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Smashingpmkns
04/10/18 10:50:54 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
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If they don't have backwards compatibility they will be shooting themselves in the foot. Most of the PS4's good games are slated to release within the next few years, including hyped games like Spiderman, Last of Us 2, KH3, FF7 (lol probably a PS5 anyways second year release at this point), etc.

That being said, Sony is so out of touch with their user base I could 100% see them not including BC.


Not saying I agree with their tactics, but if I recall correctly, PS4 was off to a slow start. Not everyone rushed out to buy one within the first year or two as they did with the PS3. That's just my observations, though.


True, but no company releases a new product hoping that it'll sell in a few years and not immediately. It'll end up being a Wii U if they fuck up this bad.
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Darmik
04/10/18 10:53:04 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
If they don't have backwards compatibility they will be shooting themselves in the foot. Most of the PS4's good games are slated to release within the next few years, including hyped games like Spiderman, Last of Us 2, KH3, FF7 (lol probably a PS5 anyways second year release at this point), etc.

That being said, Sony is so out of touch with their user base I could 100% see them not including BC.


Not saying I agree with their tactics, but if I recall correctly, PS4 was off to a slow start. Not everyone rushed out to buy one within the first year or two as they did with the PS3. That's just my observations, though.


PS4 sold like gangbusters out the gate. PS3 had the slow start due to the price. The issue was the PS3 used weird ass cell architecture that was hard to emulate and it wasn't designed with forward compatibility in mind. As the PS4 software and hardware kept selling they really didn't need to invest in any BC so they haven't.

I don't think PS4 has this same issue at all. PS4 games seemed to be designed for eventual upgraded hardware (which lead to the PS4 Pro).
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JordanPeterson
04/10/18 10:54:14 PM
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I sold my PS4, and I've been sticking with Steam this gen. I'll pick up a PS5 and play the PS4 games I missed since they'll all be remastered and re-released.
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pres_madagascar
04/10/18 10:55:03 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
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I've had so many disc lenses break on me over the years. Hell, my current ps4 won't even accept disc's, the mechanism to do so is broken. I'm entirely digital right now with a 4tb drive so it's not a problem.

Lmao.

You either have extreme bad luck, very clumsy, or exaggerating.

I have bad luck. Always have.
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CruelBuffalo
04/10/18 10:56:07 PM
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Sony sure is for the gamers huh
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Cookie Bag
04/10/18 10:56:16 PM
#56:


Darmik posted...
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sauceje posted...
It says "may not", not "won't".

It should be backwards compatible, the may or may not is irrelevant, this is fucking dumb lol


The Kotaku article doesn't even say 'may not'

It says nothing about backwards compatibility at all. It even outright says that most things about it aren't finalized.

Yeah mental fart i completely butchered what i was going to say lol

But yeah this even being an issue is ridiculous, the god damn console should be backwards compatible in any scenario possible otherwise they're gonna piss a huge portion of their userbase.
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JordanPeterson
04/10/18 10:57:00 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Sony sure is for the gamers huh


Xbone didn't have BC until Sony rofflestomped Microsoft.
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Romulox28
04/10/18 10:57:52 PM
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No bc = no buy

Simple as that
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pres_madagascar
04/10/18 10:58:02 PM
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Also, price is a factor too. You can get a good premade pc for 700ish dollars now, so if the new consoles are anything more than $400....
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sauceje
04/10/18 11:00:11 PM
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Cookie Bag posted...
But yeah this even being an issue is ridiculous, the god damn console should be backwards compatible in any scenario possible otherwise they're gonna piss a huge portion of their userbase.

I absolutely agree, if it isn't then Sony deserves to get shit on and Microsoft better not fucking drop the ball when it's on their court lol
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Darmik
04/10/18 11:02:55 PM
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JordanPeterson posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Sony sure is for the gamers huh


Xbone didn't have BC until Sony rofflestomped Microsoft.


They had been working on it since 2007 though

http://ign.com/articles/2017/10/23/the-untold-story-of-xbox-one-backwards-compatibility
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LightningAce11
04/10/18 11:04:12 PM
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BC should always be a thing. Not everybody has access to old consoles.
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CanuckCowboy
04/10/18 11:06:37 PM
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Sooooo.... Ps4 marks the second Gen of Sony consoles where FFVII was a lie.

