Current Events > Overwatch League player finished for sexual actions to a 14 year old girl

(+) Yeah! (+)

A 16 year old girl has appeared also.

https://heavy.com/games/2018/04/dreamkazper-has-a-second-alleged-victim-16-years-old-exclusive/

Now, a second girl has come forward this time 16 has come forward. In her own words, the girl told Heavy the following, talking about Jonathan DreamKazper Sanchez and his solicitation of pics and a meetup:

He was messaging/facetiming/etc with me. He told me he liked me and even bought me a plane ticket to go and see him, pressured me to send him nudes, etc

Here are the details weve uncovered. First, Sanchez purchased this 16-year-old girl airline tickets to meet up, the girl says. Before they actually met up, the girl cancelled last-minute, claiming her mom wouldnt let her actually make the trip.

Below, youll find a few bits from the conversation provided to Heavy, showing that Sanchez offered to pay and was aware of her age (claiming he is just two years older).

Yes! There are screenshots of this in the article!
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Crazy how many people on CE choose defending pedophilia as their hill to die on.

26_Sandman_39 posted...

implying being a pedophile isnt worthy of being derogatory?

Assuming it's a chosen behavior, then sure. Degrade away.

I haven't done any research on pedophilia. I'm not sure if there are any major studies, as the behavior is, rightfully, taboo.

I find it difficult to fathom that an adult would have anything in common with a 13 year old, much less sexual desires.

I don't think people are ready to discuss whether or not pedophilia is an immutable characteristic. As in, something the person has little to no control over.

If it is immutable, and people really cannot control their sexual attraction, I think there should be readily available outlets (ie therapy backed by research) to help these people, BEFORE they cross that line.

Some may think that similar research may be exploited for gay conversion, however, there is a key difference. That is to say, children are involved in the case of pedophilia.
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DepreceV2 posted...

We aren't demonizing mentally ill. We are demonizing Pedophiles and murders. Them being mentally ill is besides the point.

That's like demonizing a black guy that murdered someone and say we can't demonize him because that's racist. The fuck?

You realize that the term "pedophile" doesn't mean that they've acted on it in any way, right? Literally just a clinical term for a particular paraphilia.
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Crazy how many people on CE choose defending pedophilia as their hill to die on.

Nobody is dying on any hill. I'm simply consistent with my viewpoints. I don't become inconsistent when it becomes socially inconvenient to remain consistent.
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COVxy posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

We aren't demonizing mentally ill. We are demonizing Pedophiles and murders. Them being mentally ill is besides the point.

That's like demonizing a black guy that murdered someone and say we can't demonize him because that's racist. The fuck?

You realize that the term "pedophile" doesn't mean that they've acted on it in any way, right? Literally just a clinical term for a particular paraphilia.

Ok fine. That hardly matters with the point I was making. Tell me the term I need and I'll repost my comment and change the term.
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DepreceV2 posted...

Ok fine. That hardly matters with the point I was making. Tell me the term I need and I'll repost my comment and change the term.

Child rapist. And if you've been taking notes, I've never said anything about defending child rapists from stigmatization.
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COVxy posted...

26_Sandman_39 posted...

I think people who kill people probably have something wrong in their brains too. Should we absolve them for their lack of using self control to keep in check their disgusting and objectively terrible behavior?

I mean, in no way is comparable, but I think compassion for those who have committed heinous crimes is probably more helpful than anything else as well. Understanding the human condition, rather than devolving into vengeance, is more likely to yield appropriate control systems.

But, let's get back to the case where you are demonizing a mentally ill population, many of which haven't committed any crimes.

We aren't demonizing mentally ill. We are demonizing CHILD RAPIST and murders. Them being mentally ill is besides the point.

That's like demonizing a black guy that murdered someone and say we can't demonize him because that's racist. The fuck?

That better?
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COVxy posted...

And if you've been taking notes, I've never said anything about defending child rapists from stigmatization.

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His contract is now terminated

https://twitter.com/BostonUprising/status/983408004128272384
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

His contract is now terminated

https://twitter.com/BostonUprising/status/983408004128272384

Most normal people wouldnt have a problem with this, but judging by the comments it seems like a startling number of Overwatch players are cool with child predators.

FursonaNonGrata posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

His contract is now terminated

https://twitter.com/BostonUprising/status/983408004128272384

Most normal people wouldnt have a problem with this, but judging by the comments it seems like a startling number of Overwatch players are cool with child predators.

Ain't the internet a grand place?
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thelovefist posted...

COVxy posted...

myzz7 posted...

"BUT WAIT GUYS. its not pedophilia it is hebephilia! she is after puberty!!"

aaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Idk why people take such pride in using technical terminology incorrectly.

Because most people doubt it is motivated out of a pure desire to see the correct word used and suspect it is done so because of more dubious reasons.

What possible dubious reason? Hebophelia is as illegal as pedophilia

COVxy posted...

COVxy posted...

