Current Events > Trump should get the nobel peace prize.

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SomeonesAlt posted...

Are you avoiding my question? Who actually judged Obama to those standards? Besides the obvious exception of the people who awarded him, I've never heard anyone normal actually try to justify him earning it.

I didn't even know he got it tbh
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Bishop9800 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Ah so youre against judging presidents according to similar standards, thanks for confirming

What standards do Trump have?

Its not about what standards Trump has, its about judging him with similar standards(ie our standards of judgment, not theirs) to other presidents so we can maintain a semblance of fairness. In respect to the topic Obama and Trump had done similar things at this point in their presidency(ie hardly anything) but one was awarded the highest honor which some users people thought was deserved, though if thats true than Trump deserves it as well.
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Nomadic View posted...

But, Trump is held to a significantly higher standard than Obama.

Is this a joke? Trump is held to such a low standard that he gets lavished with praise for acting "presidential" if he finishes a speech without drooling out of the corners of his mouth.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Nomadic View posted...

But, Trump is held to a significantly higher standard than Obama.

Is this a joke? Trump is held to such a low standard that gets lavished with praise for acting "presidential" if he finishes a speech without drooling out of the corners of his mouth.

If Trump was held to as low a standard as Obama he would have received the peace prize by now. He is held to a higher standard, as he should be. If he gets the Nobel Peace Prize it will be when he earns it, not because its some low expectation pity prize.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Nomadic View posted...

But, Trump is held to a significantly higher standard than Obama.

Is this a joke? Trump is held to such a low standard that gets lavished with praise for acting "presidential" if he finishes a speech without drooling out of the corners of his mouth.

Then I guess we should go ahead and give him the nobel prize no?
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Nomadic View posted...

But, Trump is held to a significantly higher standard than Obama.

Is this a joke? Trump is held to such a low standard that gets lavished with praise for acting "presidential" if he finishes a speech without drooling out of the corners of his mouth.

I remember seeing legit praise cause he managed a tweet with full sentences.
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Mal_Fet posted...

And he never did anything close to preserving peace as well as Trump and Moon did

WTF are you talking about? North Korea increased nuclear testing and fired missiles across Japan. Violence increased in Syria and there's more civilian deaths happening all over the world than ever before.
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

And he never did anything close to preserving peace as well as Trump and Moon did

WTF are you talking about? North Korea increased nuclear testing and fired missiles across Japan. Violence increased in Syria and there's more civilian deaths happening all over the world than ever before.

Do you not pay attention to the news at all

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-announces-end-to-missile-testing-as-trump-cites-big-progress/ar-AAw7QCH
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Honestly it would be less absurd than Obama receiving it at this point as crazy as that is to say.
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LethalAffinity posted...

Honestly it would be less absurd than Obama receiving it at this point as crazy as that is to say.

Thats all Im saying. But a lot of libs are too much into tribal politics to ever admit it, but hey keep doing that and see what happens next election
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All I'm saying is that don't hold your breath that N. Korea will keep their end of the bargain. Un is a dictator through and through. He has brainwashed his own countrymen and has killed many of them without remorse. This whole schtick of him giving up is just bs if you ask me.

Ivany2008 posted...

All I'm saying is that don't hold your breath that N. Korea will keep their end of the bargain. Un is a dictator through and through. He has brainwashed his own countrymen and has killed many of them without remorse. This whole schtick of him giving up is just bs if you ask me.

I agree. Something's not making sense with him doing all of this stuff. I really do think that he can't be trusted.
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The left hates President Trump so much they refuse to give him any acknowledgement if this deal actually happens.

Just a coincidence.

It was Obama.

Seriously, peace between the two nation's would absolutely qualify him as a peace prize winner and honestly one of the best presidents ever.

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

Seriously, peace between the two nation's would absolutely qualify him as a peace prize winner and honestly one of the best presidents ever.

