Current Events > Finally got around to watching TLJ. What a fucking waste of a character Spoilers

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Luke Skywalker did fucking nothing the entire movie. When he showed up in the battle I was like OH SHIT THIS IS IT. WE'RE GONNA SEE ULTRA JEDI MASTER SKYWALKER FUCKING ANNIHILATE THIS ENTIRE ARMY WITH HIS BARE HANDS. THIS WILL BE THE MOST EPIC THING THAT EVER HAPPENS IN A STAR WARS MOVIE
Oh he's just a hologram. That's cool I guess, at least he's- oh now he's dead too.

Like lol wtf was the point of him even being in the movie. You hype him up for two years just to have him mope around and die? (They did the same thing with Snoke too but I digress EDIT: also Captain Phasma)

I feel like the entire movie as a whole just felt really irrelevant since nothing really changed in the plot... Also Rey still doesn't have a personality which is a shame because I really really want to like her :(
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Star Wars is the Dragon Ball of sci fi movies

Shit but still extremely popular
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I agree. Just like Yoda's fight, a Luke fight could have saved that movie if it were awesome.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Star Wars is the Dragon Ball of sci fi movies

Shit but still extremely popular

This and

Bad_Mojo posted...

I agree. Just like Yoda's fight, a Luke fight could have saved that movie if it were awesome.

This
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Dragon Ball is great and the OT are great movies

so that's a terrible comparison

Edit: Actually it is a good comparison because neckbeards hate Dragon Ball and the OT
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I'm with you on everything except for Rey having no personality

Like

That's totally not true at all
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Dragon Ball is great and the OT are great movies

so that's a terrible comparison

What?

Dragonball (which means the first series) is great and so is the Original Trilogy? And then the newest stuff is trash? So it sounds like a good comparison to me
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At least Dragon Ball lets their characters do cool/memorable/badass things.
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gunplagirl posted...

I'm with you on everything except for Rey having no personality

Like

That's totally not true at all

I mean I'm open to hear your take on it since like I said I really want to like Rey. What personality does she possess other than "she's the good guy"?
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I just wish they hadn't killed him off. I could have been fine with everything knowing that we could get more in the next movie.. then nope they just killed him off. Just let him end sitting on the rock, don't take away future Luke.
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idk, having luke be some crazy dbz-level jedi is lazy and misses the point of the saga
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The new ones are complete and utter dog shit. It is just a bunch of "lol how u do dis?" and then she goes "lol i jus do! ha!". Repeat that for 2 hours and that is the new Star Wars.
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prince_leo posted...

idk, having luke be some crazy dbz-level jedi is lazy and misses the point of the saga

Idk, I guess? But most of Star Wars IS lazy writing. And that's totally fine too, because at their core they're light hearted romp fantasy movies. They're not meant to be Shakespeare.
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Kelystic posted...

WOMAN RISE UP!!!
DA FORCE IS FEMALE YALL
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Bad_Mojo posted...

I agree. Just like Yoda's fight, a Luke fight could have saved that movie if it were awesome.

Yoda's fight not only did not save aotc but arguably made it worse
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Movie was garbage
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Dragon Ball is great and the OT are great movies

so that's a terrible comparison

Edit: Actually it is a good comparison because neckbeards hate Dragon Ball and the OT

Dragon Ball is great. Dragon Ball Z is good. Super is complete shit.

See the connection now?
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Damn she has a long neck.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Star Wars is the Dragon Ball of sci fi movies

Shit but still extremely popular

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Bad_Mojo posted...

I agree. Just like Yoda's fight, a Luke fight could have saved that movie if it were awesome.

Yoda's fight not only did not save aotc but arguably made it worse

I wouldn't say it saved it since EpII was the worst fucking movie in the series, but that fight was at least fun and different.
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I like the new trilogies better.

bulletproofvita posted...

Kelystic posted...

WOMAN RISE UP!!!
DA FORCE IS FEMALE YALL

Just out of curiosity, were there any female villains besides Captain Phasma (who barely even counts)?
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Luke told you straight up that wasn't going to happen. "You expect me to beat the entire first order with a laser sword"?
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mew4ever posted...

Luke told you straight up that wasn't going to happen. "You expect me to beat the entire first order with a laser sword"?

That could be interpreted as "I don't want to, leave me alone." which was the entirety of his character for 95% of the movie.
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ForestLogic posted...

mew4ever posted...

Luke told you straight up that wasn't going to happen. "You expect me to beat the entire first order with a laser sword"?

