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xAzNPimP4LiFex 03/08/18 2:02:51 AM #1:	I know a guy who graduated from LSU amd another guy with a masters degree from UCLA what do they do now? customer service at United Airlines in San Francisco Airport smh.... did they suck bad during their internships or something? --- Pimpin ain't as easy as ya fellas think it is so don't front on me like that SON! <cite>xAzNPimP4LiFex posted [p:897379493] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>I know a guy who graduated from LSU amd another guy with a masters degree from UCLA what do they do now? customer service at United Airlines in San Francisco Airport smh.... did they suck bad during their internships or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreverzero212 03/08/18 2:08:53 AM #2:	Because everyone has a degree. --- lions and panthers oh my <cite>foreverzero212 posted [p:897379662] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Because everyone has a degree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pitlord_Special 03/08/18 2:17:11 AM #3:	xAzNPimP4LiFex posted... San Francisco <cite>Pitlord_Special posted [p:897379911] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>xAzNPimP4LiFex posted...</cite> <quote>San Francisco</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 03/08/18 2:34:07 AM #4:	Maybe they couldn't cut it in their chosen fields. Do you know what position they graduated at, top 5%? --- Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see. - Arthur Schopenhauer. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:897380448] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Maybe they couldn't cut it in their chosen fields. Do you know what position they graduated at, top 5%?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 03/08/18 2:42:56 AM #5:	I dunno about real engineering, but software engineers often work helpdesk at first due to lack of real world experience --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:897380702] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>I dunno about real engineering, but software engineers often work helpdesk at first due to lack of real world experience</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Touya999 03/08/18 3:45:38 AM #6:	Wasted --- Nintendo switch fc : SW-3862-0989-2485 Smile, Sweet,Sister,Sadistic,Surprise,Service.This is Low /(_) Tier (/_\)God <(_)> <cite>Touya999 posted [p:897382131] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Wasted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cavalierking 03/08/18 4:41:39 AM #7:	yeah, a former coworker of mine at a japanese dollar store (we were both cashiers there) had a master's in biomedical engineering or something like that --- live and let live <cite>cavalierking posted [p:897383148] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>yeah, a former coworker of mine at a japanese dollar store (we were both cashiers there) had a master's in biomedical engineering or something like that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
8-bit_Biceps 03/08/18 5:15:30 AM #8:	I work at a dollar store and have a neurosci bs. There's like nothing for me. Can't even get a clerical job at a hospital cuz 'that's for FEEEEMALESS right? Lol I know some chick who was just working at Meijers who got a job though...no college experience. Just cuz she's some hot, novel redhead she gets the job. Of course! I didn't apply for that job too, but I have applied for others and I know I won't be contacted. I'm basically **ed. It's sad that things can't transfer or that there aren't tests or exams one can take to try their hand in another field that doesn't require as much responsibility (e.g. a medical doctor). Like, I have a triple major. And I've been posting on GameFAQs and other places for like 17 years. I'm a pretty good writer, especially when I try. What if I want to write for a magazine? They won't give a damn....not that I've tried. But seriously though...what if I wanted to write for a TV show even. Can I just propose a script or anything? Will they care? Hm...maybe I should look into this. <cite>8-bit_Biceps posted [p:897383772] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>I work at a dollar store and have a neurosci bs. There's like nothing for me. Can't even get a clerical job at a hospital cuz 'that's for FEEEEMALESS right? Lol I know some chick who was just working at Meijers who got a job though...no college experience. Just cuz she's some hot, novel redhead she gets the job. Of course! I didn't apply for that job too, but I have applied for others and I know I won't be contacted. I'm basically **ed. It's sad that things can't transfer or that there aren't tests or exams one can take to try their hand in another field that doesn't require as much responsibility (e.g. a medical doctor). Like, I have a triple major. And I've been posting on GameFAQs and other places for like 17 years. I'm a pretty good writer, especially when I try. What if I want to write for a magazine? They won't give a damn....not that I've tried. But seriously though...what if I wanted to write for a TV show even. Can I just propose a script or anything? Will they care? Hm...maybe I should look into this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 03/08/18 5:26:58 AM #9:	I have degrees in History and Journalism, and I can't find work. Job markets fluctuate. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:897383980] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>I have degrees in History and Journalism, and I can't find work. Job markets fluctuate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/08/18 7:21:20 AM #10:	Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897386199] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/08/18 7:25:27 AM #11:	Demand matters. Location matters. Networking matters. I don't know who told you breaking into the job market was easy if all you've satisfied is "got a degree", but there's a lot more to it, and of course, if you're never taught these things, you're at a serious disadvantage when you get out the door. Oh also being a proper human being might help as well. I know a guy who's still working at customer service in a supermarket despite having an engineering degree and the reason is because he's a shit-tier person who can't pass an interview in a professional setting. