Current Events > It's a woman's body and she can do what she wants.

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There's plenty of times where the government tells me I can't do what I want with my body. I can't do heroine and need prescriptions for drugs.

Hell half the time people make this argument and oppose legal prostitution.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

There's plenty of times where the government tells me I can't do what I want with my body. I can't do heroine and need prescriptions for drugs.

Hell half the time people make this argument and oppose legal prostitution.

proof? and many people that are pro choice support decriminalization of drugs
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That's nice.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

I can't do heroine and need prescriptions for drugs.

That's a shitty analogy.

This is more akin to the government telling you you can't poop.
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andel posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

There's plenty of times where the government tells me I can't do what I want with my body. I can't do heroine and need prescriptions for drugs.

Hell half the time people make this argument and oppose legal prostitution.

proof? and many people that are pro choice support decriminalization of drugs

OK I don't have statistics on it. Almost everyone I know is pro choice but most aren't pro legal prostitution.

Just seems hypocritical.
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andel posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

There's plenty of times where the government tells me I can't do what I want with my body. I can't do heroine and need prescriptions for drugs.

Hell half the time people make this argument and oppose legal prostitution.

proof? and many people that are pro choice support decriminalization of drugs

Proof: that bundle off straw that's looking at him real funny
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JustMonika posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

I can't do heroine and need prescriptions for drugs.

That's a shitty analogy.

This is more akin to the government telling you you can't poop.

If its my body I should be able to put whatever I want into it.
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Also I should be able to kill myself for damn sure.
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The flaw is there's another body involved.

And if it's okay to kill a fetus because it's dependent on the mom to survive then it's also okay to kill it once it's born.
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MakoReizei posted...

The flaw is there's another body involved.

And if it's okay to kill a fetus because it's dependent on the mom to survive then it's also okay to kill it once it's born.

lol

Someone else can take care of it once it's born. Nobody but the woman can care for it while it's in her body.

Try again sometime.

_Rinku_ posted...

MakoReizei posted...

The flaw is there's another body involved.

And if it's okay to kill a fetus because it's dependent on the mom to survive then it's also okay to kill it once it's born.

lol

Someone else can take care of it once it's born. Nobody but the woman can care for it while it's in her body.

Try again sometime.

Million dollar idea. A new job where pro lifers have embryos transplanted into their wombs. I can dig it.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Also I should be able to kill myself for damn sure.

I support right-to-die legislation, personally. It should involve significant psychological evaluation, of course, but it's cruel to force someone to live with a terminal illness.

CM_Ponch posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Also I should be able to kill myself for damn sure.

No one is stopping you

They are. They throw people in psych wards for that shit and they don't allow the terminally ill to peacefully pass if they wish.
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But the real question is; Can I do what I want with it?
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CM_Ponch posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Also I should be able to kill myself for damn sure.

No one is stopping you

They are. They throw people in psych wards for that shit and they don't allow the terminally ill to peacefully pass if they wish.

I guarantee that if you tried to kill yourself right now that no one would stop you. Prove me wrong or find a better argument.

Im at work in a psych facility right now. That would probably just end with me in a stay here with these guys.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

CM_Ponch posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Also I should be able to kill myself for damn sure.

No one is stopping you

They are. They throw people in psych wards for that shit and they don't allow the terminally ill to peacefully pass if they wish.

I guarantee that if you tried to kill yourself right now that no one would stop you. Prove me wrong or find a better argument.

Im at work in a psych facility right now. That would probably just end with me in a stay here with these guys.

If you can't backup your arguments don't use them
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If I had a woman's body, I'd fondle my boobs all day >_>
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Its always amusing to see the my body my choice crowd push for federal funding of abortions. My body your wallet doesnt sound like what a strong, independent woman would say.
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tennisdude818 posted...

Its always amusing to see the my body my choice crowd push for federal funding of abortions. My body your wallet doesnt sound like what a strong, independent woman would say.

It's a medical procedure. The government should fund healthcare.

_Rinku_ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Its always amusing to see the my body my choice crowd push for federal funding of abortions. My body your wallet doesnt sound like what a strong, independent woman would say.

