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LanHikari10
03/24/18 10:55:56 PM
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Frieza being alive either proves GT is noncanon since he's dead in GT or proves something else happens between Super and GT.

I'd go with the former though.
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Tyranthraxus
03/24/18 10:59:48 PM
#52:


LanHikari10 posted...
Frieza being alive either proves GT is noncanon since he's dead in GT or proves something else happens between Super and GT.

I'd go with the former though.

There's zero mention of him being resurrected in GT so I think that's not an issue.

However, Super isn't actually canon either as Toriyama didn't make it. He only did an outline and the manga and anime are just based on the outline.
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LanHikari10
03/24/18 11:01:17 PM
#53:


Tyranthraxus posted...
There's zero mention of him being resurrected in GT so I think that's not an issue.

He's definitely dead in GT because Goku fights him and Cell in hell.
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SuperVegito2487
03/24/18 11:02:29 PM
#54:


LanHikari10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
There's zero mention of him being resurrected in GT so I think that's not an issue.

He's definitely dead in GT because Goku fights him and Cell in hell.


Super and GT wont work in the same timeline... i thought that was obvious now...

Xenoverse treats them as alternative timelines and id say thats the best way to treat that particular issue, without triggering half the fanbase.
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Tyranthraxus
03/24/18 11:02:48 PM
#55:


LanHikari10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
There's zero mention of him being resurrected in GT so I think that's not an issue.

He's definitely dead in GT because Goku fights him and Cell in hell.

Yes I meant that there's no discussion about him having been resurrected and killed again.

And even if he was resurrected and killed again he's probably be stronger.
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Terra-enforcer
03/24/18 11:14:23 PM
#56:


Vicious_Dios posted...
SuperVegito2487 posted...
Akagami_Shanks posted...
Zeno priorly decided that that was the only wish that'd be allowed to be granted, and had the victor wished for something 'selfish, 'Zeno would have wiped out the last universe as well."


Welp that means there was still some tension...

17 is TRULY the MVP.


I never got the hype for 17. He's such a bland character.

I felt like that until this ep plus the manga. Esp the manga. Like hot damn.
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LanHikari10
03/24/18 11:15:44 PM
#57:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Yes I meant that there's no discussion about him having been resurrected and killed again.

And even if he was resurrected and killed again he's probably be stronger.


Ah, right. My bad.

SuperVegito2487 posted...
Super and GT wont work in the same timeline... i thought that was obvious now...

Xenoverse treats them as alternative timelines and id say thats the best way to treat that particular issue, without triggering half the fanbase.

Fair enough.
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Muffinz0rz
03/24/18 11:56:50 PM
#58:


Tyranthraxus posted...
LanHikari10 posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
There's zero mention of him being resurrected in GT so I think that's not an issue.

He's definitely dead in GT because Goku fights him and Cell in hell.

Yes I meant that there's no discussion about him having been resurrected and killed again.

And even if he was resurrected and killed again he's probably be stronger.

Frieza = Saiyan confirmed
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pikachupwnage
03/24/18 11:58:57 PM
#59:


Tyranthraxus posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
So is it over or going on hiatus? No one seems to be able to agree.

It's done. They say "indefinite suspension" but that's what Lost Canvas' official status is as well and we are never getting the third season.


Dragon Ball is a far more popular and marketable series.

Also we had sequel hooks via Freiza and the other universes coming back.
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Kanaya413
03/25/18 12:00:14 AM
#60:


Vicious_Dios posted...
SuperVegito2487 posted...
Akagami_Shanks posted...
Zeno priorly decided that that was the only wish that'd be allowed to be granted, and had the victor wished for something 'selfish, 'Zeno would have wiped out the last universe as well."


Welp that means there was still some tension...

17 is TRULY the MVP.


I never got the hype for 17. He's such a bland character.

He's sexy
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CapnMuffin
03/25/18 12:18:43 AM
#62:


It wasn't for nothing. It was a morality test. The Zeno wondered how corrupt the place was so held a tournament to test their will and integrity.
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EverDownward
03/25/18 12:21:09 AM
#63:


I like 17, always have, so Super was fun just because 17 got to shine.
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Kim Kusanagi
03/25/18 12:22:03 AM
#64:


Dragon ball champion edition
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Solar_Crimson
03/25/18 12:26:30 AM
#65:


LanHikari10 posted...
Frieza being alive either proves GT is noncanon since he's dead in GT or proves something else happens between Super and GT.

I'd go with the former though.

