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Jeff AKA Snoopy 04/01/18 1:52:08 PM #1:	I love the story of Kylo Ren. NOTE - Spoilers for films. I have no read supplemental works, so if some of this is wrong I'm only going by the films The son of two heroes of the Rebellion, there isn't really any indication of there being a massive weight put upon him. That being said, there was still a boat load of stuff going on and conflict, so Kylo Ren grew up in the thick of war, or if not war, at least conflict. Kylo shows promise with his awakening to The Force. Despite his fathers objections, Kylo is taken in by Luke to be trained. Showing exceptional power, Luke is eventually tricked by Snoke into seeing a dark future with Kylo (basically that he will be the next Darth Vader), and in a moment of weakness, Luke goes to destroy the threat. He changes his mind, but not before Kylo Ren see's Luke standing over him, looming. Luke tries to apologize/explain, but Kylo, in pure unadulterated fear, escapes. He is quickly influenced by Snoke in this moment, gives in to fear, anger, and hate. He takes some students with him (Knights of Ren) and slaughters everyone else. With nowhere else to go (he has moved against the Jedi and his own family), Ren eventually finds his way to Snoke. Snoke, a powerful force user, realizes the potential of Kylo Ren to MAYBE be the next Darth Vader. Snoke, needing powerful force users, takes him in. Not really to train him (Snoke is not a Sith, just a user of the Force), but to use him. If Kylo Ren can be HIS Vader, all the better. Kylo Ren finds SOME solace in the fact that someone at least wants him around for his power, if nothing else. Kylo is not a total idiot, he gets that Snoke is using him. Ren is still basically a child though, fear and wanting to find his place in things. He also starts plans of his own. They basically are using one another, Snoke believing he can use Ren for power, Ren feeling the same about Snoke. Snoke tries to make Ren live up to being Darth Vader, without really teaching him or anything. He just tells him to be like Vader. Ren tries to do this, feeling that maybe that is his place in all this. Be the next Darth Vader. It is in his blood, after all. That being said, we discover throughout Episode 7 that Ren has not really "turned", like Vader did. He is confused and scared, and being manipulated by a dark force user. If you're gonna be all messed up anyways, might as well align with those who are strong. Throughout Episode 7 we see him trying to make a legitimate connection with Rey. He see's in her what he knows about himself. Fear, confusion, unsure where they fit in the universe, unsure what The Force has in store for them. He says he wants to help her train, when really he just wants to have another by his side. He feels her power from the Light Side, and feels as if he is betrayed by The Force in some ways (IMO). His power is faltering, and in the face of someone BRAND NEW to using The Force, he fails. He fails to protect Starkiller base, he fails to protect himself, and while he does attempt to purge himself of all light by murdering his father, it just leaves him more confused. At the end of Episode 7, Snoke basically admits he did not really train Kylo Ren at all and that he feels Ren is a failure, and wants to just turn Rey (who is legit POWERFUL for a new Force user) instead. While this isn't an option, Snoke says he will train Ren better. Obviously Ren has figured out that he is to be "replaced" or at least usurped, so he plays along with his own plans. *******************NEXT POST********************** --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:898876476] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>I love the story of Kylo Ren. NOTE - Spoilers for films. I have no read supplemental works, so if some of this is wrong I'm only going by the films The son of two heroes of the Rebellion, there isn't really any indication of there being a massive weight put upon him. That being said, there was still a boat load of stuff going on and conflict, so Kylo Ren grew up in the thick of war, or if not war, at least conflict. Kylo shows promise with his awakening to The Force. Despite his fathers objections, Kylo is taken in by Luke to be trained. Showing exceptional power, Luke is eventually tricked by Snoke into seeing a dark future with Kylo (basically that he will be the next Darth Vader), and in a moment of weakness, Luke goes to destroy the threat. He changes his mind, but not before Kylo Ren see's Luke standing over him, looming. Luke tries to apologize/explain, but Kylo, in pure unadulterated fear, escapes. He is quickly influenced by Snoke in this moment, gives in to fear, anger, and hate. He takes some students with him (Knights of Ren) and slaughters everyone else. With nowhere else to go (he has moved against the Jedi and his own family), Ren eventually finds his way to Snoke. Snoke, a powerful force user, realizes the potential of Kylo Ren to MAYBE