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ModLogic
04/20/18 10:29:32 PM
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Studies have shown that tipping is not an effective incentive for performance in servers. It also creates an environment in which people of color, young people, old people, women, and foreigners tend to get worse service than white males. In a tip-based system, nonwhite servers make less than their white peers for equal work. Consider also the power imbalance between tippers, who are typically male, and servers, 70 percent of whom are female, and consider that the restaurant industry generates five times the average number of sexual harassment claims per worker.


The origin of tipping is really the feudal system, its this idea of noblesse oblige. But when tipping came to the United States, it had a real racial tinge to it, because, originally, the workers who earned tips were almost exclusively black workersthey were newly freed slaves.

There was this massive anti-tipping movement to protest the practice, a resounding populist movement that actually got anti-tipping bills passed in six states across the country, including Washington state and many southern states. Whats interesting is that that movement, the anti-tipping populist one, ending up spreading to Europe and succeeding, because the labor movement picked it up and said we are professionals, and we shouldnt have to live on tips, because we should be paid by our employers. Thats why you see so little tipping in Europe. What we started here spread there and actually killed it at the origin in Europe.

We, on the other hand, went in the opposite direction in the states. The restaurant industry, which was hiring newly freed slaves as tipped workers, really wanted the right to hire these workers but pay them next to nothing. So they put forth this idea that they were valueless and really shouldnt have to be paid by their employers. They essentially made the argument that newly freed slaves should get a zero dollar wage.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/18/i-dare-you-to-read-this-and-still-feel-ok-about-tipping-in-the-united-states/

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Skye Reynolds
04/20/18 10:32:20 PM
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"Gratitude is slavery"

Whatever justification allows you to be an asshole.
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ModLogic
04/20/18 10:33:40 PM
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glitteringfairy
04/20/18 10:33:47 PM
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Absolutely appalling. I will no longer be tipping any people of color. I'll be damned if I perpetuate slavery.
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A_Good_Boy
04/20/18 10:33:50 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
"Gratitude is slavery"

Whatever justification allows you to be an asshole.

Way to not even read the post.
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Skye Reynolds
04/20/18 10:35:16 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
"Gratitude is slavery"

Whatever justification allows you to be an asshole.

Way to not even read the post.


I did.

Outlawed in six states, linked to newly freed slaves, often seen as a means of acting superior by giving to the less fortunate.

Again I say, "Whatever it takes to justify being an asshole."
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C_Pain
04/20/18 10:37:00 PM
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LMAO the topic title is truly a brilliant troll
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BlueScum
04/20/18 10:38:03 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
"Gratitude is slavery"

Whatever justification allows you to be an asshole.

Way to not even read the post.


I did.

Outlawed in six states, linked to newly freed slaves, often seen as a means of acting superior by giving to the less fortunate.

Again I say, "Whatever it takes to justify being an asshole."


Pretty much. "Oh, it has this horrible history to it so we should end the practice because we can't suck it up, cope with the past, and just do whatever it takes to help each other in this God forsaken world."
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A_Good_Boy
04/20/18 10:42:30 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
Again I say, "Whatever it takes to justify being an asshole."

ModLogic posted...
It also creates an environment in which people of color, young people, old people, women, and foreigners tend to get worse service than white males.

Who's the asshole in this instance, the customers or the servers?
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Skye Reynolds
04/20/18 10:46:10 PM
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The customer for not tipping equally.
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Mal_Fet
04/20/18 10:47:41 PM
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This is a really outlandish attempt to disguise your cheapness as being woke.
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A_Good_Boy
04/20/18 10:52:53 PM
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Skye Reynolds posted...
The customer for not tipping equally.

Why would the customer tip for poor service? Is it the waiters expectation that the customer should tip them after their poor dining experience, and then for some reason if they come back they'll remember them and provide them proper service the 2nd time around?
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1337toothbrush
04/20/18 10:54:38 PM
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If SJWs want to attack tipping, I'd love it if they manage to get rid of it and instead servers just got paid a regular wage. Would make the dining experience more pleasant.
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1337toothbrush
04/20/18 10:55:46 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
The customer for not tipping equally.

Why would the customer tip for poor service? Is it the waiters expectation that the customer should tip them after their poor dining experience, and then for some reason if they come back they'll remember them and provide them proper service the 2nd time around?

The tipping system has gotten so shit, you're expected to tip 20% at a minimum, even with shitty service because maybe the server is busy or having a bad day or whatever other excuse.
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A_Good_Boy
04/20/18 11:00:21 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Skye Reynolds posted...
The customer for not tipping equally.