GT is no longer canon. It's officially a "What if?" sidestory.

Tyranthraxus posted...
However, Super isn't actually canon either as Toriyama didn't make it. He only did an outline and the manga and anime are just based on the outline.

Super is definitely canon, because Toriyama was involved in it.
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BlackHorse6969
03/25/18 12:27:31 AM
#66:


GT has always been non-canon -_-
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Cosmic_Diabetic
03/25/18 12:29:46 AM
#67:


White hair Goku seems to be the ultimate and final transformation in all scenarios. Both in Super and Dragonball AF with SSJ 5

Frankly, I thought the concept of GT was better than Super it just wasn't executed well with the AWFUL music score and the character dialogue could have been better. If they revisited. GT ending also kind of gave Goku a legend ending by going off with the dragon to his universe rather than staying with his family.
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dave_is_slick
03/25/18 12:36:48 AM
#68:


Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
White hair Goku seems to be the ultimate and final transformation in all scenarios. Both in Super and Dragonball AF with SSJ 5

I hope not. It's probably because I loved everything about SS4, but you'd figure that a saiyans ultimate transformation would be something that acknowledges and incorporates the Great Ape.
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Tyranthraxus
03/25/18 12:38:48 AM
#69:


Solar_Crimson posted...
Super is definitely canon, because Toriyama was involved in it.

No. He's had nothing to do with it except the story outline.

This is like saying Amazon's LotR shit is canon because it's based on some of Tolkien's scratch notes from the simarillion.
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Tyranthraxus
03/25/18 12:39:38 AM
#70:


Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
Dragonball AF with SSJ 5

AF literally stands for April Fool's. DB AF isn't something that exists.
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yusiko
03/25/18 12:42:24 AM
#71:


next September will the be release of the new series Dragon ball super duper which will pick up where super left off

we all know that is what will happen
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mehmeh1
03/25/18 12:42:52 AM
#72:


yusiko posted...
SuperVegito2487 posted...
Akagami_Shanks posted...
Zeno priorly decided that that was the only wish that'd be allowed to be granted, and had the victor wished for something 'selfish, 'Zeno would have wiped out the last universe as well."


Welp that means there was still some tension...

17 is TRULY the MVP.


no 18 was MVP
without her 17 would have been eliminated
and had she won she would have asked for money and the tournament wouldnt have been pointless

also i thought this was just just a temporary break and the show would be back eventually

so krillin was mvp for saving her in the first place?
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yusiko
03/25/18 12:45:08 AM
#73:


mehmeh1 posted...
so krillin was mvp for saving her in the first place?


no cause that scene was just stupid so its best to forget that happened
im glad the manga didnt do that.
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dave_is_slick
03/25/18 12:45:11 AM
#74:


Tyranthraxus posted...
No. He's had nothing to do with it except the story outline.

So it's his story. Sounds like involvement to me.
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Tyranthraxus
03/25/18 12:46:18 AM
#75:


dave_is_slick posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
No. He's had nothing to do with it except the story outline.

So it's his story. Sounds like involvement to me.

It's not his story though. It's "inspired" by some guidelines he wrote. That's it.
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dave_is_slick
03/25/18 12:50:56 AM
#76:


Tyranthraxus posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
No. He's had nothing to do with it except the story outline.

So it's his story. Sounds like involvement to me.

It's not his story though. It's "inspired" by some guidelines he wrote. That's it.

And where are you getting this?
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BatmanWTtP
03/25/18 12:53:39 AM
#77:


Man that final fight was amazing
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Tyranthraxus
03/25/18 12:55:14 AM
#78:


dave_is_slick posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
No. He's had nothing to do with it except the story outline.

So it's his story. Sounds like involvement to me.

It's not his story though. It's "inspired" by some guidelines he wrote. That's it.

And where are you getting this?

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

You can read the whole process of how the story gets made here. Toriyama provided major bullet points and toyotarou makes up the rest.
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dave_is_slick
03/25/18 12:56:17 AM
#79:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Toriyama provided major bullet points and toyotarou makes up the rest.

If they're major, why are you downplaying his involvement?
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Tyranthraxus
03/25/18 12:59:19 AM
#80:


dave_is_slick posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Toriyama provided major bullet points and toyotarou makes up the rest.

If they're major, why are you downplaying his involvement?

