Current Events > Liberals: Do you believe Trump will be impeached for any wrong doing?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Whether its for Russian collusion or some other scandal
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Impeached? Possibly. Removed from office? Probably not.
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No
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I think I speak for everyone when I say Trump should be president for life
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the democrats would have to control at least 2/3rds of the senate and a majority in the house, assuming no republicans would be willing to assist in supporting an impeachment.

i think that would be wildly improbable but not impossible.
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Hahahaha no. Emperor Trump reigns supreme til 2024
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If republicans keep losing seats in the house it will happen.
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I doubt it'll ever happen. Wouldn't mind if it did though :P
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Kombucha posted...

the democrats would have to control at least 2/3rds of the senate and a majority in the house, assuming no republicans would be willing to assist in supporting an impeachment.

i think that would be wildly improbable but not impossible.

Yeah. I don't even think the 2018 blue wave could bring that about.
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No and I don't want him to be. I prefer stupid chaotic evil over smarter lawful evil.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Kombucha posted...

the democrats would have to control at least 2/3rds of the senate and a majority in the house, assuming no republicans would be willing to assist in supporting an impeachment.

i think that would be wildly improbable but not impossible.

Yeah. I don't even think the 2018 blue wave could bring that about.

yeah i mean, the house could technically impeach, but i would put money on the senate throwing it out like they did with bill clinton. it's really difficult to imagine any party controlling 2/3rds of the senate.
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So if yall dont think hell be impeached, you also think he wont be found guilty for any wrong doing regarding Russia or other scandals right?
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creativerealms posted...

No and I don't want him to be. I prefer stupid chaotic evil over smarter lawful evil.

I too secretly love how well he's doing but am afraid to admit it.
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Impeachment doesn't mean he will be fired from the position of President.

All impeachment does is give the President a slap on the wrist. Congress goes, "You've done something bad Mr. President. Don't do it again."

Bill Clinton was impeached for the Monica Lewinsky scandal. He was not fired as President or demoted or anything.
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Uncle Choad posted...

creativerealms posted...

No and I don't want him to be. I prefer stupid chaotic evil over smarter lawful evil.

I too secretly love how well he's doing but am afraid to admit it.

What? No I think Pence is worse, simple as that.
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He has to break the law first. And pissing off liberals is not against the law.
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r4X0r posted...

He has to break the law first. And pissing off liberals is not against the law.

And neither is incompetence.
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creativerealms posted...

r4X0r posted...

He has to break the law first. And pissing off liberals is not against the law.

And neither is incompetence.

LOL incompetence? The economy is up, job growth is up, the stock market is up, take home income is up, work force participation is up, minority employment is at record levels.

error 404: incompetence not found
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r4X0r posted...

creativerealms posted...

r4X0r posted...

He has to break the law first. And pissing off liberals is not against the law.

And neither is incompetence.

LOL incompetence? The economy is up, job growth is up, the stock market is up, take home income is up, work force participation is up, minority employment is at record levels.

error 404: incompetence not found

Which the president has nothing to do with ether. That isn't the president's job.
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r4X0r posted...

creativerealms posted...

r4X0r posted...

He has to break the law first. And pissing off liberals is not against the law.

And neither is incompetence.

LOL incompetence? The economy is up, job growth is up, the stock market is up, take home income is up, work force participation is up, minority employment is at record levels.

error 404: incompetence not found

But dude, there are a handful of people that reportedly may have a worse life because of an unknown policy change, according to sources. This is literally moving backward.
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I'm a true liberal and no.
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At worst he wont be re-elected.
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I seriously doubt it would happen, I would like to see it happen but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Uncle Choad posted...

r4X0r posted...

creativerealms posted...

r4X0r posted...

He has to break the law first. And pissing off liberals is not against the law.

And neither is incompetence.

LOL incompetence? The economy is up, job growth is up, the stock market is up, take home income is up, work force participation is up, minority employment is at record levels.

error 404: incompetence not found

But dude, there are a handful of people that reportedly may have a worse life because of an unknown policy change, according to sources. This is literally moving backward.

LOL.

What does the president have to do with the economy? With job growth? With the stock market? He's suppose to run the country keep everything together. The economy isn't part of the president's job and never was.