be the next Darth Vader. Snoke, needing powerful force users, takes him in. Not really to train him (Snoke is not a Sith, just a user of the Force), but to use him. If Kylo Ren can be HIS Vader, all the better. Kylo Ren finds SOME solace in the fact that someone at least wants him around for his power, if nothing else. Kylo is not a total idiot, he gets that Snoke is using him. Ren is still basically a child though, fear and wanting to find his place in things. He also starts plans of his own. They basically are using one another, Snoke believing he can use Ren for power, Ren feeling the same about Snoke. Snoke tries to make Ren live up to being Darth Vader, without really teaching him or anything. He just tells him to be like Vader. Ren tries to do this, feeling that maybe that is his place in all this. Be the next Darth Vader. It is in his blood, after all. That being said, we discover throughout Episode 7 that Ren has not really "turned", like Vader did. He is confused and scared, and being manipulated by a dark force user. If you're gonna be all messed up anyways, might as well align with those who are strong. Throughout Episode 7 we see him trying to make a legitimate connection with Rey. He see's in her what he knows about himself. Fear, confusion, unsure where they fit in the universe, unsure what The Force has in store for them. He says he wants to help her train, when really he just wants to have another by his side. He feels her power from the Light Side, and feels as if he is betrayed by The Force in some ways (IMO). His power is faltering, and in the face of someone BRAND NEW to using The Force, he fails. He fails to protect Starkiller base, he fails to protect himself, and while he does attempt to purge himself of all light by murdering his father, it just leaves him more confused. At the end of Episode 7, Snoke basically admits he did not really train Kylo Ren at all and that he feels Ren is a failure, and wants to just turn Rey (who is legit POWERFUL for a new Force user) instead. While this isn't an option, Snoke says he will train Ren better. Obviously Ren has figured out that he is to be "replaced" or at least usurped, so he plays along with his own plans. *****************NEXT POST************************</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 04/01/18 1:52:14 PM #2:	Episode 8 begins with Ren playing second fiddle largely to Hux in a plan to eliminate the Resistance. Hux is dragged by his feet to see Snoke and Kylo Ren after a supposed failure. This again just proves to Ren that he is not part of the picture for Snoke moving forward. Hux is more of an asset, and Ren gets chewed out by Snoke for his failure. Kylo Ren heads out on a ship to attack his mothers command ship, only to lose his nerve. Another pilot takes the shot, and Ren leaves. I love this scene, it shows AGAIN that Ren has no idea what he really wants to do. He felt like he would get some sort of closure or praise for killing Han, only for Snoke to basically tell him he is a failure and that meant nothing. Loved that scene too, as it's basically Ren pleading (in a way) with Snoke to give him some guidance. He's basically like, "I did not hesitate to murder my father. Why do I still feel confused and incomplete?! TURN ME INTO VADER!" which Snoke just tells him he's being silly about now. Take off that damn thing, you are no Vader. Throughout much of Episode 8, Kylo Ren and Rey develop a relationship of sorts, almost sibling like. They speak to one another about their confusion about the state of the Universe, the Force, and what they have done and will do moving forward. Rey feels (correctly) the good in Kylo Ren. Ren allows himself to open up some and does take in the light from her as well. He tells her about his view on things (Luke saw my power and feared it, so he tried to kill me). Of course we find out that it was more complex than that, with Snoke having basically manipulated both of them into what had happened. Once Rey hears about this, she is convinced she can turn Kylo Ren back to the light, and they will fight Snoke and the First Order together. Ren does take her to see Snoke, and Snoke basically plays them off each other. Snoke knows he will basically force one to kill the other, and maintain his power. Ren however turns on Snoke and kills him, knowing that he would likely never get another opportunity to do so. They fight together and it seems like everything is great. Ren however saw things differently. He thought that after Rey had heard about the actions of Luke, she would move away from the Jedi. Being lost, like him, they could find the answers together as a ruling duo of Force users, failed by both the Jedi and the Sith. Maybe I'm just a sucker, but this is such an interesting narrative for the films to take. What happens when a Force User has been failed by both the Jedi and the Sith? What happens to those who aren't "picked up" by either camp? What if they are insanely powerful? Kylo Ren tells a wonderful