That could be interpreted as "I don't want to, leave me alone." which was the entirety of his character for 95% of the movie.

Which I found strange because in the original trilogy Luke was an honorable guy. This isn't the Luke that people know and they didn't show us his slow turn to this cranky old hermit. Him preparing to murder Ben Solo in his sleep on a hunch before he even did anything after saving Darth Vader was very, very weird.

And if he didn't want to be found then why did he leave a map on R2D2?
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It was essentially Millennials and Baby Boomers argue in space.
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ForestLogic posted...

Just out of curiosity, were there any female villains besides Captain Phasma (who barely even counts)?

There's several female sith and tons more antagonists in the old republic continuity.
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Your daily topic of Star Wars bashing. And this is why I made that one topic about Star War fans being the worst fans in the world right now current.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Star Wars is the Dragon Ball of sci fi movies

Shit but still extremely popular

Audiences and internet frequenters tend to have looooooooow standards. Sad, I know.

Luke opened himself to the Force and gave everything he had left to create a new legend. A story that would cement the Jedi and his final act in the minds of The Resistance to spread to other parts of the galaxy who had declined to help themspark a flame of hope. It also enabled their escape. He single handedly saved The Resistance. His legacy also lives on in Rey and Ben.
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Taharqa_ posted...

ForestLogic posted...

mew4ever posted...

Luke told you straight up that wasn't going to happen. "You expect me to beat the entire first order with a laser sword"?

That could be interpreted as "I don't want to, leave me alone." which was the entirety of his character for 95% of the movie.

Which I found strange because in the original trilogy Luke was an honorable guy. This isn't the Luke that people know and they didn't show us his slow turn to this cranky old hermit. Him preparing to murder Ben Solo in his sleep on a hunch before he even did anything after saving Darth Vader was very, very weird.

And if he didn't want to be found then why did he leave a map on R2D2?

Do you want to know why Luke almost pulled that move? It was because the Skywalker bloodline has always been tempted by the dark side of the force... Anakin succumbed to it in the prequel triology, in the EU/Legends canon, Luke went darkside for a moment to understand it more, and he obviously succumbed to it in the Disney canon when he momentarily was persuaded by the darkside (possibly by Snoke) to kill Kylo. Kylo himself being Skywalker blood and going dark side... dude thats just their bloodline. They are mostly light side honorable's who succumb to the dark side. Vader redeemed himself. Luke redeemed himself. Kylo will to.
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RIP the skywalker bloodline
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

RIP the skywalker bloodline

Knowing it ends at Kylo feels bad man
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ForestLogic posted...

Just out of curiosity, were there any female villains besides Captain Phasma (who barely even counts)?

In what Disney is counting as canon the only other one I can think of is the female bounty hunter at the very start of Episode 2 that Obi-Wan and Anakin chase through the city and capture in the night club. I guess there were also females in Jabba's court, but they were just servants and entertainers, not really villains in the same vein as Boba Fett or Bib Fortuna.

I suppose there could be female villains in some of the newer novels and such that Disney is counting (though I've never heard of any). Otherwise all the female villains are part of the old EU.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Dragon Ball is great and the OT are great movies

so that's a terrible comparison

Edit: Actually it is a good comparison because neckbeards hate Dragon Ball and the OT

we're at a point where people are called neckbeards for not liking scifi and anime
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Veggeta X posted...

Your daily topic of Star Wars bashing. And this is why I made that one topic about Star War fans being the worst fans in the world right now current.

I'm not really a Star Wars fan though.
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CapnMuffin posted...

Luke opened himself to the Force and gave everything he had left to create a new legend. A story that would cement the Jedi and his final act in the minds of The Resistance to spread to other parts of the galaxy who had declined to help themspark a flame of hope. It also enabled their escape. He single handedly saved The Resistance. His legacy also lives on in Rey and Ben.

See, this was thematically very obvious, but gets overlooked.

It's because star wars fans will be inherently impossible to please. Half of them want some deep, symbolic meaning. The other half just want demi-god style fighting to save the day. No subtext, just "epic, badass fights."

Except they detract from one another. If they appeal to both sides, you get a confused title that doesn't know what it wants to be. And if you go one or the other, the neglected side gets rabid.

This isn't incorporating the giant fucking mess that comes with injecting what star wars initially was--a black and white movie in the era of the Cold War, to what it has become, with fans injecting a life into the entire universe so fleshed out, it's impossible to do justice in a feature film.

