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FrisbeeDude
04/04/18 3:01:26 PM
#51:


s0nicfan posted...
Both are fine and trying to turn this isn't anything other than a nonissue is pathetic.


No no no. It doesn't get to be same thing both sides when one basically had her career ended and the other is being defended
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AlphaCuck
04/04/18 3:01:28 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
What is it even supposed to be satirizing?

author Oliver Noble wrote that Roseanne asked to dress up as Hitler for the spread, as she believes (or at least jokingly said that she believes) that she may be the reincarnation of the Fhrer himself:


I encourage all liberals to take literature classes to learn abstract concepts such as simile, metaphor, and satirization.
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The Admiral
04/04/18 3:01:46 PM
#54:


FrisbeeDude is melting down hard in this topic. And all it took was posting the facts.
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Caution999
04/04/18 3:02:15 PM
#55:


FrisbeeDude posted...
Where was all this nuance when Kathy Griffith was being savaged? Oh, that's right, conservatives were fucking melting down. Pose as Hitler? It's all good

#VeryFinePeople


Roseanne is

1) A Comedian
2) Jewish

This is like getting mad at a black guy for the saying the "N" word

Her being Jewish sorta gives her immunity when it comes to crap like this. Especially when it was all a form of satire from a Jewish magazine.
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s0nicfan
04/04/18 3:02:21 PM
#56:


FrisbeeDude posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Both are fine and trying to turn this isn't anything other than a nonissue is pathetic.


No no no. It doesn't get to be same thing both sides when one basically had her career ended and the other is being defended


Do you really want to start tallying the number of people on each side whose careers were ended due to a social media smear campaign? Because that's not a fight you'll win.
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FrisbeeDude
04/04/18 3:02:21 PM
#57:


AlphaCuck posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
What is it even supposed to be satirizing?

author Oliver Noble wrote that Roseanne asked to dress up as Hitler for the spread, as she believes (or at least jokingly said that she believes) that she may be the reincarnation of the Fhrer himself:


I encourage all liberals to take literature classes to learn abstract concepts such as simile, metaphor, and satirization.


Roseanne barr: master of the arts

Lmao get the fuck outta here
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AlphaCuck
04/04/18 3:02:36 PM
#58:


FrisbeeDude posted...
AlphaCuck posted...
Controversy according to liberals:

Liberal performing a mock decapitation of someone - OK

Conservative in a satirical photoshoot - Terrible!


Why is mocking murder not cool, but mocking genocide ok?

The difference, friend-o, is that only one of those things actually occurred.
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FrisbeeDude
04/04/18 3:05:50 PM
#59:


AlphaCuck posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
AlphaCuck posted...
Controversy according to liberals:

Liberal performing a mock decapitation of someone - OK

Conservative in a satirical photoshoot - Terrible!


Why is mocking murder not cool, but mocking genocide ok?

The difference, friend-o, is that only one of those things actually occurred.



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SomeonesAlt
04/04/18 3:06:55 PM
#60:


FrisbeeDude posted...
AlphaCuck posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
AlphaCuck posted...
Controversy according to liberals:

Liberal performing a mock decapitation of someone - OK

Conservative in a satirical photoshoot - Terrible!


Why is mocking murder not cool, but mocking genocide ok?

The difference, friend-o, is that only one of those things actually occurred.



Is Hoth a Holocaust denier now?
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The Admiral
04/04/18 3:07:44 PM
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Imagine really not understanding the difference between mocking yourself and mocking the brutal death of someone you hate. This is something even a child would understand.
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The Admiral
04/04/18 3:08:46 PM
#63:


shockthemonkey posted...
AlphaCuck posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
What is it even supposed to be satirizing?

author Oliver Noble wrote that Roseanne asked to dress up as Hitler for the spread, as she believes (or at least jokingly said that she believes) that she may be the reincarnation of the Fhrer himself:


I encourage all liberals to take literature classes to learn abstract concepts such as simile, metaphor, and satirization.

Yeah that doesnt actually explain what shes satirizing.


Been explained to you twice in this topic already.
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SomeonesAlt
04/04/18 3:10:17 PM
#66:


The Admiral posted...
Imagine really not understanding the difference between mocking yourself and mocking the brutal death of someone you hate. This is something even a child would understand.

They're both just dark comedy. Same with Nugent talking about shooting Obama,and I'm sure there have been liberal comedians saying similar about Bush. Honestly, who the fuck cares?
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AlphaCuck
04/04/18 3:13:57 PM
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I can see the lib brigade is digging their heels in on this. I mean I guess if reality denied my bias the way it's happening for them I'd do the same, provided I was hopelessly immature.
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Prestoff
04/04/18 3:15:51 PM
#68:


The Admiral posted...
Context before the usual victims get on more of a roll than they are.

