Current Events > I always wonder why MMOFPS games never became a thing

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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 4:40:41 PM
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Natural map changes when capturing/losing and advancing/retreating to linked maps
Continent sized maps
Persistent, meaningful objectives, so even after a "map change" everything you had won is still there to make use of and for someone to try to contest again
No round resets
Constant action
Massive battles
More strategic, global warfare
Team loyalty

Maybe when people get tired of Battle Royale someone will try to do what PlanetSide did perfectly in 2004 and make it popular finally
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Loghain
05/01/18 4:44:13 PM
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The Division?
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Warrior_Man
05/01/18 4:45:40 PM
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Tabula Rasa tried but it was pretty bad
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Shadow-Moses
05/01/18 4:47:16 PM
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Loghain posted...
The Division?


Isn't that third person?
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 4:47:59 PM
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Loghain posted...
The Division?

Nope

Only MMOFPS games in existence are Battleground Europe, PlanetSide, and PlanetSide 2. PlanetSide 2 just barely counts due to its lack of continental links
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Loghain
05/01/18 4:48:04 PM
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Shadow-Moses posted...
Loghain posted...
The Division?


Isn't that third person?

True, but everything else applies
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sktgamer_13dude
05/01/18 4:48:10 PM
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Destiny tried but Bungie got infected by Activision.
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ROBANN_88
05/01/18 4:48:47 PM
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 4:49:08 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Destiny tried but Bungie got infected by Activision.

Destiny PvP is only 3v3 and the devs said it's not an MMO

True MMOFPS have no PVE
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CountDog
05/01/18 4:51:10 PM
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sktgamer_13dude
05/01/18 4:51:31 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Destiny tried but Bungie got infected by Activision.

Destiny PvP is only 3v3 and the devs said it's not an MMO

True MMOFPS have no PVE

No its not. Its 4v4 and Destiny 1 was 6v6. And yes, MMOs have PvE.
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 4:51:42 PM
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CountDog posted...
MAG

Heavily instanced console exclusive
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uwnim
05/01/18 4:52:36 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...

True MMOFPS have no PVE

Sounds terrible. I only really like PVE.
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COVxy
05/01/18 4:53:28 PM
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Destiny was the closest thing we had.
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 4:55:17 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
No its not. Its 4v4 and Destiny 1 was 6v6.

Oh. I barely played the Destiny 2 beta so my numbers were off a little.

And yes, MMOs have PvE.

PVE is not a requirement of MMO gameplay.

COVxy posted...
Destiny was the closest thing we had.

Read more of the topic before posting silly things
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COVxy
05/01/18 4:56:39 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
PVE is not a requirement of MMO gameplay


I mean, PvE is usually the main component of an MMO. PvP most often being an afterthought.
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COVxy
05/01/18 4:58:17 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
Read more of the topic before posting silly things


Said the dude that said:

TheMarthKoopa posted...
True MMOFPS have no PVE


Lol.
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 4:59:21 PM
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COVxy posted...
I mean, PvE is usually the main component of an MMO.

The only components of an MMO are server size and world persistence

The 3 MMOFPS games in existence have no NPCs anywhere in them to promote PVE gameplay
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COVxy
05/01/18 5:01:24 PM
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More or less you are requesting an FPS game with no limit on server size. Seems stupid, not really a different genre, just a poorly constructed FPS game.
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sktgamer_13dude
05/01/18 5:03:13 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
COVxy posted...
I mean, PvE is usually the main component of an MMO.

The only components of an MMO are server size and world persistence

The 3 MMOFPS games in existence have no NPCs anywhere in them to promote PVE gameplay

Destiny has NPCs and is a MMOFPS. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it isnt true.
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Pitlord_Special
05/01/18 5:05:55 PM
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Combination of most folks not wanting to put the effort for large scale coordination and teamwork plus wanting to feel like their individual contribution is more substantial than just being a grunt in a war of attrition
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 5:08:40 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Destiny has NPCs and is a MMOFPS. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it isnt true.

Explain to me how a game that is delivered through matchmaking interfaces rather than an open world counts as an MMO

COVxy posted...
More or less you are requesting an FPS game with no limit on server size. Seems stupid, not really a different genre, just a poorly constructed FPS game.

