Current Events > Thanos with no stones vs Hulk really pissed off?

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Thanos. The whole point of that scene was he didn't even use the stones because he's that badass.
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Thanos turns him into the Culk again
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s0nicfan posted...

Thanos. The whole point of that scene was he didn't even use the stones because he's that badass.

Didn't he have the power stone? That's just a passive buff to strength, I thought that was the whole point of the scene. You don't have to activate the stone to be able to use the passive strength.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Thanos. The whole point of that scene was he didn't even use the stones because he's that badass.

Didn't he have the power stone? That's just a passive buff to strength, I thought that was the whole point of the scene. You don't have to activate the stone to be able to use the passive strength.

In the movie every time he used any stone he explicitly activated it and it came with a visual effect. He used the power stone like a moment later to burn the ship down with the same purple flames that appeared when Ronan used it.

That was a straight up Thanos-being-Thanos mauling.
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s0nicfan posted...

Rainbow_Dashing posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Thanos. The whole point of that scene was he didn't even use the stones because he's that badass.

Didn't he have the power stone? That's just a passive buff to strength, I thought that was the whole point of the scene. You don't have to activate the stone to be able to use the passive strength.

In the movie every time he used any stone he explicitly activated it and it came with a visual effect. He used the power stone like a moment later to burn the ship down with the same purple flames that appeared when Ronan used it.

That was a straight up Thanos-being-Thanos mauling.

You're not even arguing the passive benefits of the stone. You don't have to ACTIVATE it to use the PASSIVE benefits. It just makes you stronger when you have it in your possession, nothing is required, you're just straight up stronger with it on you. If I saw Thanos with no gauntlet take down the Hulk I'd agree, but there's a reason why he had the glove on.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Rainbow_Dashing posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Thanos. The whole point of that scene was he didn't even use the stones because he's that badass.

Didn't he have the power stone? That's just a passive buff to strength, I thought that was the whole point of the scene. You don't have to activate the stone to be able to use the passive strength.

In the movie every time he used any stone he explicitly activated it and it came with a visual effect. He used the power stone like a moment later to burn the ship down with the same purple flames that appeared when Ronan used it.

That was a straight up Thanos-being-Thanos mauling.

You're not even arguing the passive benefits of the stone. You don't have to ACTIVATE it to use the PASSIVE benefits. It just makes you stronger when you have it in your possession, nothing is required, you're just straight up stronger with it on you. If I saw Thanos with no gauntlet take down the Hulk I'd agree, but there's a reason why he had the glove on.

I'm arguing the movie, not the comic. There ARE no passive benefits to the stones in the movie.
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It was just Thanos doing his thing. He didn't use the power stone there.
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s0nicfan posted...

Rainbow_Dashing posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Rainbow_Dashing posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Thanos. The whole point of that scene was he didn't even use the stones because he's that badass.

Didn't he have the power stone? That's just a passive buff to strength, I thought that was the whole point of the scene. You don't have to activate the stone to be able to use the passive strength.

In the movie every time he used any stone he explicitly activated it and it came with a visual effect. He used the power stone like a moment later to burn the ship down with the same purple flames that appeared when Ronan used it.

That was a straight up Thanos-being-Thanos mauling.

You're not even arguing the passive benefits of the stone. You don't have to ACTIVATE it to use the PASSIVE benefits. It just makes you stronger when you have it in your possession, nothing is required, you're just straight up stronger with it on you. If I saw Thanos with no gauntlet take down the Hulk I'd agree, but there's a reason why he had the glove on.

I'm arguing the movie, not the comic. There ARE no passive benefits to the stones in the movie.

i'd argue that Ronan had passive benefit on GotG, but i need to rewatch it first.
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s0nicfan posted...

I'm arguing the movie, not the comic. There ARE no passive benefits to the stones in the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-4DFTX8yE" data-time="

That looks like passive benefits to me.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I'm arguing the movie, not the comic. There ARE no passive benefits to the stones in the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-4DFTX8yE" data-time="

That looks like passive benefits to me.

