Current Events > It is insane that medical practice was to literally hammer an ice pick into eyes

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like wtf!?!?

This is one of the more messed up things in history imo.

Literally a doctor took an ice pick out of his kitchen at his HOUSE and hammered it into the brain of a patient through the eyes and this became a commonly accepted and encouraged practice.

That is just inconceivable to me. Truly baffling. That "doctor" should have been executed imo.
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Diabetes used to be diagnosed by tasting someone's piss to see if it was sweet.
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Look up the old way amputations were done. Before anaesthetic.

Then never sleep again.
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Ya there's other worse practices. We use to crack open a portion of the skull to release the demons that were possessing people.

That said Lobotomies are one of the greatest shame of the modern world IMO.
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They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.
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Funbazooka posted...

They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.

Shut the fuck up.
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Funbazooka posted...

They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.

Circumcision definitely. SRS probably only because we'll invent something better in the future such as actual organ regeneration from stem cells or something.
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DK9292 posted...

Look up the old way amputations were done. Before anaesthetic.

Then never sleep again.

How about you just tell us
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The inventor of the lobotomy won a Nobel prize.
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solosnake posted...

like wtf!?!?

This is one of the more messed up things in history imo.

Literally a doctor took an ice pick out of his kitchen at his HOUSE and hammered it into the brain of a patient through the eyes and this became a commonly accepted and encouraged practice.

That is just inconceivable to me. Truly baffling. That "doctor" should have been executed imo.

i'm confused

what exactly was this practice for
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Up to 40% of Freeman's patients were gay individuals subjected to a lobotomy in order to change their homosexual orientation, leaving most of these perfectly healthy individuals severely disabled for the rest of their life
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AlephZero posted...

The inventor of the lobotomy won a Nobel prize.

These days lobotomies are basically considered unhelpful in all cases unless an extremely specific issue requires it such as a brain tumor or brain trauma so severe it needs to be cut out. I'll never understand why anyone ever thought cutting out chunks of brain makes people have less mental issues.
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Choco posted...

i'm confused

what exactly was this practice for

you would destroy part of the brain and it would leave people with the mental function of a young child

the reason for that was to "fix" people who were "defective". Usually mentally handicapped children or "deviant" adults. Also was used to "calm" violent asylum patients or inmates.
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Also a reminder that a forced lobotomy turned one of the Kennedys from a normal if somewhat rebellious woman into a person who required constant care for the rest of her life. After the lobotomy she was ostracized by much of her family.
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

Funbazooka posted...

They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.

Shut the fuck up.

Be nice.

I don't say that with certainty, just as a possibility. Two invasive examples that have some controversy behind them. Lobotomies were controversial as well even when they were being done.
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Funbazooka posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

Funbazooka posted...

They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.

Shut the fuck up.

Be nice.

I don't say that with certainty, just as a possibility. Two invasive examples that have some controversy behind them. Lobotomies were controversial as well even when they were being done.

They were also preformed quite liberally.
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brotrrwinner posted...

DK9292 posted...

Look up the old way amputations were done. Before anaesthetic.

Then never sleep again.

How about you just tell us

Well, I wanted to spare people the details that didn't want to hear, buuuuuuut... okay.

Basically, they would tie a cord around the body part that needed to be amputated to cut off circulation, then essentially peel off the skin and flesh until only the bone was left. They would bandage the area of the body that had to be kept, then saw through the bone until the part came off and then finish dressing the wound. And like I said, before anaesthetic. So the patient is conscious the entire time.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

Funbazooka posted...

They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.

Shut the fuck up.

Be nice.

I don't say that with certainty, just as a possibility. Two invasive examples that have some controversy behind them. Lobotomies were controversial as well even when they were being done.

They were also preformed quite liberally.

gat damn liberals
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DK9292 posted...

y would tie a cord around the body part that needed to be amputated to cut off circulation, then essentially peel off the skin and flesh until only the bone was left. They would bandage the area of the body that had to be kept, then saw through the bone until the part came off and then finish dressing the wound. And like I said, before anaesthetic. So the patient is conscious the entire time.

well, yeah that would be terrible, but it had a legitmate functional purpose. It saved lives
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DrizztLink posted...

