Current Events > Oh God... Trump's in West Virginia

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And they're talking about how great his policies are and how much the people of West Virginia love him.

I feel so bad for the simpletons living out there.
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Well that isn't very nice
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DesuDeku posted...

Well that isn't very nice

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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

And they're talking about how great his policies are and how much the people of West Virginia love him.

I feel so bad for the simpletons living out there.

DesuDeku posted...

Well that isn't very nice

It's true though. There's something bad about that state.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

DesuDeku posted...

Well that isn't very nice

They're thanking him for bringing back coal which isn't sustainable and getting rid of the investments that were made into infrastructure and education for renewable energy. Which you know was an industry that paid more, created more jobs and has a future.

They're also thanking him for proposing executions for drug dealers because they have an opioid epidemic.
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More stereotyping from the party that hates stereotyping? Color me shocked.
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West Virigina is an odd place.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

DesuDeku posted...

Well that isn't very nice

They're thanking him for bringing back coal which isn't sustainable and getting rid of the investments that were made into infrastructure and education for renewable energy. Which you know was an industry that paid more, created more jobs and has a future.

They're also thanking him for proposing executions for drug dealers because they have an opioid epidemic.

Yeah but the common man can't just hop into the new industry, unskilled. So since they don't see the immediate benefit they want to go back to what worked in a system that is no longer the current system.

The world is about to be in for a very rude, potentially very violent wakeup
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

More stereotyping from the party that hates stereotyping? Color me shocked.

I don't really identify with either party but I've voted almost entirely republican throughout my life.

Sorry that youve got such an us vs them mentality that you'll support stupid just to win.

wackyteen posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

DesuDeku posted...

Well that isn't very nice

They're thanking him for bringing back coal which isn't sustainable and getting rid of the investments that were made into infrastructure and education for renewable energy. Which you know was an industry that paid more, created more jobs and has a future.

They're also thanking him for proposing executions for drug dealers because they have an opioid epidemic.

Yeah but the common man can't just hop into the new industry, unskilled. So since they don't see the immediate benefit they want to go back to what worked in a system that is no longer the current system.

The world is about to be in for a very rude, potentially very violent wakeup

They were paying people to learn and setting up the state for the future and then it got thrown away for a failed industry that will just result in a bigger crash sometime soon. It's sad.
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I know they were and it's unbelievably cruel to throw that away but hopefully the upside is the swindlers get thrown out of office
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wackyteen posted...

I know they were and it's unbelievably cruel to throw that away but hopefully the upside is the swindlers get thrown out of office

I feel bad for the young more than anything.

They had a new future coming in and it was stomped our by some old people that didn't want to learn and wanted the government to prop up failed business do they could continue to trade their children's future for a pay check.
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I'm from West Virginia. There are good parts and some very bad parts. For the most part, the economy here is based on coal. Is it really irrational for a state to support someone who advocates for a product the poor people here depend upon producing?
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There are regions where the choices are moving away or coal. Calling people in an economically devastated region simpletons is a great way to let people know youre an uneducated clown.
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Silver Bearings posted...

I'm from West Virginia. There are good parts and some very bad parts. For the most part, the economy here is based on coal. Is it really irrational for a state to support someone who advocates for a product the poor people here depend upon producing?

It's short sighted and mortgaging the future.

The thing is coal isn't ever going to come back the way it was. Propping it up for a few years isn't going to bring it back. For every coal job renewable energy creates two. The infrastructure was being put in place for renewable energy. Former coal workers were being paid to learn these jobs. A future was being put into place. Instead it'll just pass the buck to the young.
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WolfFangHowell posted...

There are regions where the choices are moving away or coal. Calling people in an economically devastated region simpletons is a great way to let people know youre an uneducated clown.

Calling for a few years of propped up failed business is a great way to let people know you're an uneducated clown.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Silver Bearings posted...

I'm from West Virginia. There are good parts and some very bad parts. For the most part, the economy here is based on coal. Is it really irrational for a state to support someone who advocates for a product the poor people here depend upon producing?

It's short sighted and mortgaging the future.

The thing is coal isn't ever going to come back the way it was. Propping it up for a few years isn't going to bring it back. For every coal job renewable energy creates two. The infrastructure was being put in place for renewable energy. Former coal workers were being paid to learn these jobs. A future was being put into place. Instead it'll just pass the buck to the young.

You're talking about the coal industry of old. Clean coal is still far superior to solar, wind or hydro.
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take me home
country road
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

It's short sighted and mortgaging the future.

The thing is coal isn't ever going to come back the way it was. Propping it up for a few years isn't going to bring it back. For every coal job renewable energy creates two.