You're free to look up information regarding Battleground Europe, PlanetSide, or PlanetSide 2 to get an idea of what an MMOFPS is like. Seems you're misunderstanding it.
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Kaiganeer
05/01/18 5:10:05 PM
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to this day someone, somewhere is still playing gunz

they're really good
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 5:11:00 PM
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Kaiganeer posted...
to this day someone, somewhere is still playing gunz

they're really good

Does nobody understand what MMO means?
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COVxy
05/01/18 5:16:43 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
Kaiganeer posted...
to this day someone, somewhere is still playing gunz

they're really good

Does nobody understand what MMO means?


If the number of possible people doesn't effect gameplay then it doesn't matter.

The vast majority of content in WoW can and usually is completed with a small troupe of 5 or less. So, really, who the fuck cares? Except you who, my guess is, vastly overestimates the success of trying to plop some number of varying number of players into a vast space and expecting them to coalesce and war.
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 5:22:27 PM
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COVxy posted...
If the number of possible people doesn't effect gameplay then it doesn't matter.

Number of players greatly affects the gameplay of FPS. You don't know how it can because you obviously haven't played an MMOFPS

The vast majority of content in WoW can and usually is completed with a small troupe of 5 or less

Yea? And what does that have to do with FPS? WoW is an RPG, I'm sure you know

So, really, who the fuck cares? Except you who, my guess is, vastly overestimates the success of trying to plop some number of varying number of players into a vast space and expecting them to coalesce and war.

If you've never played PlanetSide, even the disappointing sequel, you can't be making assumptions of how the game will work or not. PlanetSide was beautifully structured to facilitate FPS warfare on a global level.
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Tyranthraxus
05/01/18 5:24:09 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
TheMarthKoopa posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
Destiny tried but Bungie got infected by Activision.

Destiny PvP is only 3v3 and the devs said it's not an MMO

True MMOFPS have no PVE

No its not. Its 4v4 and Destiny 1 was 6v6. And yes, MMOs have PvE.


ITP: Diablo 3 is an MMO
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Tyranthraxus
05/01/18 5:25:27 PM
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COVxy posted...
TheMarthKoopa posted...
Kaiganeer posted...
to this day someone, somewhere is still playing gunz

they're really good

Does nobody understand what MMO means?


If the number of possible people doesn't effect gameplay then it doesn't matter.

The vast majority of content in WoW can and usually is completed with a small troupe of 5 or less. So, really, who the fuck cares? Except you who, my guess is, vastly overestimates the success of trying to plop some number of varying number of players into a vast space and expecting them to coalesce and war.


Yeah fuck words. I'm going to go play the latest single player hack-n-slash Counter Strike: Global Offensive.
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sktgamer_13dude
05/01/18 9:19:23 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
Explain to me how a game that is delivered through matchmaking interfaces rather than an open world counts as an MMO

You do realize there's multiple open world things right? All the patrols are all open world and the social spaces are open world.

Just because you know nothing about a game doesn't mean you're the expert on it. Destiny is a MMOFPS.
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 9:28:12 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
You do realize there's multiple open world things right? All the patrols are all open world and the social spaces are open world.

I don't realize it because the open beta didn't present any open world content at the beginning, just a matchmaking interface.

Just because you know nothing about a game doesn't mean you're the expert on it. Destiny is a MMOFPS.

The developers say otherwise, and the PVP doesn't qualify it for this topic anyway. I don't give a shit about PVE shooters
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sktgamer_13dude
05/01/18 11:44:38 PM
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"Guys the beta didn't show the full game, it's not a MMOFPS!!!!"

Maybe play the game and know it before you say stupid shit like that.
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 11:46:04 PM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
"Guys the beta didn't show the full game, it's not a MMOFPS!!!!"

Maybe play the game and know it before you say stupid shit like that.

Usually betas for MMOs drop you right into the world, not give you an instanced matchmaking UI
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Zeeak4444
05/01/18 11:49:12 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
Kaiganeer posted...
to this day someone, somewhere is still playing gunz

they're really good

Does nobody understand what MMO means?


Massively multiplayer online.

Doesn't mean shit about PvE or PvP.

Based on this topic I'd say you don't know what MMO means.
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TheMarthKoopa
05/01/18 11:51:09 PM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Based on this topic I'd say you don't know what MMO means.