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:897386279] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Demand matters. Location matters. Networking matters. I don't know who told you breaking into the job market was easy if all you've satisfied is "got a degree", but there's a lot more to it, and of course, if you're never taught these things, you're at a serious disadvantage when you get out the door. Oh also being a proper human being might help as well. I know a guy who's still working at customer service in a supermarket despite having an engineering degree and the reason is because he's a shit-tier person who can't pass an interview in a professional setting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 03/08/18 7:28:51 AM #12:	Pitlord_Special posted... xAzNPimP4LiFex posted... San Francisco --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:897386351] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pitlord_Special posted...</cite> <quote><cite>xAzNPimP4LiFex posted...</cite> <quote>San Francisco</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 03/08/18 7:34:57 AM #13:	They should just be thankful they have a damn job and aren't on r/neet --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:897386471] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>They should just be thankful they have a damn job and aren't on r/neet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 03/08/18 7:35:59 AM #14:	After getting my BSME I had two job offers, a technician position earning 45K I turned down then some bullshit glass company position drawing rectangles in 2D software all day earning $41,600 which I accepted out of desperation (I was actually earning $17.50/hr the first three months too, and they originally offered me $15/hr which I turned down). I'm in a much better place now but I wish somebody told me back in school that the job market is absolutely brutal. <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:897386494] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>After getting my BSME I had two job offers, a technician position earning 45K I turned down then some bullshit glass company position drawing rectangles in 2D software all day earning $41,600 which I accepted out of desperation (I was actually earning $17.50/hr the first three months too, and they originally offered me $15/hr which I turned down). I'm in a much better place now but I wish somebody told me back in school that the job market is absolutely brutal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 03/08/18 7:37:07 AM #15:	clearaflagrantj posted... I'm in a much better place now Drawing 3D rectangles for 60k? --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:897386529] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote> I'm in a much better place now </quote> Drawing 3D rectangles for 60k?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 03/08/18 7:38:24 AM #16:	REMercsChamp posted... clearaflagrantj posted... I'm in a much better place now Drawing 3D rectangles for 60k? $75K for rectangular prisms, yes. <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:897386563] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote> I'm in a much better place now </quote> Drawing 3D rectangles for 60k?</quote> $75K for rectangular prisms, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/08/18 8:34:25 AM #17:	clearaflagrantj posted... $75K for rectangular prisms, yes. Sick. I get 60K for telling people how not to kill themselves at work. :) --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:897388154] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>$75K for rectangular prisms, yes.</quote> Sick. I get 60K for telling people how not to kill themselves at work. :)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
8-bit_Biceps 03/08/18 8:37:37 AM #18:	I feel like I keep making excuses though too. Like idk..maybe I'm just waiting for the perfect job that doesn't exist. I was looking into becoming a teacher and then I decided that I don't think it was for me, because of the public speaking and the overtime grading homework and being underpaid. <cite>8-bit_Biceps posted [p:897388269] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>I feel like I keep making excuses though too. Like idk..maybe I'm just waiting for the perfect job that doesn't exist. I was looking into becoming a teacher and then I decided that I don't think it was for me, because of the public speaking and the overtime grading homework and being underpaid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 03/08/18 9:48:05 AM #19:	CyricZ posted... clearaflagrantj posted... $75K for rectangular prisms, yes. Sick. I get 60K for telling people how not to kill themselves at work. :) At least your job has a genuine purpose that's fulfilling <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:897390848] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>$75K for rectangular prisms, yes.</quote> Sick. I get 60K for telling people how not to kill themselves at work. :)</quote> At least your job has a genuine purpose that's fulfilling</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 03/08/18 9:48:40 AM #20:	8-bit_Biceps posted... I feel like I keep making excuses though too. Like idk..maybe I'm just waiting for the perfect job that doesn't exist. I was looking into becoming a teacher and then I decided that I don't think it was for me, because of the public speaking and the overtime grading homework and being underpaid. Plus it's basically the most oversaturated job in the nation right now <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:897390870] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>8-bit_Biceps posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like I keep making excuses though too. Like idk..maybe I'm just waiting for the perfect job that doesn't exist. I was looking into becoming a teacher and then I decided that I don't think it was for me, because of the public speaking and the overtime grading homework and being underpaid.