Current Events > Was Thanos right in Infinity War? (spoilers)

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Thanos did nothing wrong
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Thanos, Adachi and Huey Emmerich did nothing wrong and Casca enjoyed it.
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Sort of. Overpopulation is a huge problem, there is a finite amount of resources, but just randomly wiping out half the population is just way overboard and will have to be done again and again after enough time passes.
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He is right and wrong.

I mean, how can he know for a fact that overpopulation is a problem on literally every single planet? For all he knows, his snap wiped out half the population on a thriving planet and totally fucked it over because now there aren't enough people.
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You have nothing but his word for how her planet is prospering. And even if he's telling the truth about Gamora's planet literally nothing about his plan guarantees that the wastelands he leaves behind will prosper in the years to come. The only thing his plan does is kill people. He gives zero fucks and no attention to what the people do after he kills them.
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Anisoptera posted...

Thanos, Adachi and Huey Emmerich did nothing wrong and Casca enjoyed it.

I'm so tilted right now.
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He could easily have used the gauntlet to create the resources necessary to support all populations >_> He's just an insane murderer who tries to justify his actions with a noble cause.
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He's delusional and insane. Hence The Mad Titan.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

He could easily have used the gauntlet to create the resources necessary to support all populations >_> He's just an insane murderer who tries to justify his actions with a noble cause.

@Jeff_AKA_Snoopy
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MC_BatCommander posted...

He could easily have used the gauntlet to create the resources necessary to support all populations >_> He's just an insane murderer who tries to justify his actions with a noble cause.

wrong

the gauntlet cannot create, only manipulate/destroy
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MC_BatCommander posted...

He could easily have used the gauntlet to create the resources necessary to support all populations >_> He's just an insane murderer who tries to justify his actions with a noble cause.

Cept he can't. Does it ever show any of the stones being able to create matter out of thin air? He can alter reality, but that is also only a temporary solution. He could try to rewind time again and again, but that messes with the fabric of time, which may make it even worse.
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Step 1: get space stone.
Step 2: get reality stone.
Step 3: use reality stone to terraform uninhabited planets into ones abundant with resources.
Step4: use space stone to relocate people from over populated planets to the new ones.

Result, universal prosperity with paradise planets everywhere, with less than half the effort he put in for his actual plan.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

Step 3: use reality stone to terraform uninhabited planets into ones abundant with resources.

I don't think it works that way.
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Anisoptera posted...

and Casca enjoyed it.

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I_Stay_Noided posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

He could easily have used the gauntlet to create the resources necessary to support all populations >_> He's just an insane murderer who tries to justify his actions with a noble cause.

wrong

the gauntlet cannot create, only manipulate/destroy

How can it destroy but not create? Isn't the "destruction" just a manipulation instead? Like Quill's gun into bubbles didn't destroy the matter. It just turned it into bubbles, which popped, which caused the soap to drip down, which landed on the ground, which got absorbed into the ground, etc.

Does he ever really "destroy" anything?
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KogaSteelfang posted...

Step 1: get space stone.
Step 2: get reality stone.
Step 3: use reality stone to terraform uninhabited planets into ones abundant with resources.
Step4: use space stone to relocate people from over populated planets to the new ones.

Result, universal prosperity with paradise planets everywhere, with less than half the effort he put in for his actual plan.

It would take more effort and he has to choose each planet that is inhabited and make sure there are no lives on there who are currently living in a way you can't perceive, and then change it to resources people can use, which is also not infinite. Though neither is Thanos' plan, since people will keep procreating needing more to be killed off.
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That's a big ol' philosophy debate right there. Is it better to force a population into prosperity at the cost of half the people or is it better to let them wallow in their poor decisions?

Laws of population growth say he's just gonna do the same shit in a few years

He should have used his power to get the best scientists to develop male birth control
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Muffinz0rz posted...

I_Stay_Noided posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

He could easily have used the gauntlet to create the resources necessary to support all populations >_> He's just an insane murderer who tries to justify his actions with a noble cause.

wrong

the gauntlet cannot create, only manipulate/destroy

How can it destroy but not create? Isn't the "destruction" just a manipulation instead? Like Quill's gun into bubbles didn't destroy the matter. It just turned it into bubbles, which popped, which caused the soap to drip down, which landed on the ground, which got absorbed into the ground, etc.

Does he ever really "destroy" anything?