Thank goodness for South Korea performing absolutely all of the diplomacy and current negotiations with the country. They had a hell of a job to go through despite Trump's threats and blustering but they did a phenomenal job securing a diplomatic victory.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

Seriously, peace between the two nation's would absolutely qualify him as a peace prize winner and honestly one of the best presidents ever.

Thank goodness for South Korea performing absolutely all of the diplomacy and current negotiations with the country. They had a hell of a job to go through despite Trump's threats and blustering but they did a phenomenal job securing a diplomatic victory.

Quit with the partisan shit.

A_Good_Boy posted...

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

Seriously, peace between the two nation's would absolutely qualify him as a peace prize winner and honestly one of the best presidents ever.

Thank goodness for South Korea performing absolutely all of the diplomacy and current negotiations with the country. They had a hell of a job to go through despite Trump's threats and blustering but they did a phenomenal job securing a diplomatic victory.

What did Souh Korea do to make North Korea change its mind? Theyve been at it for decades, what changed now?
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Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

Seriously, peace between the two nation's would absolutely qualify him as a peace prize winner and honestly one of the best presidents ever.

Thank goodness for South Korea performing absolutely all of the diplomacy and current negotiations with the country. They had a hell of a job to go through despite Trump's threats and blustering but they did a phenomenal job securing a diplomatic victory.

Quit with the partisan shit.

What's partisan about what I said?
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

Seriously, peace between the two nation's would absolutely qualify him as a peace prize winner and honestly one of the best presidents ever.

Thank goodness for South Korea performing absolutely all of the diplomacy and current negotiations with the country. They had a hell of a job to go through despite Trump's threats and blustering but they did a phenomenal job securing a diplomatic victory.

Quit with the partisan shit.

What's partisan about what I said?

Well it's wrong and people don't usually put that much effort into being wrong unless they are treating politics like sports, aka, partisan

North Koreans Agree to Disable Nuclear Facilities

By HELENE COOPEROCT. 4, 2007

WASHINGTON, Oct. 3 North Korea has agreed to disable all of its nuclear facilities by the end of the year, in a move that the Bush administration hailed as a diplomatic victory that could serve as a model for how to deal with Iran, which has defied American efforts to rein in its nuclear ambitions.

The North Korea agreement, announced in Beijing on Wednesday, sets out the first specific timetable for the North to disclose all its nuclear programs and disable all facilities in return for 950,000 metric tons of fuel oil or its equivalent in economic aid.

The accord is the second stage of a six-nation pact reached in February, one that has continued to draw sharp criticism from conservatives who complain that the United States is rewarding North Korea for its test of a nuclear device last October. The agreement has not yet resolved the contentious question of when North Korea will give up its nuclear weapons.

The agreement calls on the United States to begin the process of removing North Korea from a United States terrorism list in parallel with the Norths actions. Conservative critics said the United States should not take North Korea off the terrorism list until it gave up all its nuclear weapons, and argued that the pact was far too conciliatory toward a nuclear power with alleged ties to international terrorism.

But the Bush administration has been eager to show diplomatic progress, and President Bush suggested that the deal should serve as an example to Iran, which has refused to suspend its uranium enrichment program. During a town hall meeting on Wednesday in Lancaster, Pa., Mr. Bush told a questioner that he might hold direct talks with Iran if it first froze enrichment of uranium.

If your question is, Will you ever sit down with them, weve proven we would with North Korea, and the answer is, Yeah, just so long as we can achieve something, so long as we are able to get our objective, Mr. Bush said.

John R. Bolton, the administrations former ambassador to the United Nations, said the White House violated the original purpose of the diplomatic talks by agreeing to negotiate side agreements with North Korea about taking it off both the terrorism list and a second list of enemy nations forbidden from trading with the United States.

If they come off either or both lists, without any final verification of their performance on the nuclear issue, I think the president will have embarrassed his administration in history, Mr. Bolton said.

