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Muffinz0rz
04/17/18 1:10:53 PM
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remember this is the same guy who said Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

smfh
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Ilove4chan
04/17/18 1:11:19 PM
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okay
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Muffinz0rz
04/17/18 3:58:13 PM
#3:


care
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K181
04/17/18 3:59:09 PM
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I agree with him then. On TLJ, I mean. Haven't seen Fantastic Beasts, so I can't say if it's good or not.
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Old NoiseTank
04/17/18 3:59:35 PM
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but it is.
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Kitt
04/17/18 4:04:26 PM
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Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

Is it not?
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HylianFox
04/17/18 4:05:09 PM
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Rogue One was very Shakespearean in that everybody dies
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DoGCyN
04/17/18 4:06:46 PM
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But Rogue One was actually good.
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Muffinz0rz
04/17/18 4:07:12 PM
#10:


Kitt posted...
remember this is the same guy who said Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

Is it not?

No, it's not. It takes place in the wizarding world, a.k.a the same universe in which Harry Potter exists, but it is not a Harry Potter movie.
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Kitt
04/17/18 4:08:03 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
Kitt posted...
remember this is the same guy who said Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

Is it not?

It takes place in the wizarding world, a.k.a the same universe in which Harry Potter exists

Well then.
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NibeIungsnarf
04/17/18 4:08:15 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
Kitt posted...
remember this is the same guy who said Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

Is it not?

No, it's not. It takes place in the wizarding world, a.k.a the same universe in which Harry Potter exists, but it is not a Harry Potter movie.

That seems like a distinction without meaning.
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Stooge1969
04/17/18 4:10:53 PM
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they're both turds
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Muffinz0rz
04/17/18 4:20:02 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Kitt posted...
remember this is the same guy who said Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

Is it not?

No, it's not. It takes place in the wizarding world, a.k.a the same universe in which Harry Potter exists, but it is not a Harry Potter movie.

That seems like a distinction without meaning.

Prove to me that it's a Harry Potter movie.
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Kitt
04/17/18 4:20:41 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Kitt posted...
remember this is the same guy who said Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

Is it not?

No, it's not. It takes place in the wizarding world, a.k.a the same universe in which Harry Potter exists, but it is not a Harry Potter movie.

That seems like a distinction without meaning.

Sweet Tooth is not his name, it's the name of his vehicle. The clown is Needles Kane.

Kappa.
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Kitt
04/17/18 4:22:32 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Kitt posted...
remember this is the same guy who said Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

Is it not?

No, it's not. It takes place in the wizarding world, a.k.a the same universe in which Harry Potter exists, but it is not a Harry Potter movie.

That seems like a distinction without meaning.

Prove to me that it's a Harry Potter movie.

Because when people refer to it as a "Harry Potter" movie, chances are, they're referring to Harry Potter as an IP and not the character...
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hollow_shrine
04/17/18 4:22:49 PM
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I'm not in love with either, TBH.
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NibeIungsnarf
04/17/18 4:23:03 PM
#18:


Muffinz0rz posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Kitt posted...
remember this is the same guy who said Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

Is it not?

No, it's not. It takes place in the wizarding world, a.k.a the same universe in which Harry Potter exists, but it is not a Harry Potter movie.

That seems like a distinction without meaning.

Prove to me that it's a Harry Potter movie.

Harry Potter is a franchise moniker. It's a movie in that franchise. This seems like a petty squabble. I don't care whether or not you call Fantastic Beasts a Harry Potter movie I just think it's petty to get your panties in a bunch that some people do.
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Doctor Foxx
04/17/18 4:28:31 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
NibeIungsnarf posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Kitt posted...
remember this is the same guy who said Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter movie

Is it not?

No, it's not. It takes place in the wizarding world, a.k.a the same universe in which Harry Potter exists, but it is not a Harry Potter movie.

That seems like a distinction without meaning.

Prove to me that it's a Harry Potter movie.

Harry Potter is a franchise moniker. It's a movie in that franchise. This seems like a petty squabble. I don't care whether or not you call Fantastic Beasts a Harry Potter movie I just think it's petty to get your panties in a bunch that some people do.

No doubt. It's a Harry Potter Universe movie, which was agreed, and anything more is pedantic.
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hollow_shrine
04/17/18 4:33:40 PM
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Think of it in terms of The Hobbit's relationship to the Lord of the Rings trilogy or the Silmarillion.