Because he's not involved. He does 0 work on the show or manga. He gives feedback to Toyotarou as a favor.
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St0rmFury
03/25/18 1:20:57 AM
#81:


Never thought I will see Goku & Frieza fighting alongside together.
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Unsugarized_Foo
03/25/18 2:17:14 AM
#82:


Atleast the multiverse will make for some good video game story material
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Emerald_Wyvern
03/25/18 3:10:17 AM
#83:


Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
GT ending also kind of gave Goku a legend ending by going off with the dragon to his universe rather than staying with his family.

GT's ending was fantastic. People can pick apart the rest of it, but its ending was absolutely perfect.
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Prestoff
03/25/18 3:12:43 AM
#84:


So the tournament was pointless? Well I guess it's just as pointless as this sequel...
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BatmanWTtP
03/25/18 3:17:06 AM
#85:


Prestoff posted...
So the tournament was pointless? Well I guess it's just as pointless as this sequel...

No, the tournament was to decide if every universe got erased or if mortals could evolve past their limits. The Grand Priest literally states this at the end.
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EternalDivide
03/25/18 3:29:32 AM
#86:


So at the end of all this it's only function was essentially to be a Frieze resurrection/redemption arc.
Ooooookay.
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BatmanWTtP
03/25/18 3:34:36 AM
#87:


EternalDivide posted...
So at the end of all this it's only function was essentially to be a Frieze resurrection/redemption arc.
Ooooookay.

It brought 17 back to relevance, caught Piccolo, Gohan, and 18 up to a decent level. Gave us more universes to mess around with, and gave Goku and Vegeta new powers.
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Nazanir
03/25/18 4:11:09 AM
#88:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Akagami_Shanks posted...
from reddit:
"He(Grand Priest) was saying that Zeno (may have) predicted that the victor would wish for all the other universes to be wished back. Zeno priorly decided that that was the only wish that'd be allowed to be granted, and had the victor wished for something 'selfish, 'Zeno would have wiped out the last universe as well."

So the whole fucking tournament was completely pointless. Fantastic.

I always assumed that all universes would be restored, it was kind of obvious from the start.
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shokan_warrior
03/25/18 6:15:22 AM
#89:


Doesnt vegeta have the higher level ssj level and goku only has UI which any being can use its just super hard to reach
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mehmeh1
03/25/18 3:47:42 PM
#90:


shokan_warrior posted...
Doesnt vegeta have the higher level ssj level and goku only has UI which any being can use its just super hard to reach

goku has ssjbkk, so they're around even
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_Near_
03/25/18 5:15:36 PM
#91:


can we all just appreciate that Dr. Gero saved the universe
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Cosmic_Diabetic
03/25/18 5:17:58 PM
#92:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Cosmic_Diabetic posted...
Dragonball AF with SSJ 5

AF literally stands for April Fool's. DB AF isn't something that exists.


Yes but the guy who made that story ended up being hired to work on the DBS manga. And considering GT isn't canon I consider AF as legitimate as GT even though it never was actually finished by that guy.
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EnragedSlith
03/25/18 5:20:46 PM
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Banjo2553
03/25/18 5:27:38 PM
#94:


EnragedSlith posted...
Freiza is the new piccolo confirmed

I really hope not. According to subs he says "just because I'm resurrected doesn't mean I'm gonna stop being evil." We need to have at least one character who stays evil instead of becoming Goku's buddy.
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pikachupwnage
03/25/18 5:29:45 PM
#95:


_Near_ posted...
can we all just appreciate that Dr. Gero saved the universe


I kinda wish we had a little scene with him flipping his shit in hell lol.
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MarbyIsBack
03/25/18 5:31:10 PM
#96:


_Near_ posted...
can we all just appreciate that Dr. Gero saved the universe

...holy shit you're right.
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Muflaggin
03/25/18 5:52:10 PM
#97:


Banjo2553 posted...
EnragedSlith posted...
Freiza is the new piccolo confirmed

I really hope not. According to subs he says "just because I'm resurrected doesn't mean I'm gonna stop being evil." We need to have at least one character who stays evil instead of becoming Goku's buddy.

Freeza is well worn territory. He needs a change or to get the fuck out. Cell can come back and fill the evil quota (the superior villain anyways).
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shokan_warrior
03/25/18 5:56:07 PM
#98:


mehmeh1 posted...
shokan_warrior posted...
Doesnt vegeta have the higher level ssj level and goku only has UI which any being can use its just super hard to reach

goku has ssjbkk, so they're around even

kk is not a ssj ability

vegeta has another level while goku just has ssb that he can power up with kaio ken, right?
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