And if you've been taking notes, I've never said anything about defending child rapists from stigmatization.

You pretty much said it's bad demonize people that have committed terrible crimes. So you are just going to hang on the fence? Nkt defend them but not demonize them either? I'm sorry but I can't do it. If I don't clearly state how awful an individual is for doing those things then its practically the same as defending them IMO.
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DepreceV2 posted...

You pretty much said it's bad demonize people that have committed terrible crimes.

No, I said in response to another question that compassion is probably a better approach to actually finding solutions and preventing these things in the future.

But that is beside the actual conversation, where another user stated that pedophiles deserve to be demonized.
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brotrrwinner posted...

So what exactly was the harm caused here?

CE, everyone.
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COVxy posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

You pretty much said it's bad demonize people that have committed terrible crimes.

No, I said in response to another question that compassion is probably a better approach to actually finding solutions and preventing these things in the future.

But that is beside the actual conversation, where another user stated that pedophiles deserve to be demonized.

I mean, in no way is comparable, but I think compassion for those who have committed heinous crimes is probably more helpful than anything else as well.

You came at me about misusing the word "pedophile." You should reword this statement because you are covering all evil crimes with this statement. It doesn't matter if you were responding to someone talking about pedophiles or not.
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DepreceV2 posted...

COVxy posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

You pretty much said it's bad demonize people that have committed terrible crimes.

No, I said in response to another question that compassion is probably a better approach to actually finding solutions and preventing these things in the future.

But that is beside the actual conversation, where another user stated that pedophiles deserve to be demonized.

I mean, in no way is comparable, but I think compassion for those who have committed heinous crimes is probably more helpful than anything else as well.

You came at me about misusing the word "pedophile." You should reword this statement because you are covering all evil crimes with this statement. It doesn't matter if you were responding to someone talking about pedophiles or not.

Are you unable to discriminate different conversations?
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COVxy posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

COVxy posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

You pretty much said it's bad demonize people that have committed terrible crimes.

No, I said in response to another question that compassion is probably a better approach to actually finding solutions and preventing these things in the future.

But that is beside the actual conversation, where another user stated that pedophiles deserve to be demonized.

I mean, in no way is comparable, but I think compassion for those who have committed heinous crimes is probably more helpful than anything else as well.

You came at me about misusing the word "pedophile." You should reword this statement because you are covering all evil crimes with this statement. It doesn't matter if you were responding to someone talking about pedophiles or not.

Are you unable to discriminate different conversations?

You do know what the word "heinous" means right? It doesn't matter if it was a different conversation. I can quote the entire conversation and I would disagree with your statement. Just because you were talking to someone else about pedophiles doesn't mean your statement doesn't cover all the bases. You talking to that person doesn't magically make it only about pedophiles.
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DepreceV2 posted...

You do know what the word "heinous" means right? It doesn't matter if it was a different conversation. I can quote the entire conversation and I would disagree with your statement. Just because you were talking to someone else about pedophiles doesn't mean your statement doesn't cover all the bases. You talking to that person doesn't magically make it only about pedophiles.

You're combining two points, where one of them was prefaced by "this is beside the point".
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I get the feeling that you just want to disagree with me, and it doesn't matter what.
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COVxy posted...

DepreceV2 posted...

You do know what the word "heinous" means right? It doesn't matter if it was a different conversation. I can quote the entire conversation and I would disagree with your statement. Just because you were talking to someone else about pedophiles doesn't mean your statement doesn't cover all the bases. You talking to that person doesn't magically make it only about pedophiles.

You're combining two points, where one of them was prefaced by "this is beside the point".

It seems we will never be on the same page about this because you seem to try to excuse it by saying you're combining points or say that's besides the point. None of that matters.

Let me give a dumbed down example. If you think this example is bad/false then correct me and I'll see if it matches up with what you're saying.

Let's say I'm walking by and I hear you and a friend talking. He ask you if you are going to buy an.. IDK.. a Porsche. You tell him you hate Porsche cars but that's beside the point because I don't have the money anyway.

Just because you weren't talking to me and you don't have the money doesn't mean you didn't say/mean you don't like Porsche cars.

That's what I'm saying.
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It's more like we're having an argument and you find out that you agree with what I said, but you still find yourself feeling emotional angry at the things I've said, so you jump to a new line on another topic just to continue the argument.
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COVxy posted...

It's more like we're having an argument and you find out that you agree with what I said, but you still find yourself feeling emotional angry at the things I've said, so you jump to a new line on another topic just to continue the argument.

I'm literally attacking a specific point you made and I said I disagree out the gate. Instead of attacking that point you attack the terminology. You have yet to attack the actual point. But yea.. let's somehow twist it to where I agree with you instead of addressing the actual issue I'm pointing out.
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The point you attacked was the point you agreed with.
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COVxy posted...

The point you attacked was the point you agreed with.

I'm confused now... Just forget it I guess.
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Of course a Genji player
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