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FFVII_REMAKE
03/24/18 11:33:38 PM
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It only restricts responsible gun owners more and mass shooters would just go to the black market for their guns.
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Dash_Harber
03/24/18 11:34:10 PM
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Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?
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ehhwhatever
03/24/18 11:35:39 PM
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Sadism has set in, no stopping it now. world is pretty much toast.
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Sonic Cannon
03/24/18 11:38:59 PM
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The black market is considerably smaller, more expensive, and less available in countries with stricter gun laws.
Most mass shooters tend to be young, socially isolated men with low incomes.
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Ulyanyx
03/24/18 11:41:03 PM
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Sonic Cannon posted...
The black market is considerably smaller, more expensive, and less available in countries with stricter gun laws.
Most mass shooters tend to be young, socially isolated men with low incomes.


you know that if someone wants to commit a crime, they will commit a crime, right? it doesn't matter how small the market, how hard to find it, people will find a way to do what they want, if they really want to do it
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A_Good_Boy
03/24/18 11:43:24 PM
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Ulyanyx posted...
Sonic Cannon posted...
The black market is considerably smaller, more expensive, and less available in countries with stricter gun laws.
Most mass shooters tend to be young, socially isolated men with low incomes.


you know that if someone wants to commit a crime, they will commit a crime, right? it doesn't matter how small the market, how hard to find it, people will find a way to do what they want, if they really want to do it

The difficulty to acquire a gun would reduce the frequency. Being forced to resort to less lethal means to commit a crime means that those that eventually do will provide a reduced body count.
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Dash_Harber
03/24/18 11:44:10 PM
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Ulyanyx posted...
Sonic Cannon posted...
The black market is considerably smaller, more expensive, and less available in countries with stricter gun laws.
Most mass shooters tend to be young, socially isolated men with low incomes.


you know that if someone wants to commit a crime, they will commit a crime, right? it doesn't matter how small the market, how hard to find it, people will find a way to do what they want, if they really want to do it


You literally are ignoring facts to make an emotional argument about how you can't stop crime so might as well arm everyone.

"Well, terrorists can get access to nuclear warheads, so why don't we just give them to every single person as a preventative measure?"
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Pepys Monster
03/24/18 11:44:18 PM
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Sonic Cannon posted...
The black market is considerably smaller, more expensive, and less available in countries with stricter gun laws.
Most mass shooters tend to be young, socially isolated men with low incomes.

If gangsters in the hood can figure out how to get guns, a crazy school shooter kid can figure it out too.
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ManBeast462
03/24/18 11:45:47 PM
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True, it doesnt make sense to punish law abiding citizens
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Dash_Harber
03/24/18 11:46:13 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Sonic Cannon posted...
The black market is considerably smaller, more expensive, and less available in countries with stricter gun laws.
Most mass shooters tend to be young, socially isolated men with low incomes.

If gangsters in the hood can figure out how to get guns, a crazy school shooter kid can figure it out too.

Except, again, they can only do it now with the loose gun regulations. Countries with better gun control tend to have a lot fewer criminals with guns.
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CommonStar
03/24/18 11:46:20 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Sonic Cannon posted...
The black market is considerably smaller, more expensive, and less available in countries with stricter gun laws.
Most mass shooters tend to be young, socially isolated men with low incomes.

If gangsters in the hood can figure out how to get guns, a crazy school shooter kid can figure it out too.

Have any of the mass shooters in the recent years gotten their gun from the black market?
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FFVII_REMAKE
03/24/18 11:46:47 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?


You've never been to the hood.
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A_Good_Boy
03/24/18 11:47:38 PM
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?


You've never been to the hood.

Have you?
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Dash_Harber
03/24/18 11:47:50 PM
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FFVII_REMAKE posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?


You've never been to the hood.


Your argument is "in the current system, guns are readily available in impoverished areas with high criminal activity, and that is evidence that in a completely different system, the same thing would apply"? You realize that those areas exist because of the lax gun control laws, right?
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foreverzero212
03/24/18 11:49:07 PM
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The black market for guns sucks right now because guns are legal to buy and really easy to do so. Ban them and the black market will get a lot stronger and accessible like it did with prohibition and the modern day drug market.
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Duwstai
03/24/18 11:49:12 PM
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Im pretty left but definitely pro second amendment. I don't think the ar 15 should be banned or guns in general. There's gotta be other ways to lessen the amount of mass shootings than taking away everyone's rights. I'm not ok with that at all.

I do think if you want a gun you should get a pretty thorough background check and have to pass some sort of basic firearm safety course though. I don't really understand why people are against that at minimum
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darkjedilink
03/24/18 11:49:41 PM
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Sonic Cannon posted...
The black market is considerably smaller, more expensive, and less available in countries with stricter gun laws.

The internet is a thing. Guns can be 3D printed and bought with crypto.

If you smoke pot in a state that it is illegal, you have a connection to black market weapons.
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darkjedilink
03/24/18 11:51:19 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
FFVII_REMAKE posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?


You've never been to the hood.

Your argument is "in the current system, guns are readily available in impoverished areas with high criminal activity, and that is evidence that in a completely different system, the same thing would apply"? You realize that those areas exist because of the lax gun control laws, right?

Most of those areas are in cities and states with pretty harsh gun control laws, actually.
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CarlGrimes
03/24/18 11:51:43 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?

