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Veggeta X
04/06/18 9:50:52 AM
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He just threatened he'd give me a bad reference and I told him I'm not stupid enough to ever use him as a reference. I hope they fire me.
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lilORANG
04/06/18 9:53:35 AM
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What a dick
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
04/06/18 9:53:45 AM
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I forget if you're American or not
because in the US everything he's told you he'd do is illegal
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Sunhawk
04/06/18 9:53:45 AM
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Lulz. Tell us more about your job and boss.
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Caution999
04/06/18 9:55:29 AM
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This happened.
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 9:59:31 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
I forget if you're American or not
because in the US everything he's told you he'd do is illegal

I am American. How is it illegal? He's not violating any protected rights.
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DarkChozoGhost
04/06/18 10:00:18 AM
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Don't you do data entry or something?
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:00:29 AM
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If you were a boss how would you feel if one of your employees is doing this?
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Antifar
04/06/18 10:00:36 AM
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Tell him to eat your ass
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
04/06/18 10:00:38 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
I forget if you're American or not
because in the US everything he's told you he'd do is illegal

I am American. How is it illegal? He's not violating any protected rights.

can't give a purposefully bad reference that's illegal (IIRC i may be wrong on this one)
can't fire you just because you're looking for another job that's wrongful termination
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:01:04 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Don't you do data entry or something?

Naw I'm a SYS-Admin for our small company.
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:02:31 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
can't fire you just because you're looking for another job that's wrongful termination

I work in a At Will Employment company.
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voldothegr8
04/06/18 10:02:43 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
I forget if you're American or not
because in the US everything he's told you he'd do is illegal

I am American. How is it illegal? He's not violating any protected rights.

By law he can't shit on you to other companies when they call for a reference. He can be subtle and say something like "yeah he worked here" and leave it at that, but can't outright blast you.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
04/06/18 10:04:01 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
If you were a boss how would you feel if one of your employees is doing this?

I guess I'd consider how I feel about losing that employee
Weigh the idea of finding a replacement VS changing things to keep them
Would it be costlier to try and retain you VS just let you go and find someone new to train

But ultimately I would probably try to figure out why they were looking for a new position, and then go from there. If it's money, that's that I can't help it. If it's a workplace atmosphere thing, then we'll discuss how to change it and compromise
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voldothegr8
04/06/18 10:04:31 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
can't fire you just because you're looking for another job that's wrongful termination

Now this is false, companies damn well can and do fire employees actively searching for other work. There might be protections in some states though.
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bluezero
04/06/18 10:04:56 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
If you were a boss how would you feel if one of your employees is doing this?

Why the fuck are you telling your boss?
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:06:20 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
By law he can't shit on you to other companies when they call for a reference. He can be subtle and say something like "yeah he worked here" and leave it at that, but can't outright blast you.

It doesn't matter I'm not using him either way. I knew he'd be pissed if he found out but he's acting like areal kid here.
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:07:44 AM
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bluezero posted...
Veggeta X posted...
If you were a boss how would you feel if one of your employees is doing this?

Why the fuck are you telling your boss?

I didn't tell him. He found out by himself somehow. He did look at my LinkedIn profile a while ago though we are not friends on there and I don't think my information is public. Well, he should have saw this coming too since I asked for a raised and he said no.
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Vermander
04/06/18 10:08:50 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Veggeta X posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
I forget if you're American or not
because in the US everything he's told you he'd do is illegal

I am American. How is it illegal? He's not violating any protected rights.

can't give a purposefully bad reference that's illegal (IIRC i may be wrong on this one)
can't fire you just because you're looking for another job that's wrongful termination


Actually neither are illegal.

HR recommends you dont give bad references because you can sue for defamation of character, which is bad for business.

And the second depends if its an at will state.
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spudger
04/06/18 10:09:24 AM
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Your boss sux
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Drpooplol
04/06/18 10:09:29 AM
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Antifar posted...
Tell him to eat your ass

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krazychao5
04/06/18 10:10:48 AM
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If they fire you, their unemployment insurance rate goes up. They don't want that.
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C7D
04/06/18 10:11:07 AM
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Its true that he cant say anything bad about you if he just calls your company. On the other hand, I use my former bosses as references just to let my new potential employers know that I never leave an old job on bad terms.
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:12:51 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Veggeta X posted...
If you were a boss how would you feel if one of your employees is doing this?

I guess I'd consider how I feel about losing that employee
Weigh the idea of finding a replacement VS changing things to keep them
Would it be costlier to try and retain you VS just let you go and find someone new to train

But ultimately I would probably try to figure out why they were looking for a new position, and then go from there. If it's money, that's that I can't help it. If it's a workplace atmosphere thing, then we'll discuss how to change it and compromise

I highly doubt they can bring in anyone to replace me at my current pay rate nor can they train anyone that fast to do what I did with what and how the company likes. It's a combination of money and self growth and how bleak the company is heading.
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:13:44 AM
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C7D posted...
Its true that he cant say anything bad about you if he just calls your company. On the other hand, I use my former bosses as references just to let my new potential employers know that I never leave an old job on bad terms.