Critics of the White House, including some Democrats, note that the February accord bears a strong resemblance to the 1994 agreement between North Korea and the Clinton administration, one that Bush administration officials denounced in the past as a giveaway, and which fell apart in 2002.

Conservatives are also angry that the United States went ahead with the agreement despite a recent Israeli airstrike in Syria that Israeli officials have said was directed at nuclear material supplied by North Korea. During meetings this past weekend, Christopher R. Hill, the chief United States negotiator, told North Korea that one of the things it must disclose were details of whatever nuclear material it had been supplying to Syria, two senior Bush administration officials said.

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Both officials, who asked that their names not be used because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the issue, said that North Korean officials denied giving Syria any assistance.

We did not achieve clarity on this issue, but that does not mean we do not intend to keep trying, one of the officials said. We arent operating on faith.

On Monday, the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, acknowledged for the first time that the Israeli incursion had been an attack, but said the target had been an empty warehouse. They bombed a building, a construction, its related to the military but its not used, Mr. Assad told the British Broadcasting Corporation.

Under the agreement reached in February, North Korea has shut down its Yongbyon nuclear plant, which, according to American intelligence estimates, has produced enough plutonium for as many as a half-dozen bombs.

This weeks agreement calls on the North to disable Yongbyon by the end of the year. Administration officials said they hoped that by disabling the facility, they would avoid a repeat of 2002, when North Korea shut down Yongbyon and then restarted the plant after talks broke down. They were able to get the reactor up and running in two months, a State Department official said. By focusing on disablement, the hope is that the next interim measure is to do things to it so it cant readily be turned back on.

The agreement on Wednesday is part of a larger pact between North Korea, China, Russia, South Korea, Japan and the United States the so-called six parties that have been wrangling to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula.

Mr. Hill, the chief American negotiator, said the pact also called for the United States to give North Korea assistance with its energy sector. State Department officials said the first $25 million, equivalent to 50,000 tons of fuel aid, would be making its way to North Korea shortly.

Mr. Hill said North Korea did not have enough room in its ports or oil depots to put up all of the fuel oil it had been promised, which was part of the reason why the countries would also give the North equivalent economic aid to help to build and improve energy plants and storage depots.

The official joint statement is carefully worded on how or when North Korea will be taken off the terrorism list, reflecting the political delicacy, particularly in the United States, of the matter.

In Washington, Representative Edward J. Markey, Democrat of Massachusetts, said North Korea should remain on the list.

In 2005, we wrote a law specifically aimed at closing the door on the possibility of civilian nuclear cooperation between the U.S. and North Korea, Mr. Markey said in a statement. Given North Koreas dangerous record of developing nuclear weapons, exporting advanced missile technology, engaging in international criminal activity, and engaging in international terrorism, that prohibition is just as necessary today as it was two years ago when the president signed it into law.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/world/asia/04diplo.html
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Clinton Approves a Plan to Give Aid to North Koreans (Oct 1994)

By DAVID E. SANGER and SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES

WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 -- President Clinton approved a plan today to arrange more than $4 billion in energy aid to North Korea during the next decade in return for a commitment from the country's hard-line Communist leadership to freeze and gradually dismantle its nuclear weapons development program.

"This agreement will help achieve a longstanding and vital American objective -- an end to the threat of nuclear proliferation on the Korean Peninsula," Mr. Clinton said this afternoon, after his top foreign policy advisers described the details of an enormously complex agreement struck with North Korea late Monday.

American and North Korean officials plan to sign the broad accord on Friday, and almost immediately the United States will begin a remarkable new foreign aid program: it will provide for the North, with which it has never signed a peace treaty ending the Korean War, supplies of heavy oil to keep factories running and homes heated.

The Pentagon had expressed concern that some of the fuel could be diverted to the North's million-man army, but officials said they were working to assure supplies that would be incompatible with its tanks and other military equipment.