It's a medical procedure. The government should fund healthcare.

So is a boob job. Not that I accept your premise that the government should fund healthcare.
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tennisdude818 posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Its always amusing to see the my body my choice crowd push for federal funding of abortions. My body your wallet doesnt sound like what a strong, independent woman would say.

It's a medical procedure. The government should fund healthcare.

So is a boob job. Not that I accept your premise that the government should fund healthcare.

Good job there comparing a cosmetic procedure to something that can be lifesaving. Not that there's any use in discussing things with someone who doesn't believe that healthcare is a right (and must be government funded to be so).

_Rinku_ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Its always amusing to see the my body my choice crowd push for federal funding of abortions. My body your wallet doesnt sound like what a strong, independent woman would say.

It's a medical procedure. The government should fund healthcare.

So is a boob job. Not that I accept your premise that the government should fund healthcare.

Good job there comparing a cosmetic procedure to something that can be lifesaving. Not that there's any use in discussing things with someone who doesn't believe that healthcare is a right (and must be government funded to be so).

Just for the sake of argument, Ill go ahead and give you the rare cases involving rape and/or life threatening complications.
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Doing drugs isnt illegal. Possessing them is.
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Difference between heroin and abortion is that abortion taking out somethings that infringing on your body and taking your nutrients and physical ability while heroin is putting something in that is very dangerous to not just the person consuming it. Having the substance itself is illegal. Not the act of injecting it.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

andel posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

There's plenty of times where the government tells me I can't do what I want with my body. I can't do heroine and need prescriptions for drugs.

Hell half the time people make this argument and oppose legal prostitution.

proof? and many people that are pro choice support decriminalization of drugs

OK I don't have statistics on it. Almost everyone I know is pro choice but most aren't pro legal prostitution.

Just seems hypocritical.

prostitution is nationally legal, state laws are against it.
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GiftedACIII posted...

Difference between heroin and abortion is that abortion taking out somethings that infringing on your body and taking your nutrients and physical ability while heroin is putting something in that is very dangerous to not just the person consuming it. Having the substance itself is illegal. Not the act of injecting it.

I love how you just vaulted over the decisions that had to be made in order for that person to exist inside the woman in the first place. The woman put the baby there, not the other way around (unless rape was involved).
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She can do whatever she wants so long as she doesnt harm another human
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shockthemonkey posted...

People have the right to not have an unwanted thing growing inside them

I dont see why its more complicated than that

Its more complicated than that because the context completely changes if its considered a human. The baby didnt put him/herself in the womb, the parents did.
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tennisdude818 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Difference between heroin and abortion is that abortion taking out somethings that infringing on your body and taking your nutrients and physical ability while heroin is putting something in that is very dangerous to not just the person consuming it. Having the substance itself is illegal. Not the act of injecting it.

I love how you just vaulted over the decisions that had to be made in order for that person to exist inside the woman in the first place. The woman put the baby there, not the other way around (unless rape was involved).

Drunk drivers are not required to donate their organs or blood to the people they've crashed into. And if it really was a child being raped isn't an excuse to snuff out another child's life. Good thing it isn't.
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Asherlee10 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Difference between heroin and abortion is that abortion taking out somethings that infringing on your body and taking your nutrients and physical ability while heroin is putting something in that is very dangerous to not just the person consuming it. Having the substance itself is illegal. Not the act of injecting it.

I love how you just vaulted over the decisions that had to be made in order for that person to exist inside the woman in the first place. The woman put the baby there, not the other way around (unless rape was involved).

I want to make sure I understand what you are conveying. Are you saying that abortion should not be afforded to those who decided to get pregnant?

It doesnt matter if they tried to get pregnant. The only instances I excluded in my post were those involving rape.
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CM_Ponch posted...

That's nice.

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GiftedACIII posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Difference between heroin and abortion is that abortion taking out somethings that infringing on your body and taking your nutrients and physical ability while heroin is putting something in that is very dangerous to not just the person consuming it. Having the substance itself is illegal. Not the act of injecting it.