Fuck off you fucks. Newly glad I haven't gotten a current Gen console.
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RE_expert44
04/10/18 11:07:16 PM
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Wasn't the ps4 built to be on easy to develop for hardware that is similar to pc infrastructure? If ps5 is the same I don't see why BC is out of the question
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Darmik
04/10/18 11:08:36 PM
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RE_expert44 posted...
Wasn't the ps4 built to be on easy to develop for hardware that is similar to pc infrastructure? If ps5 is the same I don't see why BC is out of the question


Yes. Which is why I'd be pretty surprised if it doesn't have it.
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Smashingpmkns
04/10/18 11:23:15 PM
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I think the worst part about this new gen coming out so soon is that neither the One nor the PS4 have had any real break out games. No new IP they could build off of. The closest we have is probably Sunset Overdrive.

The 360 and the PS3 had a shit ton of new IPs. And if the PS5 isn't BC we're going to be playing sequels to games that started 2 gens before that you have no way of playing unless they sell a remastered version. Which is shitty.
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Darmik
04/10/18 11:26:13 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
I think the worst part about this new gen coming out so soon is that neither the One nor the PS4 have had any real break out games. No new IP they could build off of. The closest we have is probably Sunset Overdrive.


Horizon Zero Dawn?
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Smashingpmkns
04/10/18 11:28:57 PM
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Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
I think the worst part about this new gen coming out so soon is that neither the One nor the PS4 have had any real break out games. No new IP they could build off of. The closest we have is probably Sunset Overdrive.


Horizon Zero Dawn?


Damn 2 IPs lol completely forgot about HZD. Pretty bad regardless. 360 and PS3 both built an amazing future lineup that it seems like was squandered this gen, and both companies seem to forget that they probably should have made new IPs. Without them, this gen is pretty hard to define.
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Darmik
04/10/18 11:32:09 PM
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26_Sandman_39 posted...
Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
I think the worst part about this new gen coming out so soon is that neither the One nor the PS4 have had any real break out games. No new IP they could build off of. The closest we have is probably Sunset Overdrive.


Horizon Zero Dawn?


He said games, not movies.


That... literally doesn't match Horizon Zero Dawn at all.

Smashingpmkns posted...
Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
I think the worst part about this new gen coming out so soon is that neither the One nor the PS4 have had any real break out games. No new IP they could build off of. The closest we have is probably Sunset Overdrive.


Horizon Zero Dawn?


Damn 2 IPs lol completely forgot about HZD. Pretty bad regardless. 360 and PS3 both built an amazing future lineup that it seems like was squandered this gen, and both companies seem to forget that they probably should have made new IPs. Without them, this gen is pretty hard to define.


I think Until Dawn and Bloodborne will be franchises as well.

They both have a few new IP's that won't evolve into franchises but that happens.
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ViewtifulGrave
04/10/18 11:33:56 PM
#74:


Romulox28 posted...
No bc = no buy

Simple as that

I dont get this mentality.

Sure I understand convenience, but the main draw should be for the new games and features.
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Ben_Ruggiero
04/10/18 11:34:32 PM
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Meanwhile I'll be playing KOTOR II and jedi academy in 4K 60fps on my one X lol
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Tyranthraxus
04/10/18 11:35:00 PM
#76:


ViewtifulGrave posted...
Romulox28 posted...
No bc = no buy

Simple as that

I dont get this mentality.

Sure I understand convenience, but the main draw should be for the new games and features.

New games like Call of Duty Again and The Last of Us ReRemastered
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Smashingpmkns
04/10/18 11:36:19 PM
#77:


Darmik posted...
26_Sandman_39 posted...
Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
I think the worst part about this new gen coming out so soon is that neither the One nor the PS4 have had any real break out games. No new IP they could build off of. The closest we have is probably Sunset Overdrive.


Horizon Zero Dawn?


He said games, not movies.


That... literally doesn't match Horizon Zero Dawn at all.

Smashingpmkns posted...
Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
I think the worst part about this new gen coming out so soon is that neither the One nor the PS4 have had any real break out games. No new IP they could build off of. The closest we have is probably Sunset Overdrive.


Horizon Zero Dawn?


Damn 2 IPs lol completely forgot about HZD. Pretty bad regardless. 360 and PS3 both built an amazing future lineup that it seems like was squandered this gen, and both companies seem to forget that they probably should have made new IPs. Without them, this gen is pretty hard to define.


I think Until Dawn and Bloodborne will be franchises as well.

They both have a few new IP's that won't evolve into franchises but that happens.


Really lowering the bar compared to last gen, with the exception of Bloodborne.
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Darmik
04/10/18 11:41:45 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Really lowering the bar compared to last gen, with the exception of Bloodborne.


Is it?

Microsoft had Gears of War and Forza. I guess Mass Effect as well if you want to include that.

Sony had Uncharted, Resistance and The Last of Us right at the end of the gen.