"This agreement is good for the United States, good for our allies, and good for the safety of the entire world," Mr. Clinton said in a brief appearance in the White House press room this afternoon. "It's a crucial step toward drawing North Korea into the global community."
Continue reading the main story

The accord calls for a consortium of nations, led by South Korea and Japan, to provide the North with two light-water nuclear reactors, designed in a manner that makes it far more difficult for the North to convert nuclear waste into atomic weapons.

The total cost of the project was put at $4 billion by Robert L. Gallucci, the chief American negotiator with the North. The financing would be supplied by South Korea, Japan and possibly Germany, Russia and the United States.

Under the accord, North Korea would agree to allow full and continuous inspections of its existing nuclear sites, freeze and then later take apart some of its most important nuclear plants and ultimately ship out of the country fuel rods that could be converted into fuel for weapons.

But the agreement also allows North Korea to keep those rods for an unspecified number of years. This provision means that the potential that North Korea could break its agreements and quickly produce nuclear weapons will not disappear until the end of the decade.

The provision also means that it will be years before inspectors can resolve the question of how much weapons-grade plutonium the North has already produced and perhaps converted into a primitive nuclear weapon. Some of Mr. Clinton's defense and intelligence aides said today that they had hoped North Korea would be forced to surrender its nuclear fuel under a much more rapid timetable. But they said that this goal could not be accomplished, and that the agreement reached this week was better than a continuing confrontation.

https://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/19/world/clinton-approves-a-plan-to-give-aid-to-north-koreans.html
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and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

jfc. Trump support is a cult.
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foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

jfc. Trump support is a cult.

Wow. Literally making claims that Havent even happened or will happen. You sure trump hate isn't a cult?

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

jfc. Trump support is a cult.

Wow. Literally making claims that Havent even happened or will happen. You sure trump hate isn't a cult?

troll with single digit karma. Trump hasn't solved the NK crisis. you don't know what will happen.
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foreveraIone posted...

troll with single digit karma.

That's cause he can't stop getting his accounts banned for shitposting lmfao
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foreveraIone posted...

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

jfc. Trump support is a cult.

Wow. Literally making claims that Havent even happened or will happen. You sure trump hate isn't a cult?

troll with single digit karma. Trump hasn't solved the NK crisis. you don't know what will happen.

And neither do you. The difference is, I'm not jumping to conclusions.

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?
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Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

foreveraIone posted...

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

jfc. Trump support is a cult.

Wow. Literally making claims that Havent even happened or will happen. You sure trump hate isn't a cult?

troll with single digit karma. Trump hasn't solved the NK crisis. you don't know what will happen.

And neither do you. The difference is, I'm not jumping to conclusions.

And most of the Trump slurpers in this topic have.

that's why Trump support is a cult...
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Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

shut up mal. I'm Korean and have family in Seoul.

I have legitimate personal stake in this unlike youm
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Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

Seriously. Was Obama a good president? No. But I never actually wanted him to fail. Same with any president. This is just a new level of sad to want to watch the country burn because you lost an election

foreveraIone posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

shut up mal. I'm Korean and have family in Seoul.

I have legitimate personal stake in this unlike youm

So you should be glad that we actually have a president who will sit down with North Korea unlike Obama, right?
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Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

LMFAO, yet another "B-b-b-b-b-but Obama!" Mals on fire tonight
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Kazi1212 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

Seriously, peace between the two nation's would absolutely qualify him as a peace prize winner and honestly one of the best presidents ever.

Thank goodness for South Korea performing absolutely all of the diplomacy and current negotiations with the country. They had a hell of a job to go through despite Trump's threats and blustering but they did a phenomenal job securing a diplomatic victory.

What did Souh Korea do to make North Korea change its mind? Theyve been at it for decades, what changed now?

Lmao have you even been paying attention to the situation in the Korea's?

