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chill02
04/09/18 1:55:01 PM
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the only official statement I could find was this:

"for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"


but that sounds so vague >_>
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Zikten
04/09/18 1:55:52 PM
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He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him
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Solid Sonic
04/09/18 1:56:37 PM
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Zikten posted...
He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him

It's a double-edged sword. By accepting it he can use it as credibility to continue promoting...whatever it is he won the award for.

Sadly the TC is right, that is vague.
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_BlueMonk
04/09/18 1:56:42 PM
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Zikten posted...
He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him

ah, so thats why people dont like you

welcome to my ignore list!
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Sephiroth1288
04/09/18 1:56:42 PM
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He was a president who was black.
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Pepys Monster
04/09/18 1:57:23 PM
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Obummer shouldn't have gotten that prize after using drone strikes as the solution to everything.
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southcoast09
04/09/18 1:57:44 PM
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Zikten posted...
He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him

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Zikten
04/09/18 1:57:52 PM
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_BlueMonk posted...
Zikten posted...
He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him

ah, so thats why people dont like you

welcome to my ignore list!

????

I honestly thought we were friends. We talked a few times pleasantly recently

Wtf I am so confused
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JeanAmpteau
04/09/18 1:58:12 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
He was a president who was black.


He's the one who formed NATO, right?
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KILBOTz
04/09/18 1:58:13 PM
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Sephiroth1288
04/09/18 1:59:56 PM
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JeanAmpteau posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
He was a president who was black.


He's the one who formed NATO, right?

You need help.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
04/09/18 2:00:41 PM
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JeanAmpteau
04/09/18 2:02:03 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
JeanAmpteau posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...
He was a president who was black.


He's the one who formed NATO, right?

You need help.


You need education

Just asking for a friend. It had to be either Bush or Obama who formed NATO, right? Since it happened post 9/11. Or was it actually Trump?
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The_Weird_Gamer
04/09/18 2:02:24 PM
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Zikten posted...
_BlueMonk posted...
Zikten posted...
He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him

ah, so thats why people dont like you

welcome to my ignore list!

????

I honestly thought we were friends. We talked a few times pleasantly recently

Wtf I am so confused


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Hinakuluiau
04/09/18 2:02:59 PM
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Sephiroth1288 posted...
He was a president who was black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImHZsSqB11U" data-time="

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prince_leo
04/09/18 2:04:35 PM
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iirc he was given it for shifting America's style of diplomacy, and for his efforts with nuclear weapons
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chill02
04/09/18 2:06:23 PM
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doing a bit more digging it was apparently because of that speech he made in Cairo, but nothing really came out of it
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Anteaterking
04/09/18 2:07:29 PM
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Zikten posted...
He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him


Why shouldn't he have accepted it? The Peace Prize was already a huge joke before then.
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lilORANG
04/09/18 2:07:31 PM
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Even he joked about not deserving it.

But of course he should accept it. It comes with prize money, which he donated.
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gamer167
04/09/18 2:08:06 PM
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For all the peace he brought to the Middle East with those drone strikes.
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Zikten
04/09/18 2:08:45 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
Zikten posted...
He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him


Why shouldn't he have accepted it? The Peace Prize was already a huge joke before then.

I feel like it would show more humility and to teach the Peace prize people to be more restrained , if he said thanks but no I don't deserve it.
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frozenshock
04/09/18 2:09:16 PM
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Bush was seen around the world as a huge warmonger. Then comew obama who looks like hes trying to bring people together. It was such a huge contrast in image
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Muffinz0rz
04/09/18 2:11:10 PM
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Zikten posted...
_BlueMonk posted...
Zikten posted...
He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him

ah, so thats why people dont like you

welcome to my ignore list!

????

I honestly thought we were friends. We talked a few times pleasantly recently

Wtf I am so confused

I think he's really backslid recently. I had a pleasant talk with him about credit cards when I was trying figure my shit out about rewards and credit and shit.

These days all I ever see is him proclaiming he's ignoring someone

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76500538/899346171

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8lxro77

^ I have no idea why that one doesn't have a topic

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plus this whole topic

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P4wn4g3
04/09/18 2:11:34 PM
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Tbqh the Nobel Peace prize thing was really fucking dumb. Like goddamn do we really need to give minorities rewards for succeeding in life? If so I'm collecting, give me my fucking prize for succeeding at life with a disability.
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mattnd2007
04/09/18 2:12:41 PM
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Exactly. bama was an okay POTUS to me. But in no way was he a peaceful POTUS. Like we peaced the shit out of those mofos with drone strikes or what?
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YukihoHagiwara
04/09/18 3:48:59 PM
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ThanksUglyGod
04/09/18 3:54:19 PM
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I like how topics like these make it seem like drone strikes were the only thing Obama did. Not like the Iran Deal, Paris Agreement, restoring ties with Cuba, combating Ebola in West Africa had any effect on the world.
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Solid Sonic
04/09/18 4:03:46 PM
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frozenshock posted...
Bush was seen around the world as a huge warmonger. Then comew obama who looks like hes trying to bring people together. It was such a huge contrast in image

Obama never had to respond to a direct attack against civilians of the United States. Much as Bush was fairly dense when it came to long-term strategy, far more chips were on the table with Bush's administration than anything that happened in the Obama years. Few presidents have had to respond to such an awful event in their presidency.
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DevsBro
04/09/18 4:05:46 PM
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KILBOTz posted...
basically for not being Bush.