I won't use my direct boss. I'll use his boss and my HR manager instead.
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:14:09 AM
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Godnorgosh posted...
Veggeta X posted...
I didn't tell him. He found out by himself somehow.


If you were applying for jobs on the company's network, then that might be why he knows.

I wasn't.
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C7D
04/06/18 10:15:19 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
Veggeta X posted...
I didn't tell him. He found out by himself somehow.


If you were applying for jobs on the company's network, then that might be why he knows.

I wasn't.


Then you are probably about to get an offer letter as they have already verified your current employment.
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:16:34 AM
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krazychao5 posted...
If they fire you, their unemployment insurance rate goes up. They don't want that.

Oh well.
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 10:25:30 AM
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LMAO I know he's hella pissed but he won't fire me. Wonder what he's thinking about right now. Prolly my replacement?
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rexcrk
04/06/18 12:21:25 PM
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JustMyOpinion posted...
Caution999 posted...
This happened.


It didn't. A couple months ago he said he broke down in tears getting an offer for a job with a 30% increase (and he was jobless at the time). Then he doesn't have a job and is still looking. Now he does have a job and here we are.

Can we talk more about this?
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 12:22:32 PM
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@JustMyOpinion
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DevsBro
04/06/18 12:23:32 PM
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Kajagogo
04/06/18 12:23:48 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
He just threatened he'd give me a bad reference and I told him I'm not stupid enough to ever use him as a reference. I hope they fire me.


He can't actually do that. Report him to his boss and the BBB.
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Kitt
04/06/18 12:24:14 PM
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JustMyOpinion posted...
Caution999 posted...
This happened.


It didn't. A couple months ago he said he broke down in tears getting an offer for a job with a 30% increase (and he was jobless at the time). Then he doesn't have a job and is still looking. Now he does have a job and here we are.

I actually do recall something like this...
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 12:25:30 PM
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DevsBro posted...
You told him?

Naw I didn't. Please read further into the topic.
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Muffinz0rz
04/06/18 12:25:32 PM
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IIRC a vast majority* of the 50 states have "at will" employment, meaning you are "voluntarily" an employee and you can quit for no reason whenever you want, but on the flipside, you can also be fired for no reason.

*citation needed
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 12:25:57 PM
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Kitt posted...
I actually do recall something like this...

Are you sure you aren't mistaking me for someone else?
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 5:48:20 PM
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Anyway, my boss was super pissed off the entire day.

He said he found out through Linkedin because I guess it said I started being active on it. So he told me he wasn't mad or upset or hold any grudges about what I'm doing. I reassured him people being active always looking for a job is completely normal. He asked me why I started looking for a job and I simply told him me and this company is at a crosspath. I have and want personal growth in ways I want and like, and not for the company anymore. I also told him I feel like the company has hit a wall both in growth and for myself as well.

He told me I put him in a bad spot because now he's gotta start looking at resumes. I told him to do what he's gotta do. But I hope they fire me so I can collect unemployment.
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voldothegr8
04/06/18 5:55:42 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
He told me I put him in a bad spot because now he's gotta start looking at resumes. I told him to do what he's gotta do. But I hope they fire me so I can collect unemployment.

Doesn't sound like it, they're actively looking to replace you so they'll ride it out since you still fill a need. Better find a job soon though. On the bright side you can go into give no fucks mode.
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Volkswagen_Bros
04/06/18 6:01:24 PM
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Antifar posted...
Tell him to eat your ass

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HotMaladorianAI
04/06/18 6:14:42 PM
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Your boss literally takes time to monitor your Linked In account? Not sure I buy that.
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BlazinBlue88
04/06/18 6:19:30 PM
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Being active on LinkedIn doesn't mean you're looking for a job. I've seen a lot of people hang out there like it's Facebook.
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 6:21:35 PM
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HotMaladorianAI posted...
Your boss literally takes time to monitor your Linked In account? Not sure I buy that.

I mean wouldn't you if you were a boss?

BlazinBlue88 posted...
Being active on LinkedIn doesn't mean you're looking for a job. I've seen a lot of people hang out there like it's Facebook.

Well, I became all of a sudden active again is what he says. he caught me not gonna lie. And who knows he probably got a recruiter to sneak up on me.
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clearaflagrantj
04/06/18 6:28:22 PM
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Confront him and if you're in a one party consent state record his ass.

Lawyers of CE, would the boss have a reasonable expectation of privacy given that context?
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Akagami_Shanks
04/06/18 6:31:27 PM
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Sounds like a "this happened"
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HotMaladorianAI
04/06/18 6:33:46 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
HotMaladorianAI posted...
Your boss literally takes time to monitor your Linked In account? Not sure I buy that.

I mean wouldn't you if you were a boss?

BlazinBlue88 posted...
Being active on LinkedIn doesn't mean you're looking for a job. I've seen a lot of people hang out there like it's Facebook.

Well, I became all of a sudden active again is what he says. he caught me not gonna lie. And who knows he probably got a recruiter to sneak up on me.


No. Whats your job and whats your work environment like anyway?
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Veggeta X
04/06/18 6:38:34 PM
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My job environment is very cool I mean I get to be on CE all day. I posted what I did already. I just feel like me and my company are going different paths that just isn't suited for me anymore.
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