I think I'm the only one who watched TLJ and didn't pop an aneurysm because it didn't conform to my expectations. It's not my favorite film, but I didn't emotionally invest so much that even the tiniest details would send me off going "reeeeeeee"
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Best Star Wars movie yet
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Idk how it happened, but people somehow politicized Star Wars because a character had purple hair and became desperately critical of a series that has always been shallow. But of course they maintain laser focus on the new movies.

This whole thing has seemed pretty silly to me. There's certainly valid criticism of the movie, off humor and length, primarily, but the rest seems to be poking holes in shit people would have completely accepted if a character didn't have purple hair, and if Luke didn't undergo character development.
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I thought it was an epic display of power to Force project himself halfway across the galaxy, but it was a total slap in the face for him to just fall over and die immediately after surprising the audience that he survived.

Oh shit he's dead!
OH SHIT HE'S ALIVE! SICK MOVES BRO!
Oh...okay he's dead.

COVxy posted...

Idk how it happened, but people somehow politicized Star Wars because a character had purple hair and became desperately critical of a series that has always been shallow. But of course they maintain laser focus on the new movies.

This whole thing has seemed pretty silly to me. There's certainly valid criticism of the movie, off humor and length, primarily, but the rest seems to be poking holes in shit people would have completely accepted if a character didn't have purple hair, and if Luke didn't undergo character development.

I mean I didn't bring up Commander Holden or whatever her name was, I thought she was pretty cool. But idk what character development Luke underwent by wanting to be left alone and then dying.
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Kelystic posted...

wat da fuck is up with her neck
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Rian Johnson was wanting to use the Force in a way that it didn't seem like a superpower. He actually noted that he had originally considered having actual Luke show up and just fuck up everyone and everything, but that would make him a superhero, and that's not the point of the movie. So instead he had Luke exhibit a tremendous power in another way, and use his cunning to win the day rather than going full savage against impossible odds.

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Kelystic posted...

wat da fuck is up with her neck

That's not her neck, it's part of her dress.

Chicken_Butt posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Kelystic posted...

wat da fuck is up with her neck

That's not her neck, it's part of her dress.

u fucking blind bro? look at her neck
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Soviet_Poland posted...

CapnMuffin posted...

Luke opened himself to the Force and gave everything he had left to create a new legend. A story that would cement the Jedi and his final act in the minds of The Resistance to spread to other parts of the galaxy who had declined to help themspark a flame of hope. It also enabled their escape. He single handedly saved The Resistance. His legacy also lives on in Rey and Ben.

See, this was thematically very obvious, but gets overlooked.

It's because star wars fans will be inherently impossible to please. Half of them want some deep, symbolic meaning. The other half just want demi-god style fighting to save the day. No subtext, just "epic, badass fights."

Except they detract from one another. If they appeal to both sides, you get a confused title that doesn't know what it wants to be. And if you go one or the other, the neglected side gets rabid.

This isn't incorporating the giant fucking mess that comes with injecting what star wars initially was--a black and white movie in the era of the Cold War, to what it has become, with fans injecting a life into the entire universe so fleshed out, it's impossible to do justice in a feature film.

I think I'm the only one who watched TLJ and didn't pop an aneurysm because it didn't conform to my expectations. It's not my favorite film, but I didn't emotionally invest so much that even the tiniest details would send me off going "reeeeeeee"

You're a rational person and I wish more people were like you
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Chicken_Butt posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Kelystic posted...

wat da fuck is up with her neck

That's not her neck, it's part of her dress.

u fucking blind bro? look at her neck

You can't, it's covered up.
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ForestLogic posted...

But idk what character development Luke underwent by wanting to be left alone and then dying.

He went alone because he failed. He felt he couldn't live up to the legend he had built up for himself. Not only this but he felt that he was simply repeating the same mistake the Jedi made in the prequels. That they end up hurting the galaxy more than helping. So he hid away hoping that the Jedi legend would be forgotten.

He thought that training Rey would lead her to figuring out the same thing. He was broken and pessimistic. Finally when he spoke to Yoda he realized that he could be something more. He used the Force to create the illusion of an immortal legend. It wasn't physically possible for him to take on an entire army. But he could use his mastery of the Force to create this scenario anyway. He exerted all of energy to do this. Kylo mentions to Rey that projection could kill her. That was only to one person. Luke managed to project himself to an entire battlefield. It drained him. This final act was what lead to him finding peace within himself and the Force and he passed on just like Obi-Wan did. It's not his fight anymore.

I think the intention was for Leia to be the major OT character in episode 9 but unfortunately Carrie passed away.
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