This was always my take on it. People hated Bush so mouth-foamingly badly that they gave a NPP to Obama for literally just being the guy who was there when Bush went away.
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creativerealms
04/09/18 4:05:50 PM
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For not being W.
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DevsBro
04/09/18 4:08:20 PM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
I like how topics like these make it seem like drone strikes were the only thing Obama did. Not like the Iran Deal, Paris Agreement, restoring ties with Cuba, combating Ebola in West Africa had any effect on the world.

It might not have been the only thing but really, if drone strikes don't disqualify you from the running for NPP, what does?
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metralo
04/09/18 4:09:14 PM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
I like how topics like these make it seem like drone strikes were the only thing Obama did. Not like the Iran Deal, Paris Agreement, restoring ties with Cuba, combating Ebola in West Africa had any effect on the world.


this board is full of alt righters, not surprising

on topic, no he didn't deserve it, and he knows he didn't (he says so himself). he got it because he wasn't bush
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Solid Sonic
04/09/18 4:09:48 PM
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DevsBro posted...
KILBOTz posted...
basically for not being Bush.

This was always my take on it. People hated Bush so mouth-foamingly badly that they gave a NPP to Obama for literally just being the guy who was there when Bush went away.

Well Bush alienated a lot of allies in his pursuit of justice. The Iraq offensive in particular didn't make any sense in the context of what had happened on 9/11 and he was called out for his flimsy rhetoric.

I'm not saying what happened wasn't a good thing, it's the pretext that annoys everyone. That you could punch holes left and right behind why it was being done and that many agreed it was using the war on terror to finish what his father never could as president. Plus with Cheney's prior involvement with Halliburton, attempting to go into Iraq was seen as a conflict of interest.
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Mistere Man
04/09/18 4:10:33 PM
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Tyranthraxus
04/09/18 4:12:35 PM
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He got it for bombing a doctors without borders hospital
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The Admiral
04/09/18 4:14:08 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
Zikten posted...
_BlueMonk posted...
Zikten posted...
He shouldn't have accepted it. If he had rejected the prize I would have more respect for him

ah, so thats why people dont like you

welcome to my ignore list!

????

I honestly thought we were friends. We talked a few times pleasantly recently

Wtf I am so confused

I think he's really backslid recently. I had a pleasant talk with him about credit cards when I was trying figure my shit out about rewards and credit and shit.

These days all I ever see is him proclaiming he's ignoring someone

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76500538/899346171

Bfuatp5

OJzGOwm

8lxro77

^ I have no idea why that one doesn't have a topic

h4Z3u2V

BFKIBQD

plus this whole topic

2jsq9Ut


Jesus Christ...
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FreezerDoor
04/09/18 4:14:38 PM
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This reddit post sums it up well.

Well, winners of Nobel Peace Prizes fall into two main categories: 1) world leaders who have negotiated a peace or initiated a peace process. Like Henry Kissinger, Yassir Arafat, and Teddy Roosevelt. And 2) non-world leaders who are in some kind of situation of conflict and are trying to minimized deaths and end the conflict. These people have the potential, or already are, great symbols of peace, but they have no real power. Giving them the Peace Prize legitimates them and gives their activities world attention, or greater world attention, which may save their life if they're the target of enemies of peace and liberty. Like Malala, Rigoberta Menchu, or the Dalai Lama. Some might have accomplished a lot, but others might just have the potential to accomplish a lot, and the Nobel increases their ability to accomplish their goals.

So the thing about Obama is that he was someone in category 1, who was really getting an award like he was somebody in category 2. He was this very powerful world leader (but just barely--he'd only just become president), but hadn't yet done anything to accomplish peace. But he was a great symbol to the world, after 7 pretty miserable years when people around the world watched as the Bush administration ran roughshod over things like the Geneva Convention (yes I know that the Bush administration crafted an argument for why they weren't violating any treaties or standards of decency by torturing prisoners or imprisoning people indefinitely in Guantanamo or attacking Iraq with reasons that were tissue-thin lies, etc., but few outside of the US agreed with their argument, and a very large percentage of Americans didn't agree with the arguments either), and felt that the Bush adminstration was guilty of war crimes. So when Obama became president, it seemed to a lot of people around the world that this reign of violence would be over. There was an enormous amount of hope invested in Obama. It's hard to fully convey the happiness with which his election was greeted by a large percentage of the world. People were dancing in the streets. Though of course people opposed to Obama and supportive of the Bush administration were furious and would definitely dissent from this view, with many being sure that Obama was a secret Muslim who would shortly destroy the US. But I'm not addressing whether or not Obama should have won the award, I'm only explaining why, and this is an accurate description of mood. So with this attitude of hope for the future and change from the Bush administration, the Nobel committee chose Obama for the prize with the feeling that this would give him greater legitimacy on the world stage to accomplish the actions that so many had been hoping for for so long. But, unlike most other world leaders who have won Nobels in the past, he hadn't yet achieved any activities worthy of the prize.