There's no school. It's sixty years before the events of the novel. It's set in America instead of Britain. All of the cast members are adults instead of children and a handful of adults playing teachers. The only connection to Harry Potter comes from obscure backstory lore from the novels. Newt will write a magical zoology textbook that Harry will use for class in sixty years. The book and it's author will be name-dropped exactly once. And while all this drama is going down, Grindlewald is ramping up for the reign of terror, but is implied in the novel to start around this time in Europe. That's literally it. If JK Rowling hadn't written and sold a version of this book for charity purposes, the book and its title would be forgotten to all but the most attentive Harry Potter fans.

Beyond that, this is a fantasy story set in industrial America. Unless you want to claim all magical stories set outside of medieval settings are Harry Potter stories, you have to concede that Fantastic Beasts is not a Harry Potter story in subject matter, casting, tone, or theming, but is merely Harry Potter adjacent.
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Muffinz0rz
04/17/18 4:44:02 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
Think of it in terms of The Hobbit's relationship to the Lord of the Rings trilogy or the Silmarillion.

There's no school. It's sixty years before the events of the novel. It's set in America instead of Britain. All of the cast members are adults instead of children and a handful of adults playing teachers. The only connection to Harry Potter comes from obscure backstory lore from the novels. Newt will write a magical zoology textbook that Harry will use for class in sixty years. The book and it's author will be name-dropped exactly once. And while all this drama is going down, Grindlewald is ramping up for the reign of terror, but is implied in the novel to start around this time in Europe. That's literally it. If JK Rowling hadn't written and sold a version of this book for charity purposes, the book and its title would be forgotten to all but the most attentive Harry Potter fans.

Beyond that, this is a fantasy story set in industrial America. Unless you want to claim all magical stories set outside of medieval settings are Harry Potter stories, you have to concede that Fantastic Beasts is not a Harry Potter story in subject matter, casting, tone, or theming, but is merely Harry Potter adjacent.

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UnholyMudcrab
04/17/18 4:44:42 PM
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Raikuro
04/17/18 4:47:39 PM
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Your other topic he said it was technically a Harry Potter movie. Which it is. Technically.
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Muffinz0rz
04/17/18 4:49:09 PM
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Raikuro posted...
Your other topic he said it was technically a Harry Potter movie.

Right.

Raikuro posted...
Which it is. Technically.

Wrong.
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HylianFox
04/17/18 5:01:01 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
There's no school. It's sixty years before the events of the novel.

Pretty sure Hogwarts has been around since medieval times

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Doctor Foxx
04/17/18 5:08:50 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
Think of it in terms of The Hobbit's relationship to the Lord of the Rings trilogy or the Silmarillion.

There's no school. It's sixty years before the events of the novel. It's set in America instead of Britain. All of the cast members are adults instead of children and a handful of adults playing teachers. The only connection to Harry Potter comes from obscure backstory lore from the novels. Newt will write a magical zoology textbook that Harry will use for class in sixty years. The book and it's author will be name-dropped exactly once. And while all this drama is going down, Grindlewald is ramping up for the reign of terror, but is implied in the novel to start around this time in Europe. That's literally it. If JK Rowling hadn't written and sold a version of this book for charity purposes, the book and its title would be forgotten to all but the most attentive Harry Potter fans.

Beyond that, this is a fantasy story set in industrial America. Unless you want to claim all magical stories set outside of medieval settings are Harry Potter stories, you have to concede that Fantastic Beasts is not a Harry Potter story in subject matter, casting, tone, or theming, but is merely Harry Potter adjacent.

uhh

Professor Binns said the school is over 1,000 years old.

do you even understand the lore my friend
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sktgamer_13dude
04/17/18 5:11:17 PM
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The second one literally name drops Dumbledore in the trailer. Its a Harry Potter universe movie which means its basically a Harry Potter movie.
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Kitt
04/17/18 5:21:13 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
Unless you want to claim all magical stories set outside of medieval settings are Harry Potter stories, you have to concede that Fantastic Beasts is not a Harry Potter story in subject matter, casting, tone, or theming, but is merely Harry Potter adjacent.