It's a step down for Microsoft sure but Sony seems around the same IMO
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Smashingpmkns
04/10/18 11:49:53 PM
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Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Really lowering the bar compared to last gen, with the exception of Bloodborne.


Is it?

Microsoft had Gears of War and Forza. I guess Mass Effect as well if you want to include that.

Sony had Uncharted, Resistance and The Last of Us right at the end of the gen.

It's a step down for Microsoft sure but Sony seems around the same IMO


Uh yeah definitely. There was a craze around Uncharted and Last of Us. There's no PS4 game this gen that even matches those. HZD is basically comparable to your regular Ubisoft open world game, Until Dawn doesn't do much more than your regular interactive novel game, and Bloodborne, albeit being great, is another Soulsborne game and is not as accessible nor as popular as those aforementioned games.
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ViewtifulGrave
04/10/18 11:50:29 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
ViewtifulGrave posted...
Romulox28 posted...
No bc = no buy

Simple as that

I dont get this mentality.

Sure I understand convenience, but the main draw should be for the new games and features.

New games like Call of Duty Again and The Last of Us ReRemastered

Im sure youre the life of the party.

Anyways I was talking about possible new IP and sequels.
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chill02
04/10/18 11:53:58 PM
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I'm just sticking with PC games from now on
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Darmik
04/10/18 11:59:26 PM
#82:


Smashingpmkns posted...
Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Really lowering the bar compared to last gen, with the exception of Bloodborne.


Is it?

Microsoft had Gears of War and Forza. I guess Mass Effect as well if you want to include that.

Sony had Uncharted, Resistance and The Last of Us right at the end of the gen.

It's a step down for Microsoft sure but Sony seems around the same IMO


Uh yeah definitely. There was a craze around Uncharted and Last of Us. There's no PS4 game this gen that even matches those. HZD is basically comparable to your regular Ubisoft open world game, Until Dawn doesn't do much more than your regular interactive novel game, and Bloodborne, albeit being great, is another Soulsborne game and is not as accessible nor as popular as those aforementioned games.


Horizon Zero Dawn has already outsold Uncharted 2. It matches those fine.
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Smashingpmkns
04/11/18 12:04:30 AM
#83:


Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Really lowering the bar compared to last gen, with the exception of Bloodborne.


Is it?

Microsoft had Gears of War and Forza. I guess Mass Effect as well if you want to include that.

Sony had Uncharted, Resistance and The Last of Us right at the end of the gen.

It's a step down for Microsoft sure but Sony seems around the same IMO


Uh yeah definitely. There was a craze around Uncharted and Last of Us. There's no PS4 game this gen that even matches those. HZD is basically comparable to your regular Ubisoft open world game, Until Dawn doesn't do much more than your regular interactive novel game, and Bloodborne, albeit being great, is another Soulsborne game and is not as accessible nor as popular as those aforementioned games.


Horizon Zero Dawn has already outsold Uncharted 2. It matches those fine.


It definitely doesn't. The Uncharted series/Last of Us are a lot of people's favorite game of all time. HZD wasn't even the best game to come out that fiscal month.
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DarthAragorn
04/11/18 12:04:49 AM
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Yes it was, tbh
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pres_madagascar
04/11/18 12:06:18 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
Really lowering the bar compared to last gen, with the exception of Bloodborne.


Is it?

Microsoft had Gears of War and Forza. I guess Mass Effect as well if you want to include that.

Sony had Uncharted, Resistance and The Last of Us right at the end of the gen.

It's a step down for Microsoft sure but Sony seems around the same IMO


Uh yeah definitely. There was a craze around Uncharted and Last of Us. There's no PS4 game this gen that even matches those. HZD is basically comparable to your regular Ubisoft open world game, Until Dawn doesn't do much more than your regular interactive novel game, and Bloodborne, albeit being great, is another Soulsborne game and is not as accessible nor as popular as those aforementioned games.

Wat. Hzd is amazing.
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Darmik
04/11/18 12:06:58 AM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
It definitely doesn't. The Uncharted series/Last of Us are a lot of people's favorite game of all time. HZD wasn't even the best game to come out that fiscal month.


This is pretty damn specific criteria now. Horizon Zero Dawn is a great game. I consider it better than Uncharted and TLOU.

Releasing the same month as BOTW isn't a knock against the game.
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pres_madagascar
04/11/18 12:09:36 AM
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Darmik posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
It definitely doesn't. The Uncharted series/Last of Us are a lot of people's favorite game of all time. HZD wasn't even the best game to come out that fiscal month.


This is pretty damn specific criteria now. Horizon Zero Dawn is a great game. I consider it better than Uncharted and TLOU.

Releasing the same month as BOTW isn't a knock against the game.

This.
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