Current Events > Why are people blaming Starbucks?

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How is it the companies fault and not solely the manager who called the police?

Its not possible that the company could foresee something like this happening and if they could they wouldnt have allowed it.

Because REEEEEEEEEEEE
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The people who you hire represents what you are. There's a bit of responsibility to that. Why is this so hard to figure out?
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No idea. Starbucks responded and seems to be handling the situation well. They've already stated it wasn't their policy and they've committed to adding "unconscious bias" training or whatever.

SK8T3R215 posted...

Because REEEEEEEEEEEE

pretty much

it's 2018, people need someone to blame, but just blaming some faceless manager isn't the same as blaming a billion dollar coffee conglomerate with international brand recognition
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Yeah its dumb. And every time I see someone say this all that I get in response is AWW WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE LIL CORPORATION

So that kinda says it all
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Veggeta X posted...

The people who you hire represents what you are. There's a bit of responsibility to that. Why is this so hard to figure out?

This isnt Ma & Pas local coffee shop. Starbucks has almost 250,000 employees and 30,000 stores, do you know how many dumbasses there are in the world?

Every company has idiots, they do something stupid they get fired. A company this large with such a singular infraction only proves that the company has been doing something RIGHT.

Is this too hard for you to comprehend?

Because the HR module on how to interact with potential customers without racially profiling them apparently needs work.

But really, you're responsible for what your employers do. They represent you. In this situation though, I wouldn't expect an employer to do anything more than fire an aberrant employee, unless there's some evidence that this kind of thing is a recurrent systemic problem in Starbucks operations. To my knowledge, there's no evidence of that.
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Every company has idiots and whose fault is it that idiot is in the company? Oh surely it isn't the company's fault they gave that idiot a job right? Blaming Starbucks isn't the answer here but people still gotta man up.

It's so fucking convenient for people to say it was an individual action sheesh.
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The people to blame in all of this are those so desperate for this to be an act of racism.
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Veggeta X posted...

The people who you hire represents what you are. There's a bit of responsibility to that. Why is this so hard to figure out?

Is this not a franchise model where someone owns the store and hires their own employees? If so then every other Starbucks has nothing to do with this.
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Is Starbucks even actually getting that much heat? Seems like every time something happens at starbucks there are more people complaining about complainers than about the company. Remember the Christmas cups?

Punctus_Pilot posted...

Is Starbucks even actually getting that much heat?

Naw the manager is and of course a BLM protest was not needed that was a little extreme.
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thelovefist posted...

The people to blame in all of this are those so desperate for this to be an act of racism.

The racial profiling is real. People 'loiter' in Starbucks all the time. In fact, it's kind of designed for that. The twitter thread to which the video exposing this was posted has stories of non-ethnic people doing this same thing for hours and never being asked to leave or having the police called on them, some of them being people who attended that actual location for years. The question isn't 'whether or not there was racial profiling.' The question is, 'to what extent did this Starbucks manager and the police engage in racial profiling.'
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/boycottstarbucks

This is actually trending.

As you'd expect, it's lots of bitching about completely unsubstantiated racism.
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A business has a right to decide who can go there. At this point though everything is racist until proven otherwise. :-/
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The Admiral posted...

https://twitter.com/hashtag/boycottstarbucks

This is actually trending.

As you'd expect, it's lots of bitching about completely unsubstantiated racism.

lmfao

by Friday, people will have forgotten and moved on to something else.
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I go to Starbucks enough to keep them in business.

If you go into an establishment, fucking order something. Otherwise, get the fuck out of my way.

You guys are falling for the color scheme, get over it. If you're taking up seats without paying, you need to leave.

If you are in a shit area, and they have a key for the bathroom, just realize you are in a shit area and maybe fucking move. No nice areas have locking bathrooms. They lock em up so transients don't stay in there for an hour shooting up.

This whole race thing is gonna bite all of you in your lame conformist asses.
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Veggeta X posted...

The people who you hire represents what you are. There's a bit of responsibility to that. Why is this so hard to figure out?

Do they have a question on their hiring process that asks if they are racist?
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Xavius posted...

A business has a right to decide who can go there.

The civil rights act might have some things so say about that that add some interesting wrinkles here. So long as they're not pushing people out the door on the basis of one it's protected categories, they're fine. They'd have to claim race was not a factor in asking these two men to leave, and defend that position against a backdrop of stories from other Starbucks patrons claiming to have done the same thing with no repercussions. That might be a hard sell. It's probably safer to just cut ties with the employee responsible and keep similar stories from surfacing until this all blows over.

Thrillwell posted...

I go to Starbucks enough to keep them in business.

If you go into an establishment, fucking order something. Otherwise, get the fuck out of my way.

You guys are falling for the color scheme, get over it. If you're taking up seats without paying, you need to leave.

If you are in a shit area, and they have a key for the bathroom, just realize you are in a shit area and maybe fucking move. No nice areas have locking bathrooms. They lock em up so transients don't stay in there for an hour shooting up.

This whole race thing is gonna bite all of you in your lame conformist asses.

I don't know if this topic warrants this level of vitriol. Furthermore, relevance?
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LightHawKnight posted...