story about a child who is failed by nearly everyone and the steps that child takes to eventually be in a position to never "be failed" by superiors ever again. He is neither "the light" or "the dark". He is confusion. He works against his own intuition to attain some sort of praise and place. He is willing to turn against everything he feels is right in order to be who he is "destined" to be. He is fine being Darth Vader, a powerful man who was basically the embodiment of fear. It's just not in him however. He kills his father in hoping he will find clarity with "The Dark Side", but that doesn't happen. Both his masters failed him. He ends up killing Snoke, being clowned by his former master Luke (who also dies in the process), leaving him at the end being the Leader of the First Order. At least now, his confusion, fear, light, and darkness is his to ultimately order around. He is the type of failure that we just don't see in Star Wars films. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:898876482] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>Episode 8 begins with Ren playing second fiddle largely to Hux in a plan to eliminate the Resistance. Hux is dragged by his feet to see Snoke and Kylo Ren after a supposed failure. This again just proves to Ren that he is not part of the picture for Snoke moving forward. Hux is more of an asset, and Ren gets chewed out by Snoke for his failure. Kylo Ren heads out on a ship to attack his mothers command ship, only to lose his nerve. Another pilot takes the shot, and Ren leaves. I love this scene, it shows AGAIN that Ren has no idea what he really wants to do. He felt like he would get some sort of closure or praise for killing Han, only for Snoke to basically tell him he is a failure and that meant nothing. Loved that scene too, as it's basically Ren pleading (in a way) with Snoke to give him some guidance. He's basically like, "I did not hesitate to murder my father. Why do I still feel confused and incomplete?! TURN ME INTO VADER!" which Snoke just tells him he's being silly about now. Take off that damn thing, you are no Vader. Throughout much of Episode 8, Kylo Ren and Rey develop a relationship of sorts, almost sibling like. They speak to one another about their confusion about the state of the Universe, the Force, and what they have done and will do moving forward. Rey feels (correctly) the good in Kylo Ren. Ren allows himself to open up some and does take in the light from her as well. He tells her about his view on things (Luke saw my power and feared it, so he tried to kill me). Of course we find out that it was more complex than that, with Snoke having basically manipulated both of them into what had happened. Once Rey hears about this, she is convinced she can turn Kylo Ren back to the light, and they will fight Snoke and the First Order together. Ren does take her to see Snoke, and Snoke basically plays them off each other. Snoke knows he will basically force one to kill the other, and maintain his power. Ren however turns on Snoke and kills him, knowing that he would likely never get another opportunity to do so. They fight together and it seems like everything is great. Ren however saw things differently. He thought that after Rey had heard about the actions of Luke, she would move away from the Jedi. Being lost, like him, they could find the answers together as a ruling duo of Force users, failed by both the Jedi and the Sith. Maybe I'm just a sucker, but this is such an interesting narrative for the films to take. What happens when a Force User has been failed by both the Jedi and the Sith? What happens to those who aren't "picked up" by either camp? What if they are insanely powerful? Kylo Ren tells a wonderful story about a child who is failed by nearly everyone and the steps that child takes to eventually be in a position to never "be failed" by superiors ever again. He is neither "the light" or "the dark". He is confusion. He works against his own intuition to attain some sort of praise and place. He is willing to turn against everything he feels is right in order to be who he is "destined" to be. He is fine being Darth Vader, a powerful man who was basically the embodiment of fear. It's just not in him however. He kills his father in hoping he will find clarity with "The Dark Side", but that doesn't happen. Both his masters failed him. He ends up killing Snoke, being clowned by his former master Luke (who also dies in the process), leaving him at the end being the Leader of the First Order. At least now, his confusion, fear, light, and darkness is his to ultimately order around. He is the type of failure that we just don't see in Star Wars films.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Joenage 04/01/18 1:52:39 PM #3:	https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Shirtless-Kylo-Ren-1.jpg --- Joenage. <cite>Joenage posted [p:898876504] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Shirtless-Kylo-Ren-1.