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Solid Sonic
04/09/18 4:15:18 PM
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I recall getting ignored by BlueMonk because I faux-greentexted.
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ViewtifulGrave
04/09/18 5:25:40 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Tbqh the Nobel Peace prize thing was really fucking dumb. Like goddamn do we really need to give minorities rewards for succeeding in life? If so I'm collecting, give me my fucking prize for succeeding at life with a disability.

Lmao
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Iodine
04/09/18 5:27:19 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Tbqh the Nobel Peace prize thing was really fucking dumb. Like goddamn do we really need to give minorities rewards for succeeding in life? If so I'm collecting, give me my fucking prize for succeeding at life with a disability.

Jesus Christ.
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Medz1286
04/09/18 5:28:38 PM
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Noble peace prize is a joke. Anyone can kill for one.
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chill02
04/09/18 5:31:01 PM
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FreezerDoor posted...
This reddit post sums it up well.

Well, winners of Nobel Peace Prizes fall into two main categories: 1) world leaders who have negotiated a peace or initiated a peace process. Like Henry Kissinger, Yassir Arafat, and Teddy Roosevelt. And 2) non-world leaders who are in some kind of situation of conflict and are trying to minimized deaths and end the conflict. These people have the potential, or already are, great symbols of peace, but they have no real power. Giving them the Peace Prize legitimates them and gives their activities world attention, or greater world attention, which may save their life if they're the target of enemies of peace and liberty. Like Malala, Rigoberta Menchu, or the Dalai Lama. Some might have accomplished a lot, but others might just have the potential to accomplish a lot, and the Nobel increases their ability to accomplish their goals.

So the thing about Obama is that he was someone in category 1, who was really getting an award like he was somebody in category 2. He was this very powerful world leader (but just barely--he'd only just become president), but hadn't yet done anything to accomplish peace. But he was a great symbol to the world, after 7 pretty miserable years when people around the world watched as the Bush administration ran roughshod over things like the Geneva Convention (yes I know that the Bush administration crafted an argument for why they weren't violating any treaties or standards of decency by torturing prisoners or imprisoning people indefinitely in Guantanamo or attacking Iraq with reasons that were tissue-thin lies, etc., but few outside of the US agreed with their argument, and a very large percentage of Americans didn't agree with the arguments either), and felt that the Bush adminstration was guilty of war crimes. So when Obama became president, it seemed to a lot of people around the world that this reign of violence would be over. There was an enormous amount of hope invested in Obama. It's hard to fully convey the happiness with which his election was greeted by a large percentage of the world. People were dancing in the streets. Though of course people opposed to Obama and supportive of the Bush administration were furious and would definitely dissent from this view, with many being sure that Obama was a secret Muslim who would shortly destroy the US. But I'm not addressing whether or not Obama should have won the award, I'm only explaining why, and this is an accurate description of mood. So with this attitude of hope for the future and change from the Bush administration, the Nobel committee chose Obama for the prize with the feeling that this would give him greater legitimacy on the world stage to accomplish the actions that so many had been hoping for for so long. But, unlike most other world leaders who have won Nobels in the past, he hadn't yet achieved any activities worthy of the prize.


so tl;dr version

KILBOTz posted...
basically for not being Bush.


I can live with that
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JeanAmpteau
04/09/18 5:33:02 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Tbqh the Nobel Peace prize thing was really fucking dumb. Like goddamn do we really need to give minorities rewards for succeeding in life? If so I'm collecting, give me my fucking prize for succeeding at life with a disability.


Ignorance isn't a disability
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P4wn4g3
04/09/18 7:26:18 PM
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JeanAmpteau posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Tbqh the Nobel Peace prize thing was really fucking dumb. Like goddamn do we really need to give minorities rewards for succeeding in life? If so I'm collecting, give me my fucking prize for succeeding at life with a disability.


Ignorance isn't a disability

Enlighten me then.
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P4wn4g3
04/10/18 11:59:42 AM
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So I mean next time you want to tell others they don't know anything you might want to actually have some facts you're about to put out there so you don't sound like a dumbasses knee jerked reationist.
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tennisdude818
04/10/18 12:07:21 PM
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To crap on W.
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