These photographs are real. However, they are frequently shared without important accompanying context. The series of images were originally part of a 2009 article in a Germany issue of Heeb magazine, a satirical Jewish publication that ran between 2001 and 2010. (An infrequently updated version of the magazine still exists online.) In the article which originally accompanied these photographs, entitled That Oven Feelin, author Oliver Noble wrote that Roseanne asked to dress up as Hitler for the spread, as she believes (or at least jokingly said that she believes) that she may be the reincarnation of the Fhrer himself:


Thanks for the context
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SomeonesAlt
04/04/18 3:15:51 PM
#69:


AlphaCuck posted...
provided I was hopelessly immature.

Even if I didn't know you were Hoth, your username gives all the arguments in the world for this case.
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Anteaterking
04/04/18 3:16:11 PM
#70:


"Roseanne Nazi" and "Roseanne Hitler" have basically minimal google searches until very recently and a small spike when the pictures originally came out.

I'm not calling her anti-semitic or anything, I just don't understand how this photoshoot makes any more sense with her than any other Jewish person. Certainly that's not as deep as the "satire" is, right?
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A_Good_Boy
04/04/18 3:16:30 PM
#71:


AlphaCuck posted...
provided I was hopelessly immature.

Gamefaqs.gamespot user AlphaCuck laying dem truth bombs.
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pauIie
04/04/18 3:18:45 PM
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roseanne has given non fans plenty of ammo without this. don't need satire done by a jewish person for a jewish magazine for jewish people to be mad at her.
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AlphaCuck
04/04/18 3:18:46 PM
#73:


SomeonesAlt posted...
AlphaCuck posted...
provided I was hopelessly immature.

Even if I didn't know you were Hoth, your username gives all the arguments in the world for this case.

You've just convinced me to add irony to the list of things that tend to go over liberals' heads.
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FrisbeeDude
04/04/18 3:19:07 PM
#74:


The Admiral posted...
Imagine really not understanding the difference between mocking yourself and mocking the brutal death of someone you hate. This is something even a child would understand.


The only aspect of herself she's "mocking" is her Jewish ethnicity. And it's in the most offensive way possible. PLENTY of Jewish people were offended. The fact that the alt right is trying to file it under humor and satire just goes to show how hollow their outrage over Griffith was. If it's ok to satirize the genocide of Jewish people, it's ok to satirize the murder of Trump
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SomeonesAlt
04/04/18 3:19:56 PM
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AlphaCuck posted...
SomeonesAlt posted...
AlphaCuck posted...
provided I was hopelessly immature.

Even if I didn't know you were Hoth, your username gives all the arguments in the world for this case.

You've just convinced me to add irony to the list of things that tend to go over liberals' heads.

You've just convinced me to add irony to the giant list of things you don't know the meaning of, Hoth
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TheVipaGTS
04/04/18 3:20:02 PM
#77:


I like how Roseanne is now CE conservatrolls new champion.
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FrisbeeDude
04/04/18 3:22:34 PM
#78:


If a famous muslim posed with dead American cookies and dressed up like a Osama bin laden, would that be ok satire because they themselves were Muslim?

Like...y'all tell on yourselves so hard with stuff like this. Its one thing to not give a fuck, but to bend over backwards defending it? Lol
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AlphaCuck
04/04/18 3:22:40 PM
#79:


Anteaterking posted...
I'm not calling her anti-semitic or anything, I just don't understand how this photoshoot makes any more sense with her than any other Jewish person. Certainly that's not as deep as the "satire" is, right?

You might be a little young. Her original sitcom was noteworthy for portraying a brash matron figure who lorded over her working-class family, not unlike a way someone would jokingly refer to someone as "Hitler". Context is key here.
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The Admiral
04/04/18 3:24:03 PM
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Roseanne was also one of the first (maybe even the first) to be called a Feminazi, I believe by Rush Limbaugh.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/04/18 3:27:12 PM
#81:


The Admiral posted...
Imagine really not understanding the difference between mocking yourself and mocking the brutal death of someone you hate. This is something even a child would understand.


hahahahahhahahahahahahaha lmfao
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A_Good_Boy
04/04/18 3:28:31 PM
#82:


The Admiral posted...
Roseanne was also one of the first (maybe even the first) to be called a Feminazi, I believe by Rush Limbaugh.

I'm not seeing the significance of that defense, coming from people currently supporting Roseanne. Don't those people still constantly call other people feminazis and bash feminism?
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The Admiral
04/04/18 3:30:58 PM
#83:


A_Good_Boy posted...
The Admiral posted...
Roseanne was also one of the first (maybe even the first) to be called a Feminazi, I believe by Rush Limbaugh.

I'm not seeing the significance of that defense, coming from people currently supporting Roseanne. Don't those people still constantly call other people feminazis and bash feminism?


Who is supporting Roseanne here? Shes been an obnoxious liberal for decades. Only thing anyone is doing is educating the folks who think shes celebrating Hitler or some other dumb shit.
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SomeonesAlt
04/04/18 3:30:58 PM
#84:


AlphaCuck posted...
You might be a little young

Hoth, you're 18, you can't call people young
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Anteaterking
04/04/18 3:38:22 PM
#86:


The Admiral posted...
Roseanne was also one of the first (maybe even the first) to be called a Feminazi, I believe by Rush Limbaugh.