Do you see that LARGE PURPLE GLOW around the stone in the hammer that Ronan is actively gripping? Go back and watch the new movie and watch how, as Thanos uses each stone, that individual stone lights up on the gauntlet.
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s0nicfan posted...

Rainbow_Dashing posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I'm arguing the movie, not the comic. There ARE no passive benefits to the stones in the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-4DFTX8yE" data-time="

That looks like passive benefits to me.

Do you see that LARGE PURPLE GLOW around the stone in the hammer that Ronan is actively gripping? Go back and watch the new movie and watch how, as Thanos uses each stone, that individual stone lights up on the gauntlet.

I mean I don't see him activating it, it's just there glowing and looking pretty as most stones do. In the fight in the movie, you barely even have time to see the stones on his hands, but they're usually always glowing regardless. You only see him activate them and a blatant effect, but it doesn't mean when you're passively using them they have to have a giant wooshing glowing effect.

I really do think the point of the scene was to display how strong he is vs the hulk who we know as the strongest. If he's chumped by a guy with the power stone then no one else is stronger.
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The whole point of that scene was that he never used it. Hell, Ebony Maw told them to let him have his fun. If he was using it, it wouldn't be fun.
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Hulk has to be at his most savage to stand toe to toe with Thanos in the comics, I'm pretty sure.

If MCU Hulk is anything like comic Hulk, the fact that he is becoming "aware" greatly weakens him, in actuality.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Thanos. The whole point of that scene was he didn't even use the stones because he's that badass.

Didn't he have the power stone? That's just a passive buff to strength, I thought that was the whole point of the scene. You don't have to activate the stone to be able to use the passive strength.

Ok, let's say the stone did give him a passive strength buff like you say. Then how strong would Thanos be without it?

Swagnificent119 posted...

Hulk has to be at his most savage to stand toe to toe with Thanos in the comics, I'm pretty sure.

If MCU Hulk is anything like comic Hulk, the fact that he is becoming "aware" greatly weakens him, in actuality.

Grey Hulk incoming
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I disagree, but I don't think we're gonna get any farther in progress arguing this. The only way I'd ever be convinced is if we saw him take on Hulk without a gauntlet and do the same. But since all we saw was him just treating the hulk like it was nothing and seeing a HUGE disparity of strength that seems to be unexplained, because as far as we know hulk WAS the strongest character that we know. I'm just forced to believe that the stone amped up Thanos' strength to the point of making the Hulk look like a baby. Hence him "having his fun" with someone who was the strongest now seeming so weak because he has the stone. It's really hard for me to believe otherwise.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

I disagree, but I don't think we're gonna get any farther in progress arguing this. The only way I'd ever be convinced is if we saw him take on Hulk without a gauntlet and do the same. But since all we saw was him just treating the hulk like it was nothing and seeing a HUGE disparity of strength that seems to be unexplained, because as far as we know hulk WAS the strongest character that we know. I'm just forced to believe that the stone amped up Thanos' strength to the point of making the Hulk look like a baby. Hence him "having his fun" with someone who was the strongest now seeming so weak because he has the stone. It's really hard for me to believe otherwise.

There is literally no evidence that there are any passive benefits.
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I don't even think the strength disparity was that huge. Thanos wasn't beating him through brute strength. He was out-fighting him and Hulk could barely get a hit in. He was fighting with his natural talent.
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ToastyOne posted...

Ok, let's say the stone did give him a passive strength buff like you say. Then how strong would Thanos be without it?

I honestly have no clue, but I legitimately think he'd be about as strong if not weaker than hulk but not enough to treat the guy like a ragdoll. Dude's insanely smart and agile. You saw him boxing, he'd probably tactically take him out instead of just outright overpowering the guy. It'd be much more even than just a rofl stomp.
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People who find Hulk being defeated by Thanos unbelievable confuse me, as it seems they know about his limitless strength potential without any actual knowledge of how it works.
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dave_is_slick posted...

There is literally no evidence that there are any passive benefits.