NibeIungsnarf posted...
Harry Potter is a franchise moniker. It's a movie in that franchise. This seems like a petty squabble. I don't care whether or not you call Fantastic Beasts a Harry Potter movie I just think it's petty to get your panties in a bunch that some people do.


Kitt posted...
Because when people refer to it as a "Harry Potter" movie, chances are, they're referring to Harry Potter as an IP and not the character...

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hollow_shrine
04/17/18 5:25:19 PM
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HylianFox posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
There's no school. It's sixty years before the events of the novel.

Pretty sure Hogwarts has been around since medieval times

>__>

The name of the school Hogwarts is mentioned exactly once in Fantastic Beasts, when it's revealed Newt was apparently expelled and never graduated. The existence of Hogwarts is not particularly relevant to the setting and plot of Fantastic Beasts.

Doctor Foxx posted...
Professor Binns said the school is over 1,000 years old.

Yes, but Professor Bins is on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean for duration of this movie. He's not mentioned at all in Fantastic Beasts which makes sense because he's not particularly relevant to the plot here. Were you to simply see Fantastic Beasts you wouldn't know of the existence of a Professor Bins at all.

sktgamer_13dude posted...
The second one literally name drops Dumbledore in the trailer. Its a Harry Potter universe movie which means its basically a Harry Potter movie.

If anything that means the sequel, The Crimes of Grindlewald, is a Harry Potter movie, not Fantastic Beasts. That's like claiming the Hobbit is a Lord of the Rings book because Gandalf and Bilbo make an appearance in both books. I would still contest that it's not though, for all of the above mentioned reasons (tone, setting, timing, cast, theme, plot, etc.).

I've got to say, I don't think we're doing a very good job reading each others posts right now, so much as rushing to the end of things so we can type out our response. We're not talking to one another so much as we're talking at them. Perhaps slow down, and re-read posts before writing your reply.
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Doctor Foxx
04/17/18 5:43:41 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
If anything that means the sequel, The Crimes of Grindlewald, is a Harry Potter movie, not Fantastic Beasts. That's like claiming the Hobbit is a Lord of the Rings book because Gandalf and Bilbo make an appearance in both books. I would still contest that it's not though, for all of the above mentioned reasons (tone, setting, timing, cast, theme, plot, etc.).

The Star wars prequels are not star wars films because they don't take place on tattooine or have a death star or Luke or Leia

For that matter you'd have to say Rogue One is not a Star Wars film

Do you see the absurdity
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prince_leo
04/17/18 5:50:24 PM
#32:


hollow_shrine posted...
Unless you want to claim all magical stories set outside of medieval settings are Harry Potter stories,

no, just the ones that reference Hogwarts, muggles, Dumbledore, wand specific spells like 'expelliarmus' etc.
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BruceWayneJr
04/17/18 6:05:03 PM
#33:


Doctor Foxx posted...
The Star wars prequels are not star wars films because they don't take place on tattooine or have a death star or Luke or Leia


Heh, Tattooine is in all three films, a visual representation of the Death Star concept is in AOTC, and baby Luke and Leia are in the end of ROTS.

But of course Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter film. TC's just weird.
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Doctor Foxx
04/17/18 6:12:48 PM
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BruceWayneJr posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
The Star wars prequels are not star wars films because they don't take place on tattooine or have a death star or Luke or Leia


Heh, Tattooine is in all three prequels, a visual representation of the Death Star concept is in AOTC, and baby Luke and Leia are in the end of ROTS.

But of course Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter film. TC's just weird.

You're right. I've blanked on some of the prequels stuff

References to the wizarding world are in the fantastic beasts film. If Rogue One is a Star Wars film, Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter film (even though it's not part of the specific Harry Potter series)
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prince_leo
04/17/18 6:18:02 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
References to the wizarding world are in the fantastic beasts film. If Rogue One is a Star Wars film, Fantastic Beasts is a Harry Potter film (even though it's not part of the specific Harry Potter series)

exactly. being a stickler over people using "Harry Potter" as a brand name and not as a character is fucking weird
which I suppose is why they've come up with "Wizarding World" to help with those people

same as the comparison to the Hobbit and LOTR films. when people talk about them and call the Hobbit trilogy "Lord of the Rings films" they're not being unclear, they're just not using "Middle-Earth films" instead
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