Eh, destroy basically means changing matter into something we can't use anymore. It never shows the stones being able to create matter out of nothing however. It can rewind time, which may cause more problems if used too much. And reality changing if he wants to, but again there isn't infinite amounts of rock, so that will eventually stop working as well.
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he mentions he avoided destiny before but can't ignore it this time on his trip to receive the soul stone.

i wonder what he meant by that.
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He cannot create matter. Could he POTENTIALLY manipulate what is already around and turn it into resources? Potentially, but again that is finite.
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AsucaHayashi posted...

he mentions he avoided destiny before but can't ignore it this time on his trip to receive the soul stone.

i wonder what he meant by that.

I think he blames himself for not killing off half of Titan when he had the chance before it was destroyed.
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AsucaHayashi posted...

he mentions he avoided destiny before but can't ignore it this time on his trip to receive the soul stone.

i wonder what he meant by that.

It means he was stopped when Titan was overusing their resources, and what happened is the destroyed planet.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

Step 3: use reality stone to terraform uninhabited planets into ones abundant with resources.

I don't think it works that way.

I don't see why not. The dark elves were going to use it to reform the entire universe to its previous dark state.
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Laws of population growth say he's just gonna do the same shit in a few years

Yeah, this. If half the population of Earth were removed right now, it would take about 65 years to grow back to that level, and that's assuming the population growth rate doesn't increase after the purge, which it undoubtedly would.
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No, as he would likely have the resources as a space tyrant to offload half the population to another planet if that was the problem. It also only works in the short term, as within 100 years it will just be the same if nothing is done to curb birth rates.

He's right in that population control is a necessity for sustainability, but instantly killing half of all life is a non-sequitur.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

He cannot create matter. Could he POTENTIALLY manipulate what is already around and turn it into resources? Potentially, but again that is finite.

How do we know that though? I don't know much about the comics but wiki entries for the Gauntlet says that once all the stones are attached the wielder can "do whatever they want". From what I remember the movies don't say anything about the Gauntlet not being able to be used for good.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

Step 3: use reality stone to terraform uninhabited planets into ones abundant with resources.

I don't think it works that way.

I don't see why not. The dark elves were going to use it to reform the entire universe to its previous dark state.

Also, now thinking about it, the reality stone's effects seem to wear off when Thanos portals away. As you see Mantis and Drax go back to normal when Thanos leaves via portal. And Starlord's guns seem to be working again as well.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

He cannot create matter. Could he POTENTIALLY manipulate what is already around and turn it into resources? Potentially, but again that is finite.

How do we know that though? I don't know much about the comics but wiki entries for the Gauntlet says that once all the stones are attached the wielder can "do whatever they want". From what I remember the movies don't say anything about the Gauntlet not being able to be used for good.

Because none of the stones have been shown to do so, and all the gauntlet does is combine the powers of the stones for a much more massive effect, and was never once shown the ability to create.
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LightHawKnight posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

Step 3: use reality stone to terraform uninhabited planets into ones abundant with resources.

I don't think it works that way.

I don't see why not. The dark elves were going to use it to reform the entire universe to its previous dark state.

Also, now thinking about it, the reality stone's effects seem to wear off when Thanos portals away. As you see Mantis and Drax go back to normal when Thanos leaves via portal. And Starlord's guns seem to be working again as well.

I thought he just let them change back to normal, if it really does wear off like that it's by far the worst stone of them all. It should technically be one of the strongest, but it's powers are basically just Loki 2.0 which is really lame.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

Step 3: use reality stone to terraform uninhabited planets into ones abundant with resources.

I don't think it works that way.

I don't see why not. The dark elves were going to use it to reform the entire universe to its previous dark state.

Also, now thinking about it, the reality stone's effects seem to wear off when Thanos portals away. As you see Mantis and Drax go back to normal when Thanos leaves via portal. And Starlord's guns seem to be working again as well.

I thought he just let them change back to normal, if it really does wear off like that it's by far the worst stone of them all. It should technically be one of the strongest, but it's powers are basically just Loki 2.0 which is really lame.

It doesn't outright say anything about it, so it could be that he just let them off, but we don't have a confirmation of that yet. Or at least I don't see one.
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What if the citizens of the universe didn't want to listen to him? IIRC the people of Titan didn't listen to him, and they never curbed their population growth through other measures.
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LightHawKnight posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

He cannot create matter. Could he POTENTIALLY manipulate what is already around and turn it into resources? Potentially, but again that is finite.

How do we know that though? I don't know much about the comics but wiki entries for the Gauntlet says that once all the stones are attached the wielder can "do whatever they want". From what I remember the movies don't say anything about the Gauntlet not being able to be used for good.

Because none of the stones have been shown to do so, and all the gauntlet does is combine the powers of the stones for a much more massive effect, and was never once shown the ability to create.