There just are no passive benefits anywhere otherwise that fucking bullshit that happened on Titan would have lasted 2 seconds

As a matter of fact, not only are there no passive benefits the heroes actively prevent him from making a first to stop him from using the stones

You're not going to find more concrete evidence than that.
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dave_is_slick posted...

There is literally no evidence that there are any passive benefits.

I mean I only posted a video where Ronan just tanks a missile without intentionally activating the stone but having it in his possession but sure we can say there's no evidence, and we can argue about what consists of activating it. But I mean I don't think I'm gonna stand down for this. Thanos is strong, but not enough to just casually just slap away hulk's punches with seemingly no effort.

Darmik posted...

I don't even think the strength disparity was that huge. Thanos wasn't beating him through brute strength. He was out-fighting him and Hulk could barely get a hit in. He was fighting with his natural talent.

That's why I'd agree that tactically he'd win out without the stone, but with the stone you get what you saw in the movie. Thanos just slapping away Hulk's punches without any effort. Who can you say does that? It takes A LOT of strength to be able to do that.
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Saying he did that with no effort is a bit of a stretch.
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Hulk has never been shown as the limitless potential powerhouse in the MCU that he is in the comics. At least not yet.

I don't really understand why people have such a hard time with Hulk being beaten by Thanos when he has been shown to have trouble with Abomination, Thor, Hulkbuster armor, etc. etc.

This honestly feels like a complaint that comes about from watching Youtube videos and reading Imgur Marvel "facts" without any context.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

There is literally no evidence that there are any passive benefits.

There just are no passive benefits anywhere otherwise that fucking bullshit that happened on Titan would have lasted 2 seconds

As a matter of fact, not only are there no passive benefits the heroes actively prevent him from making a first to stop him from using the stones

You're not going to find more concrete evidence than that.

That second line there, you kind of have me there, not to mention Stark's hand blocking thinger. That just causes confusion.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

That's why I'd agree that tactically he'd win out without the stone, but with the stone you get what you saw in the movie. Thanos just slapping away Hulk's punches without any effort. Who can you say does that? It takes A LOT of strength to be able to do that.

Thanos does that. Hulk and The Avengers haven't really fought anyone like him before. Brute strength is usually enough. The introduction for Thanos tells you it isn't even enough to stop him when he's barely trying.

Also that would mean the Hulk would stop being scared of Thanos if he lost the power stone. I doubt that's the case.
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Thanos is extremely powerful without the Infinity stones. He's not good just because he has them. In the comics the Silver Surfer is the one who gets his ass kicked and warns everyone.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

I mean I only posted a video where Ronan just tanks a missile without intentionally activating the stone

It does not, and never has, worked that way. That purple glow was it activated. There was no purple glow when he whooped the Hulk. That scene had two purposes, show how much of a physical threat Thanos was and to show that he's no slouch when it came to getting the stones himself.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Saying he did that with no effort is a bit of a stretch.

Did you see him slap Hulk's punches away with no effort?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpm-Ote1474" data-time="

Doesn't even struggle, dude stood NO chance at all despite throwing punches. Nothing came through. That only happens if there's a MASSIVE strength disparity.
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i thought hulk had to get angry to get stronger.

clearly he wasn't angry enough.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

I mean I only posted a video where Ronan just tanks a missile without intentionally activating the stone but having it in his possession but sure we can say there's no evidence, and we can argue about what consists of activating it. But I mean I don't think I'm gonna stand down for this. Thanos is strong, but not enough to just casually just slap away hulk's punches with seemingly no effort.

Do you not see the bigass purple glow on his hammer?

And how said bigass purple glow WASN'T on the gauntlet during the fight?
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Honestly the Power Stone is just portrayed too inconsistently in these movies to really grasp it anyway. Hell later in the movie it just trips people.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Saying he did that with no effort is a bit of a stretch.

Did you see him slap Hulk's punches away with no effort?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpm-Ote1474" data-time="

Doesn't even struggle, dude stood NO chance at all despite throwing punches. Nothing came through. That only happens if there's a MASSIVE strength disparity.