That is WHY he's incompetent he and his followers don't even know what his job is and thinks it has to do wih the US economy. It doesn't.
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Dems are going to need a staggering supermajority.

Won't happen otherwise.
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Nah, he'll resign first.
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There are too many variables at play. Will Trump fire Mueller before the election? Will enough Republicans care? Maybe, and probably not.

I think the safest bet is that Democrats will win the House in a big wave election and they'll impeach. What happens in the Senate depends on whether Mueller is still around and whether he's submitted his report.
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creativerealms posted...

Uncle Choad posted...

r4X0r posted...

creativerealms posted...

r4X0r posted...

He has to break the law first. And pissing off liberals is not against the law.

And neither is incompetence.

LOL incompetence? The economy is up, job growth is up, the stock market is up, take home income is up, work force participation is up, minority employment is at record levels.

error 404: incompetence not found

But dude, there are a handful of people that reportedly may have a worse life because of an unknown policy change, according to sources. This is literally moving backward.

LOL.

What does the president have to do with the economy? With job growth? With the stock market? He's suppose to run the country keep everything together. The economy isn't part of the president's job and never was.

That is WHY he's incompetent he and his followers don't even know what his job is and thinks it has to do wih the US economy. It doesn't.

You heard it here first folks, the President has nothing to do with the economy or even a part of his job description. I seriously dont know if these people can actually hear themselves...
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I mean, the President has a ton to do with the economy but the problem is no one ever attempts to make an empirical argument when talking about it. Close to 100% of the claims I read about President X or Y having some effect on the economy are completely hollow.
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Polycosm posted...

I mean, the President has a ton to do with the economy but the problem is no one ever attempts to make an empirical argument when talking about it. Close to 100% of the claims I read about President X or Y having some effect on the economy are completely hollow.

Right. Those Tariffs he just passed on steel and solar panels have no effect on the economy. Nothing positive or negative. Just nothing at all. None. Like there was no reason to even do that.
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Polycosm posted...

I mean, the President has a ton to do with the economy but the problem is no one ever attempts to make an empirical argument when talking about it. Close to 100% of the claims I read about President X or Y having some effect on the economy are completely hollow.

This is true, but what @creativerealms basically said was that the economy isnt even a part of the presidents job description. Im of the belief saner minds would find that claim to be absurd and idiotic
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Polycosm posted...

I mean, the President has a ton to do with the economy but the problem is no one ever attempts to make an empirical argument when talking about it. Close to 100% of the claims I read about President X or Y having some effect on the economy are completely hollow.

Right. Those Tariffs he just passed on steel and solar panels have no effect on the economy. Nothing positive or negative. Just nothing at all. None. Like there was no reason to even do that.

I think you misinterpreted his post
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Kazi1212 posted...

I hunk you misinterpreted his post

Sure, mind telling me how I should interpret this part here:

Polycosm posted...

Close to 100% of the claims I read about President X or Y having some effect on the economy are completely hollow.

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No. Theres literally zero evidence linking Trump to anything, and all the people arrested so far have been arrested because WHY DO YOU HAVE BUSINESS TIES TO RUSSIA WHEN THE AMERICAN ECONOMY DEPENDS ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
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a42ozslushie posted...

No. Theres literally zero evidence linking Trump to anything, and all the people arrested so far have been arrested because WHY DO YOU HAVE BUSINESS TIES TO RUSSIA WHEN THE AMERICAN ECONOMY DEPENDS ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS

oh shit we love globalists now
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

I hunk you misinterpreted his post

Sure, mind telling me how I should interpret this part here:

Polycosm posted...

Close to 100% of the claims I read about President X or Y having some effect on the economy are completely hollow.

That there isnt a clear empirical criteria or methodology for figuring out what % of all things related to economy a president is responsible for, hence all those claims are hollow. Thats not to say the president doesnt have an enormous effect, but you cant have a clear empirical breakdown, thats how I interpreted it at least
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Polycosm posted...

I mean, the President has a ton to do with the economy but the problem is no one ever attempts to make an empirical argument when talking about it. Close to 100% of the claims I read about President X or Y having some effect on the economy are completely hollow.

Right. Those Tariffs he just passed on steel and solar panels have no effect on the economy. Nothing positive or negative. Just nothing at all. None. Like there was no reason to even do that.

Fuck me, those are actually good examples with a ton of supporting data just a google search away.