I might not be searching very well, but I can't find any mention of Roseanne among Rush's list of feminazis that he was maintaining. I also can't find any reference to Roseanne Barr and feminazis outside of a quote where she used the word when she was running for the Green Party in 2012.

Again, I'm not making any claims that she's pro-Hitler or anti-semitic or anything like that. I just think the "obvious satire" seems to be pretty loose, and the photoshoot is bizarre even if not offensive.
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AlphaCuck
04/04/18 3:42:07 PM
#87:


FrisbeeDude posted...
The Admiral posted...
Imagine really not understanding the difference between mocking yourself and mocking the brutal death of someone you hate. This is something even a child would understand.


The only aspect of herself she's "mocking" is her Jewish ethnicity. And it's in the most offensive way possible. PLENTY of Jewish people were offended. The fact that the alt right is trying to file it under humor and satire just goes to show how hollow their outrage over Griffith was. If it's ok to satirize the genocide of Jewish people, it's ok to satirize the murder of Trump

But, again, Jewish people (whether killed in the Holocaust or otherwise) were NOT the satirized object in the photoshoot. That was Roseanne herself.

The Griffith debacle wasn't satire because that involves a heavily exaggerated portrayal (a la Roseanne as Hitler). So what was Griffith satirizing by holding up a decapitated head of a controversial political figure? What was she trying to say? Nothing, unless the idea was to satirize liberals as a group of people prone to violence.

I can't believe I have to argue semiotics with people who would claim to know better. For God's sake, put your phone down and read a book every now and again.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
04/04/18 3:46:13 PM
#88:


Who's Griffith?
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SomeonesAlt
04/04/18 3:46:25 PM
#89:


No one takes you seriously Hothlin, let alone with the name "AlphaCuck"
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RickyTheBAWSE
04/04/18 3:50:48 PM
#90:


suspicious how the same folks advocating for acknowledgment of nuance and context for this shit are the same folk who are deliberately obtuse anytime they think it's their time to play victim.
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EnragedSlith
04/04/18 3:54:04 PM
#91:


The Admiral posted...
Context before the usual victims get on more of a roll than they are.

These photographs are real. However, they are frequently shared without important accompanying context. The series of images were originally part of a 2009 article in a Germany issue of Heeb magazine, a satirical Jewish publication that ran between 2001 and 2010. (An infrequently updated version of the magazine still exists online.) In the article which originally accompanied these photographs, entitled That Oven Feelin, author Oliver Noble wrote that Roseanne asked to dress up as Hitler for the spread, as she believes (or at least jokingly said that she believes) that she may be the reincarnation of the Fhrer himself:

Its okay to do something fucked up because the magazine speaks for everyone and said it was okay

Yeah, that was really fucked up. Like, more fucked up than the Griffith thing, which was also pretty fucked up. Im not normally rustled by stuff like this, but I cant even see what humor was supposed to be derived from that. Its not funny in any single context. It barely constitutes as a joke. Its just shock value without the humor.

Fuck her, can and blacklist that bitch.
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Big_Nabendu
04/04/18 3:56:30 PM
#92:


John Goodman doesn't deserve this
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eston
04/04/18 3:58:30 PM
#93:


FrisbeeDude posted...
No no no. It doesn't get to be same thing both sides when one basically had her career ended and the other is being defended

Kathy Griffin's career is doing fine. In fact she recently sold out a show at Carnegie Hall in a single day
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FrisbeeDude
04/04/18 4:01:55 PM
#94:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
suspicious how the same folks advocating for acknowledgment of nuance and context for this shit are the same folk who are deliberately obtuse anytime they think it's their time to play victim.


This
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bidas100
04/04/18 4:02:17 PM
#95:


Caution999 posted...
This is like getting mad at a black guy for the saying the "N" word

What's wrong with that? I'm talking about getting mad. Saying the n-word is obviously wrong.
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The Great Muta 22
04/04/18 4:04:49 PM
#96:


The Admiral posted...
Roseanne was also one of the first (maybe even the first) to be called a Feminazi, I believe by Rush Limbaugh.


Do you have a source for this claim? Because I also can't find anything about it. Surely you didn't just make it up because you felt it was a good point that people wouldn't question, right?
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BLAKUboy
04/04/18 4:07:51 PM
#97:


Big_Nabendu posted...
John Goodman doesn't deserve this

I mean, he's probably got some less than desirable views himself, but he at least seems to be smart enough not to broadcast them to the world.
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NinjaBreakfast
04/04/18 4:10:14 PM
#98:


FrisbeeDude posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
suspicious how the same folks advocating for acknowledgment of nuance and context for this shit are the same folk who are deliberately obtuse anytime they think it's their time to play victim.


This

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CapnMuffin
04/04/18 4:15:20 PM
#99:


The original article itself explains this succinctly.

She nails the Fuehrers facial expressions with twisted glee, and as she takes the burnt gingerbread Jew Cookies out of the oven it occurs to me that Barr may be the last celebrity utterly incapable of giving a fucka quality theoretically easy to embody until its time to face the practical repercussions.
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