Or he knows how to actually fight and use his opponents momentum against them.
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ANYWAY

Worldbreaker Hulk is the strongest version of Hulk.

If it's just a fist fight the world breaker OHKO Thanos.

Realistically Thanos wouldn't fight the Hulk with fists. He'd use his mental Powers on him.
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People need to come to terms with the fact that Thanos isn't "normal"

In the comics he's literally a mutant of the Titan race. He's much much stronger and durable than a normal Titan and I'm pretty sure they were strong and durable as fuck anyways.

Would Thor with Stormbreaker kill Thanos? The movie gives that impression.
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

Did you see him slap Hulk's punches away with no effort?

Yeah after the Hulk was staggering around dazed and confused like Connor McGregor shortly before he lost.
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This isn't an RPG

There are no passive benefits
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dave_is_slick posted...

Rainbow_Dashing posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Saying he did that with no effort is a bit of a stretch.

Did you see him slap Hulk's punches away with no effort?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpm-Ote1474" data-time="

Doesn't even struggle, dude stood NO chance at all despite throwing punches. Nothing came through. That only happens if there's a MASSIVE strength disparity.

Or he knows how to actually fight and use his opponents momentum against them.

Yeah, after watching it, refreshing my memory, Thanos clearly knows how to fight and used Hulk's momentum against him. You don't need to be stronger than your opponent to do that.
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Darmik posted...

Would Thor with Stormbreaker kill Thanos? The movie gives that impression.

Thor is strong enough to do it with his fists. Just not strong enough to do it while he had the Gauntlet.

As a matter of fact the scene that ends the fight in the comic is Thor driving Thanos face into the ground as he was making a run for the Gauntlet. That gives Adam Warlock enough time to grab it
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Rainbow_Dashing posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...

Saying he did that with no effort is a bit of a stretch.

Did you see him slap Hulk's punches away with no effort?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpm-Ote1474" data-time="

Doesn't even struggle, dude stood NO chance at all despite throwing punches. Nothing came through. That only happens if there's a MASSIVE strength disparity.

Thanos is probably far, far better at hand to hand combat. It wasn't so much him using his strength to beat his ass, he was making Hulk miss and countering. Yea he pushed back the first punch but that doesn't necessarily mean massive strength disparity.

Hulk just tries to destroy everything with brute strength, that won't work against an equally powerful opponent who is also a much better/more tactical when it comes to hand to hand combat.
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Who are the list of MCU heroes who could beat Thanos with no gauntlet? Could Scarlett Witch do it? She seems like she should be more overpowered than she actually is.
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Darmik posted...

Who are the list of MCU heroes who could beat Thanos with no gauntlet? Could Scarlett Witch do it? She seems like she should be more overpowered than she actually is.

MCU Scarlett Witch is a glass canon for sure. If Thanos so much as touches her it is over I'd think.
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Dr. Strange would be a contender, I think.

What if Ant-man shrunk, snuck into his ear and then enlarged
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Alright, I think I'm done here. It's all good, we'll all perceive the movie how we want to see it. I don't think we can convince each other anymore. The only thing that really does get me is when everyone is trying to grab the gauntlet off and Stark jamming his hand with a simple device. But the dude was practically sedated and strong enough to hold off a ton of people focused on his hand.
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Darmik posted...

Who are the list of MCU heroes who could beat Thanos with no gauntlet? Could Scarlett Witch do it? She seems like she should be more overpowered than she actually is.

Thor, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel.

In the comics Scarlet Witch is much more powerful, stronger than Strange even. MCU Scarlet Witch is just kind of a shitty iron Man that can't fly and has no durability.

Hulk can potentially do it. He fucking almost knocked over surtr but his strength isn't constant.
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Hulk in MCU is severely nerfed, I don't know if it's meant to be in general or if it's because he isn't as angry anymore.

The problem with Hulk is that the angrier he gets, the stronger he gets, but the more wild he gets. And Thanos is smart enough to not get into a fist fight with a Hulk who is going wild with that strength.