I could probably go to some inner city and get a handgun without much trouble from some gang dealer.
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Dash_Harber
03/24/18 11:52:07 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
FFVII_REMAKE posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?


You've never been to the hood.

Your argument is "in the current system, guns are readily available in impoverished areas with high criminal activity, and that is evidence that in a completely different system, the same thing would apply"? You realize that those areas exist because of the lax gun control laws, right?

Most of those areas are in cities and states with pretty harsh gun control laws, actually.

Harsh gun control in cities doesn't mean shit if it's federally lax because there is no checkpoint in between jurisdictions to prevent guns from being moved from one place to another.
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darkjedilink
03/25/18 12:40:39 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
FFVII_REMAKE posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?

You've never been to the hood.

Your argument is "in the current system, guns are readily available in impoverished areas with high criminal activity, and that is evidence that in a completely different system, the same thing would apply"? You realize that those areas exist because of the lax gun control laws, right?

Most of those areas are in cities and states with pretty harsh gun control laws, actually.

Harsh gun control in cities doesn't mean shit if it's federally lax because there is no checkpoint in between jurisdictions to prevent guns from being moved from one place to another.

What are you talking about? Are you saying that local police forces can't enforce local gun laws?

Never mind the fact that federal gun laws are written so stricter state and local laws take precedence, meaning that federal agents can still arrest and charge you with breaking local laws, so your whole argument is worthless.

As a matter of fact, you're a prime example with a major problem with gun control rhetoric - most gun control advocates don't actually know what the laws are. In a lot of cases, they advocate against scenarios that are already illegal, such as the "gun show loophole" which doesn't exist.
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Dash_Harber
03/25/18 4:51:37 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
FFVII_REMAKE posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?

You've never been to the hood.

Your argument is "in the current system, guns are readily available in impoverished areas with high criminal activity, and that is evidence that in a completely different system, the same thing would apply"? You realize that those areas exist because of the lax gun control laws, right?

Most of those areas are in cities and states with pretty harsh gun control laws, actually.

Harsh gun control in cities doesn't mean shit if it's federally lax because there is no checkpoint in between jurisdictions to prevent guns from being moved from one place to another.

What are you talking about? Are you saying that local police forces can't enforce local gun laws?

Never mind the fact that federal gun laws are written so stricter state and local laws take precedence, meaning that federal agents can still arrest and charge you with breaking local laws, so your whole argument is worthless.

As a matter of fact, you're a prime example with a major problem with gun control rhetoric - most gun control advocates don't actually know what the laws are. In a lot of cases, they advocate against scenarios that are already illegal, such as the "gun show loophole" which doesn't exist.


None of that is what I said and you are purposely making strawman arguments against things I didn't say and just making up shit about how I'm ignorant or some shit.
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darkjedilink
03/25/18 5:00:30 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
FFVII_REMAKE posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?

You've never been to the hood.

Your argument is "in the current system, guns are readily available in impoverished areas with high criminal activity, and that is evidence that in a completely different system, the same thing would apply"? You realize that those areas exist because of the lax gun control laws, right?

Most of those areas are in cities and states with pretty harsh gun control laws, actually.

Harsh gun control in cities doesn't mean shit if it's federally lax because there is no checkpoint in between jurisdictions to prevent guns from being moved from one place to another.

What are you talking about? Are you saying that local police forces can't enforce local gun laws?

Never mind the fact that federal gun laws are written so stricter state and local laws take precedence, meaning that federal agents can still arrest and charge you with breaking local laws, so your whole argument is worthless.

As a matter of fact, you're a prime example with a major problem with gun control rhetoric - most gun control advocates don't actually know what the laws are. In a lot of cases, they advocate against scenarios that are already illegal, such as the "gun show loophole" which doesn't exist.

None of that is what I said and you are purposely making strawman arguments against things I didn't say and just making up shit about how I'm ignorant or some shit.

You're arguing that strict gun laws don't work because of some bullshit about "checkpoints." NOBODY knows what the fuck you're talking about.
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Dash_Harber
03/25/18 5:03:11 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
You're arguing that strict gun laws don't work because of some bullshit about "checkpoints." NOBODY knows what the fuck you're talking about.

If you can't be civil about it, then I'm not going to waste my time. You made up a bunch of shit I didn't say and called me ignorant of laws I never talked about because of an argument you pretended I made even though I didn't.

It's also funny how you claim to not know what I'm arguing, and also that I'm 'arguing for strict gun laws' and then making up some argument I never made.
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EdgeMaster
03/25/18 5:12:28 AM
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Dash_Harber posted...

Harsh gun control in cities doesn't mean shit if it's federally lax because there is no checkpoint in between jurisdictions to prevent guns from being moved from one place to another.


Not sure wtf you're talking about. It's like you just string words together and hope they made sense.

Dash_Harber posted...
FFVII_REMAKE posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Because most people don't have connections to a friendly local arms dealer?


You've never been to the hood.


Your argument is "in the current system, guns are readily available in impoverished areas with high criminal activity, and that is evidence that in a completely different system, the same thing would apply"? You realize that those areas exist because of the lax gun control laws, right?


Rockford, Illinois. GG
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Dark_Spiret
03/25/18 5:42:43 AM
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but it will make people feel better!
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