's because he (the devil) is the owner (he created it). The Father of which Jesus speaks is someone else above the material creator. Jesus is trying to teach us how to escape the reincarnation-cycle prison and get back to (the real)God. Notice how the OT is more material/mortal focused, while the NT is more afterlife/spirit focused? Gnosticism? --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:900752151] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Laserion posted...</cite> <quote>The devil mentioned in the NT could very well be the creator God of the OT. When the devil takes Jesus to a mountain top to offer him the world, it's because he (the devil) is the owner (he created it). The Father of which Jesus speaks is someone else above the material creator. Jesus is trying to teach us how to escape the reincarnation-cycle prison and get back to (the real)God. Notice how the OT is more material/mortal focused, while the NT is more afterlife/spirit focused?</quote> Gnosticism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 05/03/18 6:42:36 PM #75:	Loghain posted... So life didn't make sense before Pong Before that we were just background characters in a story. It is all the same analogy. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:900753294] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote><cite>Loghain posted...</cite> <quote>So life didn't make sense before Pong</quote> Before that we were just background characters in a story. It is all the same analogy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/04/18 6:41:39 PM #76:	Ave Satanus --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900808243] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>Ave Satanus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 05/04/18 6:45:35 PM #77:	That's pretty much the foundation of deistic Satanism, as well as several works of fiction such as Paradise Lost. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:900808417] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>That's pretty much the foundation of deistic Satanism, as well as several works of fiction such as Paradise Lost.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lordgold666 05/04/18 6:58:15 PM #78:	Satan has been the longest running supporter of lgbt ppl --- Xbox GT: l0rdg0ld666 \| 3DS FC: 1848-2391-0198 [LXGC] - Lethal Xbox Gaming crew <cite>Lordgold666 posted [p:900809063] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>Satan has been the longest running supporter of lgbt ppl</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Loghain 05/04/18 6:59:21 PM #79:	Satan doesn't care about how you lead your life --- You must gather your party before venturing forth <cite>Loghain posted [p:900809112] in What if Sa... [t:76572730]...</cite> <quote>Satan doesn't care about how you lead your life</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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