</quote> Plus it's basically the most oversaturated job in the nation right now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PikachuMaxwell 03/08/18 9:50:00 AM #21:	Competition is fierce, bad interview skills, etc. --- Super Smash Bros. for Wii U mains: http://i.imgur.com/vLFcGb2.png Nintendo Network Name: JohnJohn <cite>PikachuMaxwell posted [p:897390916] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Competition is fierce, bad interview skills, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FightingGames 03/08/18 9:51:29 AM #22:	engineering is actually a meme degree. It only has a ~38% job acceptance immediately after college compared to other degrees --- https://my.mixtape.moe/whapui.webm <cite>FightingGames posted [p:897390968] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>engineering is actually a meme degree. It only has a ~38% job acceptance immediately after college compared to other degrees</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romulox28 03/08/18 9:52:04 AM #23:	in general, the job market is tough and i think a lot of people arent really readily equipped to navigate the ins and outs of job hunting in the modern age upon graduation imo. --- http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gif <cite>Romulox28 posted [p:897390986] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>in general, the job market is tough and i think a lot of people arent really readily equipped to navigate the ins and outs of job hunting in the modern age upon graduation imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xAzNPimP4LiFex 03/08/18 12:24:17 PM #24:	bump --- Pimpin ain't as easy as ya fellas think it is so don't front on me like that SON! <cite>xAzNPimP4LiFex posted [p:897398454] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 03/08/18 12:29:15 PM #25:	clearaflagrantj posted... REMercsChamp posted... clearaflagrantj posted... I'm in a much better place now Drawing 3D rectangles for 60k? $75K for rectangular prisms, yes. 75k for drawing rectangles? Why not just take the money from your salary and flush it down the toilet? --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:897398718] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote> I'm in a much better place now </quote> Drawing 3D rectangles for 60k?</quote> $75K for rectangular prisms, yes.</quote> 75k for drawing rectangles? Why not just take the money from your salary and flush it down the toilet?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 03/08/18 12:31:36 PM #26:	i hit 'go' on simulations for 120k --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:897398848] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>i hit 'go' on simulations for 120k</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 03/08/18 12:34:56 PM #27:	Because the job market is bullshit and is more dependent on connections than anything. I remember searching like hell for my first job after college despite having a high GPA from a top school and an internship at a top consulting form. Then when I finally got into a big corporation, I realize a lot of hired engineers are awful. (Fail at basic arithmetic awful). That they were hired because of connections. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:897399040] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Because the job market is bullshit and is more dependent on connections than anything. I remember searching like hell for my first job after college despite having a high GPA from a top school and an internship at a top consulting form. Then when I finally got into a big corporation, I realize a lot of hired engineers are awful. (Fail at basic arithmetic awful). That they were hired because of connections.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 03/08/18 12:40:06 PM #28:	Short answer: foreign workers --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:897399337] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Short answer: foreign workers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 03/08/18 12:40:57 PM #29:	Because they suck shit at networking --- Oda break tracker 2018- 2 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:897399385] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Because they suck shit at networking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 03/08/18 12:50:01 PM #30:	Hexagon posted... Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too. Its not just grades either. Engineers sometimes go through cyclical employment. My industry is down right now. I have a PhD in chemical engineering. I had a 4.0 GPA and published 6 papers and 5 patents. I have only ever had good reviews but my company is having difficulty paying my salary due to the competitive nature of our industry. I have about 3 months to find a new job right now before my contract expires. I dont want to leave the area. I am doing technical design and sales. I had an interview which I aced. I showed the company how I was familiar with their customer base. I showed them how I was local to the area and had no plan to just jump jobs. I showed them that I was technically familiar with their product line and could easily integrate myself into their organization I didnt get it. If things dont change, Im gonna go back to school to get an MD. Im freaking tired of having to be panicked looking for work when I am good at what I do just because of changing market conditions. My wife is already on board to work extra hours to make our finances work. --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:897399904] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too.</quote> Its not just grades either. Engineers sometimes go through cyclical employment. My industry is down right now. I have a PhD in chemical engineering. I had a 4.0 GPA and published 6 papers and 5 patents. I have only ever had good reviews but my company is having difficulty paying my salary due to the competitive nature of our industry. I have about 3 months to find a new job right now before my contract expires. I dont want to leave the area. I am doing technical design and sales. I had an interview which I aced. I showed the company how I was familiar with their customer base. I showed them how I was local to the area and had no plan to just jump jobs. I showed them that I was technically familiar with their product line and could easily integrate myself into their organization I didnt get it. If things dont change, Im gonna go back to school to get an MD. Im freaking tired of having to be panicked looking for work when I am good at what I do just because of changing market conditions. My wife is already on board to work extra hours to make our finances work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 03/08/18 12:54:47 PM #31:	C7D posted... Hexagon posted... Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too. Its not just grades either. Engineers sometimes go through cyclical employment. My industry is down right now. I have a PhD in chemical engineering. I had a 4.0 GPA and published 6 papers and 5 patents. I have only ever had good reviews but my company is having difficulty paying my salary due to the competitive nature of our industry. I have about 3 months to find a new job right now before my contract expires. I dont want to leave the area. I am doing technical design and sales. I had an interview which I aced. I showed the company how I was familiar with their customer base. I showed them how I was local to the area and had no plan to just jump jobs. I showed them that I was technically familiar with their product line and could easily integrate myself into their organization I didnt get it. If things dont change, Im gonna go back to school to get an MD. Im freaking tired of having to be panicked looking for work when I am good at what I do just because of changing market conditions. My wife is already on board to work extra hours to make our finances work. I know a chemical engineer with decades of experience who had to go to Canada to get a job. It's bullshit. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:897400178] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too.</quote> Its not just grades either. Engineers sometimes go through cyclical employment. My industry is down right now. I have a PhD in chemical engineering. I had a 4.0 GPA and published 6 papers and 5 patents. I have only ever had good reviews but my company is having difficulty paying my salary due to the competitive nature of our industry. I have about 3 months to find a new job right now before my contract expires. I dont want to leave the area. I am doing technical design and sales. I had an interview which I aced. I showed the company how I was familiar with their customer base. I showed them how I was local to the area and had no plan to just jump jobs. I showed them that I was technically familiar with their product line and could easily integrate myself into their organization I didnt get it. If things dont change, Im gonna go back to school to get an MD. Im freaking tired of having to be panicked looking for work when I am good at what I do just because of changing market conditions. My wife is already on board to work extra hours to make our finances work.</quote> I know a chemical engineer with decades of experience who had to go to Canada to get a job. It's bullshit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 03/08/18 1:01:16 PM #32:	Shoulda been a roofer or installed drywall brah <cite>gamer167 posted [p:897400574] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>Shoulda been a roofer or installed drywall brah</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jaded_Dragon 03/08/18 1:09:18 PM #33:	It's the same over here in the D.C. area. Literally everyone has a degree. I met a guy that was a college professor for 4 years, the University downsized and he got let go, then ended up having to work retail because he couldn't find anything else in the area that fit his degree. It was very sad. --- ~ Not changing this until the Madden Franchise has a decent running game! Started 8/24/2009 --- http://suchanerdpod.podomatic.com/ <cite>Jaded_Dragon posted [p:897401064] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>It's the same over here in the D.C. area. Literally everyone has a degree. I met a guy that was a college professor for 4 years, the University downsized and he got let go, then ended up having to work retail because he couldn't find anything else in the area that fit his degree. It was very sad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlazinBlue88 03/08/18 1:11:31 PM #34:	CyricZ posted... clearaflagrantj posted... $75K for rectangular prisms, yes. Sick. I get 60K for telling people how not to kill themselves at work. :) Darkman124 posted... i hit 'go' on simulations for 120k I make sure all the blinky lights on servers don't turn from green to orange for $80k. --- http://i.imgur.com/R15aJJ3.png http://i.imgur.com/NJqp6LS.png <cite>BlazinBlue88 posted [p:897401182] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>CyricZ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>$75K for rectangular prisms, yes.</quote> Sick. I get 60K for telling people how not to kill themselves at work. :)</quote> <cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>i hit 'go' on simulations for 120k</quote> I make sure all the blinky lights on servers don't turn from green to orange for $80k.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/08/18 1:20:53 PM #35:	C7D posted... Hexagon posted... Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too. Its not just grades either. Engineers sometimes go through cyclical employment. My industry is down right now. I have a PhD in chemical engineering. I had a 4.0 GPA and published 6 papers and 5 patents. I have only ever had good reviews but my company is having difficulty paying my salary due to the competitive nature of our industry. I have about 3 months to find a new job right now before my contract expires. I dont want to leave the area. I am doing technical design and sales. I had an interview which I aced. I showed the company how I was familiar with their customer base. I showed them how I was local to the area and had no plan to just jump jobs. I showed them that I was technically familiar with their product line and could easily integrate myself into their organization I didnt get it. If things dont change, Im gonna go back to school to get an MD. Im freaking tired of having to be panicked looking for work when I am good at what I do just because of changing market conditions. My wife is already on board to work extra hours to make our finances work. If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? One of my chemical engineering profs was a professor and worked a job, and was coding software one the side. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897401759] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too.