Do they have a question on their hiring process that asks if they are racist?

I believe you accept a hire contract that says something that Starbucks doesn't discriminate at all. I mean I'm 100% every job has this.
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ASithLord7 posted...

Yeah its dumb. And every time I see someone say this all that I get in response is AWW WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE LIL CORPORATION

So that kinda says it all

Why are you expecting a serious response from socialists and communists?
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People are just looking for a way to venti their anger
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Veggeta X posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Do they have a question on their hiring process that asks if they are racist?

I believe you accept a hire contract that says something that Starbucks doesn't discriminate at all. I mean I'm 100% every job has this.

They need it to protect themselves in situations just like this. This way, any employee accused of racially profiling people can't pass the buck up management because they've signed an employment contract explaining that they're representing their employer, and the employer's official position is to serve everyone regardless of class. Anyone who acts outside that can be terminated without fear of legal reprisal.
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eston posted...

People are just looking for a way to venti their anger

I think a lot of today's outrage culture comes from insecurity. People want to show off how righteous they are by condemning others.
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Muffinz0rz posted...

The Admiral posted...

https://twitter.com/hashtag/boycottstarbucks

This is actually trending.

As you'd expect, it's lots of bitching about completely unsubstantiated racism.

lmfao

by Friday, people will have forgotten and moved on to something else.

Correct.

hollow_shrine posted...

Xavius posted...

A business has a right to decide who can go there.

The civil rights act might have some things so say about that that add some interesting wrinkles here. So long as they're not pushing people out the door on the basis of one it's protected categories, they're fine. They'd have to claim race was not a factor in asking these two men to leave, and defend that position against a backdrop of stories from other Starbucks patrons claiming to have done the same thing with no repercussions. That might be a hard sell. It's probably safer to just cut ties with the employee responsible and keep similar stories from surfacing until this all blows over.

Thrillwell posted...

I go to Starbucks enough to keep them in business.

If you go into an establishment, fucking order something. Otherwise, get the fuck out of my way.

You guys are falling for the color scheme, get over it. If you're taking up seats without paying, you need to leave.

If you are in a shit area, and they have a key for the bathroom, just realize you are in a shit area and maybe fucking move. No nice areas have locking bathrooms. They lock em up so transients don't stay in there for an hour shooting up.

This whole race thing is gonna bite all of you in your lame conformist asses.

I don't know if this topic warrants this level of vitriol. Furthermore, relevance?

It's about as relevant as the Starbucks issue. Must be relevant to you if you're here posting.
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Thrillwell posted...

It's about as relevant as the Starbucks issue. Must be relevant to you if you're here posting.

The only point of connection is that both this topic and your post are related to Starbucks. You're not talking about the issue for which Starbucks is supposedly getting blame, or those throwing blame, or anyone's response to the blame, or the process by which these blame games get started. Your post isn't particularly pertinent into the discussion here. These complaints are irrelevant.

At best, you didn't realize this. More likely, you're derailing the conversation by complaining about people who loiter in Starbucks without buying, and people who complain that Starbucks only makes their restroom available to paying customers with some random tangent about moving to nicer areas.

These complaints may be valid, but they would be more at home in a separate topic about generalized Starbucks complaints. Not this topic, about this specific incident.
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Veggeta X posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

Do they have a question on their hiring process that asks if they are racist?

I believe you accept a hire contract that says something that Starbucks doesn't discriminate at all. I mean I'm 100% every job has this.

Yeah, but whats stopping a person from lying to that question? It isn't as if the employer can tell until they do something racist. I mean they can look at the facebook and twitter accounts and if they don't act racist there, what then?
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Two minute hate

People like to be mad. These are the same guys who were mad at that Pepsi commercial. They will be mad at something else tomorrow

They don't actually care about people or issues. They just want to be mad all the time
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eston posted...

People are just looking for a way to venti their anger

I appreciate this even though others seemed to have skimmed it.
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Anteaterking posted...

eston posted...

People are just looking for a way to venti their anger

I appreciate this even though others seemed to have skimmed it.

When my friends make puns like this I pretend not to notice. It's my way of training them to do better.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Thrillwell posted...

It's about as relevant as the Starbucks issue. Must be relevant to you if you're here posting.

The only point of connection is that both this topic and your post are related to Starbucks. You're not talking about the issue for which Starbucks is supposedly getting blame, or those throwing blame, or anyone's response to the blame, or the process by which these blame games get started. Your post isn't particularly pertinent into the discussion here. These complaints are irrelevant.

At best, you didn't realize this. More likely, you're derailing the conversation by complaining about people who loiter in Starbucks without buying, and people who complain that Starbucks only makes their restroom available to paying customers with some random tangent about moving to nicer areas.

These complaints may be valid, but they would be more at home in a separate topic about generalized Starbucks complaints. Not this topic, about this specific incident.

I can't help but think you are different. Not in a bad way, but just kinda over the top cut and dry.
Do you have any odd mental status? No, I'm not digging for some sort of future weapon or trying to talk bad about you. I'm just curious. At any rate, have a nice day.
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