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 04/01/18 1:55:18 PM #4:	Kylo Ren was cool in Force Awakens but they ruined his arc in Last Jedi. this is what happens when you trade off the movies with different directors who rip up the previous director's notes <cite>Zikten posted [p:898876627] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>Kylo Ren was cool in Force Awakens but they ruined his arc in Last Jedi. this is what happens when you trade off the movies with different directors who rip up the previous director's notes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mew4ever 04/01/18 2:01:14 PM #5:	Zikten posted... Kylo Ren was cool in Force Awakens but they ruined his arc in Last Jedi. this is what happens when you trade off the movies with different directors who rip up the previous director's notes There's a lot of fair complaints for TLJ but Kylo seems to be an agreed upon strong point for most people. His arc I thought was fine and Adam Driver was terrific in TLJ --- http://tinyurl.com/qg6jcsu New York Mets 2015 NL Champions. New York Jets: 5-11 <cite>mew4ever posted [p:898876899] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>Kylo Ren was cool in Force Awakens but they ruined his arc in Last Jedi. this is what happens when you trade off the movies with different directors who rip up the previous director's notes</quote> There's a lot of fair complaints for TLJ but Kylo seems to be an agreed upon strong point for most people. His arc I thought was fine and Adam Driver was terrific in TLJ</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 04/01/18 2:02:44 PM #6:	I didnt like him taking his mask off. his fetishing of Vader was the most interesting thing about him. then his boss makes one comment about it and he abandons it. <cite>Zikten posted [p:898876988] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>I didnt like him taking his mask off. his fetishing of Vader was the most interesting thing about him. then his boss makes one comment about it and he abandons it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/01/18 2:03:30 PM #7:	Zikten posted... Kylo Ren was cool in Force Awakens but they ruined his arc in Last Jedi. this is what happens when you trade off the movies with different directors who rip up the previous director's notes Garbage tier opinion from a garbage tier poster. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:898877020] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>Kylo Ren was cool in Force Awakens but they ruined his arc in Last Jedi. this is what happens when you trade off the movies with different directors who rip up the previous director's notes</quote> Garbage tier opinion from a garbage tier poster.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banjo2553 04/01/18 2:04:42 PM #8:	Zikten posted... Kylo Ren was cool in Force Awakens but they ruined his arc in Last Jedi. this is what happens when you trade off the movies with different directors who rip up the previous director's notes Honestly I'm glad he didn't turn good. He really would've been like Vader in that aspect. Unless that's not what you mean. I do agree Kylo Ren is probably the best character in the sequel trilogy. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>Banjo2553 posted [p:898877078] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>Kylo Ren was cool in Force Awakens but they ruined his arc in Last Jedi. this is what happens when you trade off the movies with different directors who rip up the previous director's notes</quote> Honestly I'm glad he didn't turn good. He really would've been like Vader in that aspect. Unless that's not what you mean. I do agree Kylo Ren is probably the best character in the sequel trilogy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 04/01/18 2:04:55 PM #9:	Adam Driver's acting has been possibly the best part of the whole new trilogy. The guy has really been knocking it out of the park and I can't wait to see where the character goes in the last movie. It was a shame he went generic dark at the end of TLJ, but I'm still holding out hope that it's more of a one ring "I can do it right this time" situation. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:898877095] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>Adam Driver's acting has been possibly the best part of the whole new trilogy. The guy has really been knocking it out of the park and I can't wait to see where the character goes in the last movie. It was a shame he went generic dark at the end of TLJ, but I'm still holding out hope that it's more of a one ring "I can do it right this time" situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnterTheTekken 04/01/18 2:06:34 PM #10:	I also like how he was the symbol of Rian Johnson's subversion. Especially when he delivers the line "Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to." <cite>EnterTheTekken posted [p:898877175] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>I also like how he was the symbol of Rian Johnson's subversion. Especially when he delivers the line "Let the past die. Kill it, if you have to."