I love how you just vaulted over the decisions that had to be made in order for that person to exist inside the woman in the first place. The woman put the baby there, not the other way around (unless rape was involved).

Drunk drivers are not required to donate their organs or blood to the people they've crashed into. And if it really was a child being raped isn't an excuse to snuff out another child's life. Good thing it isn't.

Drunk drivers are prosecuted. I basically hand over the rape scenario for the sake of argument because otherwise the entire discussion revolves around an extremely rare case.
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Actually, no it's not.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7:1-7&version=NIV&interface=amp
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Asherlee10 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Difference between heroin and abortion is that abortion taking out somethings that infringing on your body and taking your nutrients and physical ability while heroin is putting something in that is very dangerous to not just the person consuming it. Having the substance itself is illegal. Not the act of injecting it.

I love how you just vaulted over the decisions that had to be made in order for that person to exist inside the woman in the first place. The woman put the baby there, not the other way around (unless rape was involved).

I want to make sure I understand what you are conveying. Are you saying that abortion should not be afforded to those who decided to get pregnant?

It doesnt matter if they tried to get pregnant. The only instances I excluded in my post were those involving rape.

So, you're saying that only rape victims should be afforded abortion options?

I am referencing your argument that the baby is infringing on the womans rights. If her decisions led to the baby being there, this isnt like a scenario where a squatter hides in your attic and eats your food. If she was raped, then her decisions didnt lead to the baby being there.
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tennisdude818 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

GiftedACIII posted...

Difference between heroin and abortion is that abortion taking out somethings that infringing on your body and taking your nutrients and physical ability while heroin is putting something in that is very dangerous to not just the person consuming it. Having the substance itself is illegal. Not the act of injecting it.

I love how you just vaulted over the decisions that had to be made in order for that person to exist inside the woman in the first place. The woman put the baby there, not the other way around (unless rape was involved).

Drunk drivers are not required to donate their organs or blood to the people they've crashed into. And if it really was a child being raped isn't an excuse to snuff out another child's life. Good thing it isn't.

Drunk drivers are prosecuted. I basically hand over the rape scenario for the sake of argument because otherwise the entire discussion revolves around an extremely rare case.

Yeah, but they're not forced to give up their organs even if the victims would die because of it. It doesn't matter if it's a human in your body. You still have the right to it and the only people who don't think so are backwards and uncivilized idiots.
And no, it's a valid point to bring up. If you were consistent with the "it's a child" argument you'd say a 12 year old getting raped would still need to keep it because just because a kid is raped doesn't mean another kid has to die. But you don't because you realize just how garbage of a human being that makes you look.
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"She can do what she wants to her own body even if that includes killing the life in her.

But she cant have a gun to protect her body. Nope." -liberal left

You know where you can get abortions under 21 but God forbid you own a gun for self defense
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Asherlee10 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

People have the right to not have an unwanted thing growing inside them

I dont see why its more complicated than that

Its more complicated than that because the context completely changes if its considered a human. The baby didnt put him/herself in the womb, the parents did.

Human isn't the qualifier. Zygotes are still human. Fetuses are still human. The species doesn't change during development in the womb.

Things like personhood and viability are qualifiers. We assign rights (like to the mother) based on personhood. A fetus doesn't have personhood for 100% of the development process in the womb.

So, no, it is not really much more complicated than what shockthemonkey said.

Im pro life, so that doesnt really bother me. The fetus is a distinct person, but relies on the mother for survival. Thats true for a 1 week old as well, just to a different degree.
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shockthemonkey posted...

DevsBro posted...

Actually, no it's not.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7:1-7&version=NIV&interface=amp

Yikes

And yet that was also saying that the man doesn't have a right to his own body either in regards to relationships. So basically, decisions should be made as a couple through discussions rather than making your own choices.
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Guys please stop. This was not supposed to be an argument. I'm not even against abortion being legal. Illegal abortions lead to back ally abortions, unwanted children, increased poverty among other things.

I just really hate the her body her choice justification when the government tells us what we can do with our bodies all the time and It often accompanies hypocritical beliefs.
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