Really what I'm talking about are all the people who try to credit / blame presidents for daily fluctuations in the stock market, and who don't cite policy.
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Kazi1212 posted...

That there isnt a clear empirical criteria or methodology for figuring out what % of all things related to economy a president is responsible for, hence all those claims are hollow. Thats not to say the president doesnt have an enormous effect, but you cant have a clear empirical breakdown, thats how I interpreted it at least

So you're saying because I cannot accurately attribute an extremely specific amount of economic growth or shrinkage to the president or his policies, nearly all claims that he's affecting the economy are hollow?
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If the Dems take control of the House I'd say that it is likely we get Articles of Impeachment. For him to actually get impeached there would need to be a smoking gun to turn enough Reps in the Senate.

Polycosm posted...

Really what I'm talking about are all the people who try to credit / blame presidents for daily fluctuations in the stock market, and who don't cite policy.

the average person knows fuck all about investing and I wouldn't consider what people say about stocks with significant weight. Stocks almost always bounce back. If they don't, it is typically because of larger economic troubles affecting that company specifically and not the entire industry and generally ends with the bankruptcy of that company. It's extremely easy to tell when stocks are fucked vs "oh shit some acronym that I don't know the meaning of is down an amount of points that I cannot tell you the significance of"
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The dude admitted to obstruction of justice on twitter and nothing happened to him. He won't get impeached or removed.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

That there isnt a clear empirical criteria or methodology for figuring out what % of all things related to economy a president is responsible for, hence all those claims are hollow. Thats not to say the president doesnt have an enormous effect, but you cant have a clear empirical breakdown, thats how I interpreted it at least

So you're saying because I cannot accurately attribute an extremely specific amount of economic growth or shrinkage to the president or his policies, nearly all claims that he's affecting the economy are hollow?

If youre in everyday ordinary type conversation, not so hollow. If youre trying to make specific points in an argument, then its certainly hollow by argumentative standards. Not that anyone follows argumentative standards of evidence here, but they claim things as if they do
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BlueJester007 posted...

Impeachment doesn't mean he will be fired from the position of President.

All impeachment does is give the President a slap on the wrist. Congress goes, "You've done something bad Mr. President. Don't do it again."

Bill Clinton was impeached for the Monica Lewinsky scandal. He was not fired as President or demoted or anything.

It's not really the same as e.g. a censure, which I think you're trying to make it out to be.
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At this point, I'm mostly confident that Trump is bound to be the subject of at least an ATTEMPTED impeachment, but whether it's actually because it's something he did or just because of the bias from his unprecedented unpopularity for a U.S. president, is up in the air.
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darkbuster posted...

At this point, I'm mostly confident that Trump is bound to be the subject of at least an ATTEMPTED impeachment, but whether it's actually because it's something he did or just because of the bias from his unprecedented unpopularity for a U.S. president, is up in the air.

"We don't like him" is not valid grounds for impeachment.

He must commit some type of "high crime or treason"

that's why the Russia thing is so important. It's a fucking express lane to get him out if they can prove it to congress. Maybe the reason Mueller hasn't fucking turned up anything is because he's just stalling and waiting for congress to have a democratic majority.

Because even if he's committed treason you still can't impeach him without a vote. See: Andrew Jackson.
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Ray-Ray posted...

I think I speak for everyone when I say Trump should be president for life

Hi, just confirming if you're being legit so I know if I need to put you on ignore...
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r4X0r posted...

creativerealms posted...

r4X0r posted...

He has to break the law first. And pissing off liberals is not against the law.

And neither is incompetence.

LOL incompetence? The economy is up, job growth is up, the stock market is up, take home income is up, work force participation is up, minority employment is at record levels.

error 404: incompetence not found

Dude, thats Obamas doing. Up until the stock market took a nose dive back in February, that was Trumps doing, but now that its back up again thats Obamas economy again.
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They all think he will. Simply not being the candidate they chose seems to be reason enough for them to think he will be removed
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The economy is basically a small group of wealthy people that decide how much shit should be worth. These rich assholes are on both side of the political spectrum, which is basically self imposed by them to create a diversion from the fact they rule every aspect of your life.

Probably not, but I think he would if he fired Mueller or if Mueller finishes his investigation and theres some damning evidence of something released.
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