Why would the customer tip for poor service? Is it the waiters expectation that the customer should tip them after their poor dining experience, and then for some reason if they come back they'll remember them and provide them proper service the 2nd time around?

The tipping system has gotten so shit, you're expected to tip 20% at a minimum, even with shitty service because maybe the server is busy or having a bad day or whatever other excuse.

It's pretty ridiculous that they've gone from expecting a 15% tip after providing excellent service to now demanding a 20% tip for merely showing up to work.
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ModLogic
04/21/18 12:25:08 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
This is a really outlandish attempt to disguise your cheapness as being woke.

dont confuse your own ignorance as someone being "cheap"
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Mal_Fet
04/21/18 1:53:45 AM
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ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
This is a really outlandish attempt to disguise your cheapness as being woke.

dont confuse your own ignorance as someone being "cheap"

If not tipping is actually an expression of wokeness and not just being a cheapskate, do you tell waiters up-front that you don't tip because [insert sjw reason here], or do you not tell them and simply leave without tipping?

Because if it's the latter, then yes you're just being cheap.
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ModLogic
04/21/18 2:32:10 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
This is a really outlandish attempt to disguise your cheapness as being woke.

dont confuse your own ignorance as someone being "cheap"

If not tipping is actually an expression of wokeness and not just being a cheapskate, do you tell waiters up-front that you don't tip because [insert sjw reason here], or do you not tell them and simply leave without tipping?

Because if it's the latter, then yes you're just being cheap.

why do you need to tell them up front? is it due to the ignorant belief they are entitled to tips?
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Mal_Fet
04/21/18 2:45:58 AM
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ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
This is a really outlandish attempt to disguise your cheapness as being woke.

dont confuse your own ignorance as someone being "cheap"

If not tipping is actually an expression of wokeness and not just being a cheapskate, do you tell waiters up-front that you don't tip because [insert sjw reason here], or do you not tell them and simply leave without tipping?

Because if it's the latter, then yes you're just being cheap.

why do you need to tell them up front? is it due to the ignorant belief they are entitled to tips?

If you were so sure that not tipping was justified, you would have no problem telling them you weren't going to tip them. Why the cold feet?
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ModLogic
04/21/18 3:06:19 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
you would have no problem telling them you weren't going to tip them.

why do you need to tell them? they shouldn't be expecting a guaranteed tip in the first place. their ignorance is not the problem of the customer.
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shnangyboos
04/21/18 3:07:47 AM
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Isn't this something you would normally talk shit about sjws for?
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Mal_Fet
04/21/18 3:16:23 AM
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ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
you would have no problem telling them you weren't going to tip them.

why do you need to tell them?

I didn't ask you why you need to. I'm asking if you're scared to tell them what a great person you are.
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ModLogic
04/21/18 3:17:54 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
you would have no problem telling them you weren't going to tip them.

why do you need to tell them?

I didn't ask you why you need to. I'm asking if you're scared to tell them what a great person you are.

im asking why you ignorantly feel that's necessary. do you announce to the taxi driver what you intend to do at your destination in case it offends him so that he can decide if he should refuse you service or give you a detour on the spot?
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Siaperaz
04/21/18 3:20:41 AM
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This article convinced. I will only toot white people from now on. I will not participate In an act of slavery by tipping black people.
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Mal_Fet
04/21/18 3:24:59 AM
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ModLogic posted...
im asking why you ignorantly feel that's necessary.

It doesn't matter if it's necessary; if you're so sure that you're in the right then there's no reason for you to have a problem with it, is there? Just tell them that tipping is rooted in racism so you won't tip them for their service!
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ModLogic
04/21/18 3:27:20 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
im asking why you ignorantly feel that's necessary.

Stop avoiding my question. What's the problem, bro? Just explain to them that tipping is rooted in racism and therefore you won't be tipping them for their service! It doesn't matter if it's necessary; if you're so sure that you're in the right then there's no reason for you to have a problem with it, is there?

why avoid my question? why is it necessary? do you inform everyone of your intention before they provide a service?
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Mal_Fet
04/21/18 3:28:35 AM
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ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
im asking why you ignorantly feel that's necessary.

Stop avoiding my question. What's the problem, bro? Just explain to them that tipping is rooted in racism and therefore you won't be tipping them for their service! It doesn't matter if it's necessary; if you're so sure that you're in the right then there's no reason for you to have a problem with it, is there?

why avoid my question? why is it necessary? do you inform everyone of your intention before they provide a service?

It doesn't matter if it's necessary; if you're so sure that you're in the right then there's no reason for you to have a problem with it, is there?