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dr_Agon 04/01/18 2:06:42 PM #11:	Kylo Ren is easily the best thing about the new trilogy. --- Don't fear the eyes of the Dark Lord. <cite>Dr_Agon posted [p:898877183] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>Kylo Ren is easily the best thing about the new trilogy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 04/01/18 2:10:23 PM #12:	s0nicfan posted... Adam Driver's acting has been possibly the best part of the whole new trilogy. The guy has really been knocking it out of the park and I can't wait to see where the character goes in the last movie. It was a shame he went generic dark at the end of TLJ, but I'm still holding out hope that it's more of a one ring "I can do it right this time" situation. I don't necessarily think that he is doing a generic dark side. He isn't a Sith remember, he's just using a lot of the dark side. He doesn't know/believe in the whole "Rule of Two" and stuff like that. He never asked Rey to be his apprentice, just wanted her to rule beside him. Leaves it open to a lot of neat possibilities. Sure he will continue to attempt to immerse himself in darkness to try and become Vader, but he will fail at it, he won't be a good leader, he will make decisions based on his conflicted nature. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:898877359] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Adam Driver's acting has been possibly the best part of the whole new trilogy. The guy has really been knocking it out of the park and I can't wait to see where the character goes in the last movie. It was a shame he went generic dark at the end of TLJ, but I'm still holding out hope that it's more of a one ring "I can do it right this time" situation.</quote> I don't necessarily think that he is doing a generic dark side. He isn't a Sith remember, he's just using a lot of the dark side. He doesn't know/believe in the whole "Rule of Two" and stuff like that. He never asked Rey to be his apprentice, just wanted her to rule beside him. Leaves it open to a lot of neat possibilities. Sure he will continue to attempt to immerse himself in darkness to try and become Vader, but he will fail at it, he won't be a good leader, he will make decisions based on his conflicted nature.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 04/01/18 2:11:13 PM #13:	Yeah when i have doubts about my relatives i stand above them as they sleep with my laser sword and consider murdering them. ~~fucking garbage~~ --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:898877405] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>Yeah when i have doubts about my relatives i stand above them as they sleep with my laser sword and consider murdering them. fucking garbage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 04/01/18 2:16:04 PM #15:	VandorLee posted... Yeah when i have doubts about my relatives i stand above them as they sleep with my laser sword and consider murdering them. ~~fucking garbage~~ I think Rian Johnson wanted to do the complete opposite of the Expanded Universe Luke and make him all fucked up and flawed. <cite>Zikten posted [p:898877665] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah when i have doubts about my relatives i stand above them as they sleep with my laser sword and consider murdering them. fucking garbage</quote> I think Rian Johnson wanted to do the complete opposite of the Expanded Universe Luke and make him all fucked up and flawed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 04/01/18 2:18:08 PM #16:	Zikten posted... VandorLee posted... Yeah when i have doubts about my relatives i stand above them as they sleep with my laser sword and consider murdering them. ~~fucking garbage~~ I think Rian Johnson wanted to do the complete opposite of the Expanded Universe Luke and make him all fucked up and flawed. Unfortunately Rian Johnson is a hack with like 3 movies under his belt and decided the best time to be "experimental" was in key moments in one of the biggest franchises in the world, so he fucked it all up instead. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:898877750] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah when i have doubts about my relatives i stand above them as they sleep with my laser sword and consider murdering them. fucking garbage</quote> I think Rian Johnson wanted to do the complete opposite of the Expanded Universe Luke and make him all fucked up and flawed.</quote> Unfortunately Rian Johnson is a hack with like 3 movies under his belt and decided the best time to be "experimental" was in key moments in one of the biggest franchises in the world, so he fucked it all up instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 04/01/18 2:20:39 PM #17:	He's definitely the most interesting new character. Making him like Vader was a mistake should have been Bane or one of the old Sith, his gear looks more like that anyhow. Rian tried to make him too cool and strong, him being weaker and more of an edgy teen was better. Finn, Rey and Poe are really misused and just boring. Especially when Finn could have been a really interesting character. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:898877855] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>He's definitely the most interesting new character. Making him like Vader was a mistake should have been Bane or one of the old Sith, his gear looks more like that anyhow. Rian tried to make him too cool and strong, him being weaker and more of an edgy teen was better. Finn, Rey and Poe are really misused and just boring. Especially when Finn could have been a really interesting character.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 04/01/18 2:21:31 PM #18:	Why is the most recent star wars so polarized? I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I heard SO many people talk about how disappointed they were with it... --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:898877894] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>Why is the most recent star wars so polarized? I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I heard SO many people talk about how disappointed they were with it...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 04/01/18 2:21:33 PM #19:	I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:898877895] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 04/01/18 2:22:20 PM #20:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace. It was far more than that one moment. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:898877941] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace.</quote> It was far more than that one moment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 04/01/18 2:24:22 PM #21:	s0nicfan posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace. It was far more than that one moment. He was being manipulated by Snoke for quite some time yes, just like Ben was. They were both being played off one another. Wouldn't be the first time a Jedi has been mind fucked by someone especially powerful with mind tricks. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:898878021] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace.</quote> It was far more than that one moment.</quote> He was being manipulated by Snoke for quite some time yes, just like Ben was. They were both being played off one another. Wouldn't be the first time a Jedi has been mind fucked by someone especially powerful with mind tricks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JustMonika 04/01/18 2:24:55 PM #22:	Adam Driver does not make an intimidating villain. --- https://i.imgur.com/ywpB1ar.gif <cite>JustMonika posted [p:898878044] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>Adam Driver does not make an intimidating villain.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 04/01/18 2:25:35 PM #23:	Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... s0nicfan posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace. It was far more than that one moment. He was being manipulated by Snoke for quite some time yes, just like Ben was. They were both being played off one another. Wouldn't be the first time a Jedi has been mind fucked by someone especially powerful with mind tricks. This is the dumbest explanation I've ever seen for Luke being poorly written, and I can only assume you're either trolling me or are Rian Johnson himself. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:898878073] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace.</quote> It was far more than that one moment.</quote> He was being manipulated by Snoke for quite some time yes, just like Ben was. They were both being played off one another. Wouldn't be the first time a Jedi has been mind fucked by someone especially powerful with mind tricks.</quote> This is the dumbest explanation I've ever seen for Luke being poorly written, and I can only assume you're either trolling me or are Rian Johnson himself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 04/01/18 2:25:42 PM #24:	JustMonika posted... Adam Driver does not make an intimidating villain. That wasn't really the point of Kylo Ren. He isn't intimidating, he tries to be but is obviously conflicted and scared. It's a really interesting dynamic that Adam Driver plays REALLY well. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:898878082] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>JustMonika posted...</cite> <quote>Adam Driver does not make an intimidating villain.