We have only seen the stones used for evil purposes though, no one has tried to use them for anything good IIRC. I guess it is kind of a failing of the movie, it doesn't really go into what the MCU version of the Gauntlet can do.
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LightHawKnight posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

Step 3: use reality stone to terraform uninhabited planets into ones abundant with resources.

I don't think it works that way.

I don't see why not. The dark elves were going to use it to reform the entire universe to its previous dark state.

Also, now thinking about it, the reality stone's effects seem to wear off when Thanos portals away. As you see Mantis and Drax go back to normal when Thanos leaves via portal. And Starlord's guns seem to be working again as well.

He might be able only to change reality once. So in order to change it again he has to undo his previous change.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

He cannot create matter. Could he POTENTIALLY manipulate what is already around and turn it into resources? Potentially, but again that is finite.

How do we know that though? I don't know much about the comics but wiki entries for the Gauntlet says that once all the stones are attached the wielder can "do whatever they want". From what I remember the movies don't say anything about the Gauntlet not being able to be used for good.

Because none of the stones have been shown to do so, and all the gauntlet does is combine the powers of the stones for a much more massive effect, and was never once shown the ability to create.

We have only seen the stones used for evil purposes though, no one has tried to use them for anything good IIRC. I guess it is kind of a failing of the movie, it doesn't really go into what the MCU version of the Gauntlet can do.

Which is why we only go with what we see they can do and not what you think they can do.
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I_Stay_Noided posted...

wrong

the gauntlet cannot create, only manipulate/destroy

Does it possess infinite energy?
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No, he was left.
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Thanos is just trying to justify mass murder
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If the resources of the universe are finite then why slaughter half the population? That isn't going to magically make the finite resources infinite. All he is doing is killing billions of people to extend the life of the resources.

Plus, a new Big Bang will occur eventually. The universe handles itself in terms of resources.
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>Use Reality Stone to make Frictionless Surfaces
>Use Frictionless surfaces to make a generator
>Get infinity energy
>Convert Energy to Matter
GG thx Einstein
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DepreceV2 posted...

If the resources of the universe are finite then why slaughter half the population? That isn't going to magically make the finite resources infinite. All he is doing is killing billions of people to extend the life of the resources.

Plus, a new Big Bang will occur eventually. The universe handles itself in terms of resources.

big bangs don't just happen in marvel universe. they're caused by galactus after he eats the universe.
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ZMythos posted...

>Use Reality Stone to make Frictionless Surfaces
>Use Frictionless surfaces to make a generator
>Get infinity energy
>Convert Energy to Matter
GG thx Einstein

all of the energy entering this system was energy that was already present in the environment of the generator. This just decreases energy waste from the generator, it doesn't actually generate any 'new' energy, let alone the amount of energy required to produce a planet's worth of matter.
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I_Stay_Noided posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

He could easily have used the gauntlet to create the resources necessary to support all populations >_> He's just an insane murderer who tries to justify his actions with a noble cause.

wrong

the gauntlet cannot create, only manipulate/destroy

While it can't create, space stone has unlimited energy. So in essence, it's creating unlimited energy.

ZMythos posted...

>Use Reality Stone to make Frictionless Surfaces
>Use Frictionless surfaces to make a generator
>Get infinity energy
>Convert Energy to Matter
GG thx Einstein

Or just use the space stone, which has unlimited energy.

It's a quick solution to a problem that will return in 50 years. That's even assuming every planet has an overpopulation issue. Of course he's wrong.

I'm sure there would be a better thing the Infinity gauntlet could do without mass genocide. It just would be harder and take longer.
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People really need to stop thinking too deeply about comic book writing. This is the universe where someone called squirrel girl, has defeated half the ops in the universe, Thanos included.

And trust me, there are a LOT of OPs in Marvel, which makes me question why the fuck are they using fucking Hawkeye, Widow or Falcon, when some of these ops are on earth and could literally blow up the planet with a sneeze.

And don't give me that BS, maybe they don't exist in MCU. There is still 0 reason why hawkeye, Widow or Falcon has a place, when the only normal human that can be used in their situation, is in an iron man suit.

I'm confident that there's enough resources for everybody in the Universe to ever live till the end of the Universe. The stones would just need to redistribute things accordingly.

As I said, Thanos is insane. His plan doesn't even make sense because it's based on shit like a single planet at any given time.
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DoctorVader posted...

I'm confident that there's enough resources for everybody in the Universe to ever live till the end of the Universe. The stones would just need to redistribute things accordingly.

As I said, Thanos is insane. His plan doesn't even make sense because it's based on shit like a single planet at any given time.

Also he killed everyone from Asgard (bar Thor) and presumably Xandor. So he's clearly not following his own accord.