I don't have a problem telling my taxi driver what I'm going to do at the aquarium. I don't have to, but I don't have a problem with it, and it makes for conversation. Do you have a problem telling your waiter that you aren't gonna tip?
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ModLogic
04/21/18 3:34:26 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...

I don't have a problem telling my taxi driver what I'm going to do at the aquarium. I don't have to, but I don't have a problem with it, and it makes for conversation. Do you have a problem telling your waiter that you aren't gonna tip?

I don't have to because its unnecessary

you can be as redundant as you want, feel free. dont try to make other people into carbon copies of yourself.
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Mal_Fet
04/21/18 3:40:13 AM
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ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...

I don't have a problem telling my taxi driver what I'm going to do at the aquarium. I don't have to, but I don't have a problem with it, and it makes for conversation. Do you have a problem telling your waiter that you aren't gonna tip?

I don't have to because its unnecessary

you can be as redundant as you want, feel free. dont try to make other people into carbon copies of yourself.

I'm gonna take your refusal to ask a simple question as yes, you do have a problem with telling your waiter you aren't gonna tip them.

So yes, you are just a cheapskate.
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catboy0_0
04/21/18 3:40:19 AM
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ModLogic
04/21/18 3:42:52 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...

I don't have a problem telling my taxi driver what I'm going to do at the aquarium. I don't have to, but I don't have a problem with it, and it makes for conversation. Do you have a problem telling your waiter that you aren't gonna tip?

I don't have to because its unnecessary

you can be as redundant as you want, feel free. dont try to make other people into carbon copies of yourself.

I'm gonna take your refusal to ask a simple question as yes, you do have a problem with telling your waiter you aren't gonna tip them.

So yes, you are just a cheapskate.

if that what your ignorant mindset wants to insist. no one is going to bother stopping you.
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Mal_Fet
04/21/18 3:50:19 AM
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ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...

I don't have a problem telling my taxi driver what I'm going to do at the aquarium. I don't have to, but I don't have a problem with it, and it makes for conversation. Do you have a problem telling your waiter that you aren't gonna tip?

I don't have to because its unnecessary

you can be as redundant as you want, feel free. dont try to make other people into carbon copies of yourself.

I'm gonna take your refusal to ask a simple question as yes, you do have a problem with telling your waiter you aren't gonna tip them.

So yes, you are just a cheapskate.

if that what your ignorant mindset wants to insist. no one is going to bother stopping you.

There's no insisting going on, it's just a fact. All you had to do was say "of course I don't have a problem with it", but you're a bit too honest for that. The only reason you wouldn't be willing to tell a waiter you aren't gonna tip them is because you know you're full of shit.
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ModLogic
04/21/18 3:52:39 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...

I don't have a problem telling my taxi driver what I'm going to do at the aquarium. I don't have to, but I don't have a problem with it, and it makes for conversation. Do you have a problem telling your waiter that you aren't gonna tip?

I don't have to because its unnecessary

you can be as redundant as you want, feel free. dont try to make other people into carbon copies of yourself.

I'm gonna take your refusal to ask a simple question as yes, you do have a problem with telling your waiter you aren't gonna tip them.

So yes, you are just a cheapskate.

if that what your ignorant mindset wants to insist. no one is going to bother stopping you.

There's no insisting going on, it's just a fact. All you had to do was say "of course I don't have a problem with it", but you're a bit too honest for that. The only reason you wouldn't be willing to tell a waiter you aren't gonna tip them is because you know you're full of shit.

the only fact is you want to be redundant. feel free, just don't try to drag others down to your level.
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Mal_Fet
04/21/18 3:53:50 AM
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ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
ModLogic posted...
Mal_Fet posted...

I don't have a problem telling my taxi driver what I'm going to do at the aquarium. I don't have to, but I don't have a problem with it, and it makes for conversation. Do you have a problem telling your waiter that you aren't gonna tip?

I don't have to because its unnecessary

you can be as redundant as you want, feel free. dont try to make other people into carbon copies of yourself.

I'm gonna take your refusal to ask a simple question as yes, you do have a problem with telling your waiter you aren't gonna tip them.

So yes, you are just a cheapskate.

if that what your ignorant mindset wants to insist. no one is going to bother stopping you.

There's no insisting going on, it's just a fact. All you had to do was say "of course I don't have a problem with it", but you're a bit too honest for that. The only reason you wouldn't be willing to tell a waiter you aren't gonna tip them is because you know you're full of shit.

the only fact is you want to be redundant. feel free, just don't try to drag others down to your level.

Mal_Fet posted...
you're full of shit.

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Pepys Monster
04/21/18 3:54:07 AM
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The only tipping CE does is tipping their fedoras.
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ModLogic
04/21/18 1:52:44 PM
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