</quote> That wasn't really the point of Kylo Ren. He isn't intimidating, he tries to be but is obviously conflicted and scared. It's a really interesting dynamic that Adam Driver plays REALLY well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 04/01/18 2:27:12 PM #25:	s0nicfan posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... s0nicfan posted... Jeff AKA Snoopy posted... I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace. It was far more than that one moment. He was being manipulated by Snoke for quite some time yes, just like Ben was. They were both being played off one another. Wouldn't be the first time a Jedi has been mind fucked by someone especially powerful with mind tricks. This is the dumbest explanation I've ever seen for Luke being poorly written, and I can only assume you're either trolling me or are Rian Johnson himself. Darth Sidious masks his presence for DECADES being right under the nose of the entire Jedi Council. Vader tricked Skywalker into coming to Cloud City into an obvious trap. Anakin was fed dreams by Sidious about the death of his wife. I'm not really sure why people need to be reminded that those strong with the Force can and HAVE done amazing things. --- https://i.imgtc.com/5AQormY.gif <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:898878146] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...</cite> <quote>I think people are too hard on Luke having momentarily, out of FEAR, considered eliminating a threat to the galactic peace.</quote> It was far more than that one moment.</quote> He was being manipulated by Snoke for quite some time yes, just like Ben was. They were both being played off one another. Wouldn't be the first time a Jedi has been mind fucked by someone especially powerful with mind tricks.</quote> This is the dumbest explanation I've ever seen for Luke being poorly written, and I can only assume you're either trolling me or are Rian Johnson himself.</quote> Darth Sidious masks his presence for DECADES being right under the nose of the entire Jedi Council. Vader tricked Skywalker into coming to Cloud City into an obvious trap. Anakin was fed dreams by Sidious about the death of his wife. I'm not really sure why people need to be reminded that those strong with the Force can and HAVE done amazing things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Ivory_Man 04/01/18 3:17:40 PM #26:	Dustin1280 posted... Why is the most recent star wars so polarized? I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I heard SO many people talk about how disappointed they were with it... It's heavily flawed. The new characters, again barring Kylo Ren don't get any real development. They aren't interesting. Reminder Rose is basically Lando's spot for the new trilogy Nobody in the First Order is remotely intimidating even though the organization is supposed to appear to be. Space Chase sequence was awful full of Holdo being downright stupid just for that drama Liea in space. Snoke receives zero information for who the fuck he is or where he came from. The entire Casino Subplot Luke acts completely out of character to who he was in the Original Trilogy and how he developed, to the point where he said that he had to think of the character as a different person, nicknaming him Jake Skywalker. The sequel trilogy as a whole is a gigantic disappointment as it's literally "wut if Empire vs Rebels, but biggerer?!" Reflected in the entire design, we have little information on anything when world building has always been one of the strengths of Star Wars. I could go on, but there's a reason why it's disliked. --- "Just because someone is killed doesn't mean they died" - Shojikan <cite>The_Ivory_Man posted [p:898880479] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Why is the most recent star wars so polarized? I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I heard SO many people talk about how disappointed they were with it...</quote> It's heavily flawed. The new characters, again barring Kylo Ren don't get any real development. They aren't interesting. Reminder Rose is basically Lando's spot for the new trilogy Nobody in the First Order is remotely intimidating even though the organization is supposed to appear to be. Space Chase sequence was awful full of Holdo being downright stupid just for that drama Liea in space. Snoke receives zero information for who the fuck he is or where he came from. The entire Casino Subplot Luke acts completely out of character to who he was in the Original Trilogy and how he developed, to the point where he said that he had to think of the character as a different person, nicknaming him Jake Skywalker. The sequel trilogy as a whole is a gigantic disappointment as it's literally "wut if Empire vs Rebels, but biggerer?!" Reflected in the entire design, we have little information on anything when world building has always been one of the strengths of Star Wars. I could go on, but there's a reason why it's disliked.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 04/01/18 3:26:46 PM #27:	Gotcha, well that makes sense then. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:898880875] in The best t... [t:76474981]...</cite> <quote>Gotcha, well that makes sense then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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