I'm not the one that's getting it wrong, dude.
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sktgamer_13dude
05/01/18 11:57:18 PM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
"Guys the beta didn't show the full game, it's not a MMOFPS!!!!"

Maybe play the game and know it before you say stupid shit like that.

Usually betas for MMOs drop you right into the world, not give you an instanced matchmaking UI

The beta for Destiny was literally a mission. It was gameplay.

You're talking with someone who has hundreds of hours logged in both Destiny and Destiny 2. You don't know what you're talking about.
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TheMarthKoopa
05/02/18 12:04:19 AM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
The beta for Destiny was literally a mission. It was gameplay.

Gameplay with no indication of it being an MMO (because it's not)
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Zeeak4444
05/02/18 12:04:45 AM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Based on this topic I'd say you don't know what MMO means.

I'm not the one that's getting it wrong, dude.


Please correct my full post then. Here, I'll give you the full version again:

Zeeak4444 posted...
TheMarthKoopa posted...
Kaiganeer posted...
to this day someone, somewhere is still playing gunz

they're really good

Does nobody understand what MMO means?


Massively multiplayer online.

Doesn't mean shit about PvE or PvP.

Based on this topic I'd say you don't know what MMO means.

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TheMarthKoopa
05/02/18 12:06:27 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Please correct my full post then. Here, I'll give you the full version again:

Right. So why are you directing this at me because that's exactly what I'm arguing? Maybe read the topic over again?
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sktgamer_13dude
05/02/18 12:11:16 AM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
The beta for Destiny was literally a mission. It was gameplay.

Gameplay with no indication of it being an MMO (because it's not)

"hur dur I don't know what the game is and only base my thoughts on a beta"

sktgamer_13dude posted...
You don't know what you're talking about.

sktgamer_13dude posted...
Maybe play the game and know it before you say stupid shit like that.

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TheMarthKoopa
05/02/18 12:14:01 AM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
"hur dur I don't know what the game is and only base my thoughts on a beta"

The devs said so, not me. Go complain to Bungie
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I_Stay_Noided
05/02/18 12:19:01 AM
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TheMarthKoopa
05/02/18 12:19:19 AM
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I_Stay_Noided posted...
probably because MMOFPS blow

Did you ever play PlanetSide?
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sktgamer_13dude
05/02/18 12:23:19 AM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
sktgamer_13dude posted...
"hur dur I don't know what the game is and only base my thoughts on a beta"

The devs said so, not me. Go complain to Bungie

Devs never said it wasn't a MMO. They just choose to call it an "open world shooter."

Again, stop talking about things you obviously know nothing about.
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I_Stay_Noided
05/02/18 12:24:22 AM
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TheMarthKoopa posted...
I_Stay_Noided posted...
probably because MMOFPS blow

Did you ever play PlanetSide?

unfortunately

you know my opinion on fps games

they have been in heavy decline since 1999
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TheMarthKoopa
05/02/18 12:26:57 AM
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sktgamer_13dude posted...
Again, stop talking about things you obviously know nothing about.

All I need know is that the PvP in Destiny is a joke and I don't count it as a true MMOFPS because who cares about PVE

I_Stay_Noided posted...
you know my opinion on fps games

they have been in heavy decline since 1999

Oh. Alt of the TFC guy?

unfortunately

You make me sad
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I_Stay_Noided
05/02/18 12:28:28 AM
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TFC perfected the genre, its only been downhill since then

the days of fast paced, extremely high skill, arcade shooters are over
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OpShaft
05/02/18 12:31:12 AM
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Kaiganeer posted...
to this day someone, somewhere is still playing gunz

they're really good


Gunz was awesome.
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sabin017
05/02/18 12:36:24 AM
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I'd like to see something like Napoleonic Wars get the MMOFPS treatment. Inaccurate weapons with long reload times works surprisingly well with a large amount of players.
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booboy
05/02/18 12:37:15 AM
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I remember in Planetside 1, my friend and I were using the Magrider tank in a stupidly huge battle (est 150+ per faction). We lasted for so long in that fight that we actually had to get three ammo refills.
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Cookie Bag
05/02/18 12:39:48 AM
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