What's more: when efforts to revive coal aren't predicated on sacrificing the environment, they are based on screwing over the would-be workers. In neighboring Kentucky, lawmakers have limited the ability of workers to receive compensation for black lung by limiting the review of their cases to doctors who are mostly paid by the coal industry: https://wamu.org/story/18/03/31/kentucky-lawmakers-limit-black-lung-claims-reviews-despite-epidemic/

Bringing back coal means killing more miners. If you don't believe me, one of the GOP candidates for Senate in WV is a mining exec responsible for the deaths of 29.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

They're also thanking him for proposing executions for drug dealers because they have an opioid epidemic.

Pharmacists are getting executed now? Sweet
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Antifar posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

It's short sighted and mortgaging the future.

The thing is coal isn't ever going to come back the way it was. Propping it up for a few years isn't going to bring it back. For every coal job renewable energy creates two.

What's more: when efforts to revive coal aren't predicated on sacrificing the environment, they are based on screwing over the would-be workers. In neighboring Kentucky, lawmakers have limited the ability of workers to receive compensation for black lung by limiting the review of their cases to doctors who are mostly paid by the coal industry: https://wamu.org/story/18/03/31/kentucky-lawmakers-limit-black-lung-claims-reviews-despite-epidemic/

Bringing back coal means killing more miners. If you don't believe me, one of the GOP candidates for Senate in WV is a mining exec responsible for the deaths of 29.

Hooray capitalism

DifferentialEquation posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Silver Bearings posted...

I'm from West Virginia. There are good parts and some very bad parts. For the most part, the economy here is based on coal. Is it really irrational for a state to support someone who advocates for a product the poor people here depend upon producing?

It's short sighted and mortgaging the future.

The thing is coal isn't ever going to come back the way it was. Propping it up for a few years isn't going to bring it back. For every coal job renewable energy creates two. The infrastructure was being put in place for renewable energy. Former coal workers were being paid to learn these jobs. A future was being put into place. Instead it'll just pass the buck to the young.

You're talking about the coal industry of old. Clean coal is still far superior to solar, wind or hydro.

I make my living developing technologies that can use the significant energy reserves in coal in much cleaner and efficient means. Technologies that double the efficiency of coal-based electricity generation. Doing so will keep the consumer from prohibitively high electricity costs associated with state-of-the-art renewable technologies until R&D can bring those costs down to be competitive.

The U.S. Energy Information Agency projects that near 50% of our electricity will be generated by fossil fuels in 2050. If those fossil fuels can produce half the amount of CO2 as current coal power plants, then there is certainly a market for coal production for more than a few "prop up" years.

Clearly, I'm not a simpleton. I have a Ph.D. in chemical engineering and have dedicated my career to solving energy related issues for the country.
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Antifar posted...

GOP candidates for Senate in WV is a mining exec responsible for the deaths of 29

Yes, and this is beyond stupid.

Unrelated, but mining technologies are also improving to avoid such disasters in the future.
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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Antifar posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Hooray capitalism

When the government is propping it up and subsidizing a failed industry is it really capitalism?
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Silver Bearings posted...

Antifar posted...

GOP candidates for Senate in WV is a mining exec responsible for the deaths of 29

Yes, and this is beyond stupid.

Unrelated, but mining technologies are also improving to avoid such disasters in the future.

The law under Trump, however, is moving in the opposite direction
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coal-mine-deaths-surge-putting-feds-and-miners-at-odds/
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/coal-country-republicans-state-mine-inspections_us_58c85cade4b022994fa2eeca
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/politics/mine-safety-nominee-defended-coal-companies/index.html
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Sure. I don't claim to be a blind Trump supporter. I'm not sure he is necessarily the best for efficiently producing and using coal. But technologies are being improved. And it's not unreasonable for the poor people here to support Trump.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

WolfFangHowell posted...

There are regions where the choices are moving away or coal. Calling people in an economically devastated region simpletons is a great way to let people know youre an uneducated clown.

Calling for a few years of propped up failed business is a great way to let people know you're an uneducated clown.

You dont get it at all. Coal is a disgusting factor in this state, but youre telling hundreds if not thousands to go hungry, drop the benefits, and get paid nothing comparatively. Youre the simpleton if youd let your kids starve for a cause like this.

Its not stupidity. Its desperation. You think theres a 1to1 ratio jobwise? Or do you think those thousands can go without food or shelter in the months it takes to switch over?

Desperate =/= Simpleton

Not being able to factor in common sense variables = Simpleton

Coal is disgusting, but keep trying to paint me as this procoal dude. My grandpa spent 50 years in a mine and is now near death thanks to his loyalty. I know how filthy every aspect of the industy is, and how it needs to die, but insulting the region for being absolutely devastated by fat coal barons is simply ignorant.
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