Diabetes used to be diagnosed by tasting someone's piss to see if it was sweet.

That's still a useful diagnostic criteria, though.

Funbazooka posted...

They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.

Imagine comparing a fucking lobotomy to circumcision.
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Tupacrulez posted...

Funbazooka posted...

They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.

Imagine comparing a fucking lobotomy to circumcision.

Dude there was nothing unreasonable about what I said. The point I was making wasn't focused on a comparison between the two. The comparison only goes so far. It's not as if I'm on some crusade here.
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Funbazooka posted...

Tupacrulez posted...

Funbazooka posted...

They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.

Imagine comparing a fucking lobotomy to circumcision.

Dude there was nothing unreasonable about what I said. The point I was making wasn't focused on a comparison between the two. The comparison only goes so far. It's not as if I'm on some crusade here.

*snip*
Done.

Vs

*smash*
K, well, you're fucked for life, on your way.
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solosnake posted...

DK9292 posted...

y would tie a cord around the body part that needed to be amputated to cut off circulation, then essentially peel off the skin and flesh until only the bone was left. They would bandage the area of the body that had to be kept, then saw through the bone until the part came off and then finish dressing the wound. And like I said, before anaesthetic. So the patient is conscious the entire time.

well, yeah that would be terrible, but it had a legitmate functional purpose. It saved lives

I fail to see how that changes the fact it was horrifying.
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Now we actually try helping people with mental issues, at least far better than we did.
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DK9292 posted...

solosnake posted...

DK9292 posted...

y would tie a cord around the body part that needed to be amputated to cut off circulation, then essentially peel off the skin and flesh until only the bone was left. They would bandage the area of the body that had to be kept, then saw through the bone until the part came off and then finish dressing the wound. And like I said, before anaesthetic. So the patient is conscious the entire time.

well, yeah that would be terrible, but it had a legitmate functional purpose. It saved lives

I fail to see how that changes the fact it was horrifying.

Less horrifying than letting an infection spread to your heart and kill you.

The lobotomy thing basically was useless.
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DrizztLink posted...

Diabetes used to be diagnosed by tasting someone's piss to see if it was sweet.

oh my gaaaaaawwwd

what the ffffffffffffffff
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Tupacrulez posted...

Funbazooka posted...

Tupacrulez posted...

Funbazooka posted...

They could one day say the same thing about some modern day surgical "treatments". Circumcision and SRS come to mind.

Imagine comparing a fucking lobotomy to circumcision.

Dude there was nothing unreasonable about what I said. The point I was making wasn't focused on a comparison between the two. The comparison only goes so far. It's not as if I'm on some crusade here.

*snip*
Done.

Vs

*smash*
K, well, you're fucked for life, on your way.

we should be sympathetic towards mutilation victims. please just let these people be.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

DK9292 posted...

solosnake posted...

DK9292 posted...

y would tie a cord around the body part that needed to be amputated to cut off circulation, then essentially peel off the skin and flesh until only the bone was left. They would bandage the area of the body that had to be kept, then saw through the bone until the part came off and then finish dressing the wound. And like I said, before anaesthetic. So the patient is conscious the entire time.

well, yeah that would be terrible, but it had a legitmate functional purpose. It saved lives

I fail to see how that changes the fact it was horrifying.

it's a little less horrifying when you consider, like the link i gave earlier talks about, that a good surgeon was able do all of that in only about 30 seconds. so at least it was over pretty quick.

Yeah, I saw it, the one from the Victorian era. And if memory serves, the story I heard came from medieval times.
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Just the thought of that process always makes me shudder. Like I have issues even imagining doing that.
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damn, this ww2 vet came home only to be lobotomized by the VA
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protip:

dont look up video of lobotomy :/
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I went to job corps at a location where lobotomies were performed.

Hell, I stayed in a room where they did them.

Good times. *cackles*
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