Nevermind that total asinine comment reveals you haven't. Because even if you want to give Trump some credit, to act as if South Korea hasn't done shit is so fucking wrong it actually hurts
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SomeonesAlt posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

LMFAO, yet another "B-b-b-b-b-but Obama!" Mals on fire tonight

You guys aren't off the hook. I'll call out your hypocrisy and you'll like it. Or not, I don't care.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

Remember that time you always made shit up because it was the only way to support the shit you were spewing
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Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

shut up mal. I'm Korean and have family in Seoul.

I have legitimate personal stake in this unlike youm

So you should be glad that we actually have a president who will sit down with North Korea unlike Obama, right?

I wish it were Obama. And not Trump. And why would I be glad when Trump has shown no regard for South Korea or the lives of people who live there? He's gonna fuck it up.

Actually don't respond to this.

I'm going to put you on ignore but I just needed to make my point.
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Mal_Fet posted...

SomeonesAlt posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

LMFAO, yet another "B-b-b-b-b-but Obama!" Mals on fire tonight

You guys aren't off the hook. I'll call out your hypocrisy and you'll like it. Or not, I don't care.

Sad thing is you actually really care, and it bothers you quite a bit.
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He's more deserving than Obama at least.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

SomeonesAlt posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

LMFAO, yet another "B-b-b-b-b-but Obama!" Mals on fire tonight

You guys aren't off the hook. I'll call out your hypocrisy and you'll like it. Or not, I don't care.

Sad thing is you actually really care, and it bothers you quite a bit.

He reeeeeally does, haha
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Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

shut up mal. I'm Korean and have family in Seoul.

I have legitimate personal stake in this unlike youm

So you should be glad that we actually have a president who will sit down with North Korea unlike Obama, right?

Man the 180 degree spin the right has on the North Korea situation since Trump took over is amazing.

Mal putting it fully on display, right out in the open right here.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Y2Jo_sHBK posted...

Seriously, peace between the two nation's would absolutely qualify him as a peace prize winner and honestly one of the best presidents ever.

Thank goodness for South Korea performing absolutely all of the diplomacy and current negotiations with the country. They had a hell of a job to go through despite Trump's threats and blustering but they did a phenomenal job securing a diplomatic victory.

What did Souh Korea do to make North Korea change its mind? Theyve been at it for decades, what changed now?

Lmao have you even been paying attention to the situation in the Korea's?

Nevermind that total asinine comment reveals you haven't. Because even if you want to give Trump some credit, to act as if South Korea hasn't done shit is so fucking wrong it actually hurts

Hmm you must a bit flustered by my post, where have I said South Korea hasnt done shit? I have maintained all along in this topic I give Trump little credit, I never said South Korea didnt deserve any credit. Im merely asking what South Korea has done and why they couldnt get similar results for decades? So when youve calmed down a little please let me know, Im genuinely curious.
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Bio1590 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

shut up mal. I'm Korean and have family in Seoul.

I have legitimate personal stake in this unlike youm

So you should be glad that we actually have a president who will sit down with North Korea unlike Obama, right?

Man the 180 degree spin the right has on the North Korea situation since Trump took over is amazing.

Mal putting it fully on display, right out in the open right here.

Obama DID try. He failed. Trump is at least showing promise even if I don't trust NK. You know, it's actually ok to be optimistic

Because he's the first orange president?
Conservatives want their participation prize.
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CrimsonRage posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

foreveraIone posted...

and when Trump inevitably fucks this up and gets millions killed you people will defend him.

Remember that time Obama bombed a hospital and none of you cared?

You're literally hoping Trump will do something like that so you don't have to feel like a failure for supporting Obama. You're actually hoping innocent people will die so you don't look foolish.

What kind of insane psychosis is that?

Trump has already gotten innocent people killed and you people wrote it off as "collateral damage"

you can't criticise Obama for something you don't have a problem with when a Republican does it

"wtf we love drone strikes and being soft on rotten world leaders"
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why hasn't crimsonrage closed his account yet?
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

He's more deserving than Obama at least.

How?
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Republicans want participation trophies now "just to be fair"
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