</quote> Its not just grades either. Engineers sometimes go through cyclical employment. My industry is down right now. I have a PhD in chemical engineering. I had a 4.0 GPA and published 6 papers and 5 patents. I have only ever had good reviews but my company is having difficulty paying my salary due to the competitive nature of our industry. I have about 3 months to find a new job right now before my contract expires. I dont want to leave the area. I am doing technical design and sales. I had an interview which I aced. I showed the company how I was familiar with their customer base. I showed them how I was local to the area and had no plan to just jump jobs. I showed them that I was technically familiar with their product line and could easily integrate myself into their organization I didnt get it. If things dont change, Im gonna go back to school to get an MD. Im freaking tired of having to be panicked looking for work when I am good at what I do just because of changing market conditions. My wife is already on board to work extra hours to make our finances work.</quote> If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? One of my chemical engineering profs was a professor and worked a job, and was coding software one the side.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 03/08/18 1:23:42 PM #36:	Hexagon posted... If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? @COVxy you want to answer this one? --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:897401945] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote> If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? </quote> @COVxy you want to answer this one?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 03/08/18 1:26:42 PM #37:	Darkman124 posted... Hexagon posted... If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? @COVxy you want to answer this one? Heh. Yeah, if the job market in industry is tough, the job market in academia is just fucked. But then you balance that against all the work you do and the amount you don't get paid, and it all seems...worth it? --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:897402138] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote> If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? </quote> @COVxy you want to answer this one?</quote> Heh. Yeah, if the job market in industry is tough, the job market in academia is just fucked. But then you balance that against all the work you do and the amount you don't get paid, and it all seems...worth it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 03/08/18 1:27:55 PM #38:	This is why I decided against college --- ~snip (V)_(;,;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif <cite>Turbam posted [p:897402213] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>This is why I decided against college</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PhazonReborn 03/08/18 1:28:48 PM #39:	This is why Trump won --- The Phazon you know and trust since 2004 Steam ID: AncientToaster / PSN ID: LiteralToaster <cite>PhazonReborn posted [p:897402264] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote>This is why Trump won</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 03/08/18 1:29:35 PM #40:	COVxy posted... But then you balance that against all the work you do and the amount you don't get paid, and it all seems...worth it? i like to think that it subsidizes the pay of employees at UARCs --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:897402309] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote> But then you balance that against all the work you do and the amount you don't get paid, and it all seems...worth it?</quote> i like to think that it subsidizes the pay of employees at UARCs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 03/08/18 1:31:32 PM #41:	Turbam posted... This is why I decided against college I mean...you don't have to get a degree towards a saturated market. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 2 (1) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:897402445] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Turbam posted...</cite> <quote>This is why I decided against college</quote> I mean...you don't have to get a degree towards a saturated market.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/08/18 1:33:24 PM #42:	Darkman124 posted... Hexagon posted... If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? @COVxy you want to answer this one? Why would @COVxy want to answer a question that was directed towards a specific individual? <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897402550] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote> If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? </quote> @COVxy you want to answer this one?</quote> Why would @COVxy want to answer a question that was directed towards a specific individual?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 03/08/18 1:35:24 PM #43:	Hexagon posted... Why would COVxy want to answer a question that was directed towards a specific individual? because he has experience in academia --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:897402657] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote> Why would COVxy want to answer a question that was directed towards a specific individual?</quote> because he has experience in academia</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkman124 03/08/18 1:37:02 PM #45:	Aeriis posted... If engineers can't get jobs, what is the future for the rest of us? ): pretty solid considering the unemployment rate is at historic lows now it's more people who graduated during the great recession through ~2013 that had a bad time --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:897402750] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aeriis posted...</cite> <quote>If engineers can't get jobs, what is the future for the rest of us? ):</quote> pretty solid considering the unemployment rate is at historic lows now it's more people who graduated during the great recession through ~2013 that had a bad time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 03/08/18 1:39:24 PM #46:	Darkman124 posted... Hexagon posted... Why would COVxy want to answer a question that was directed towards a specific individual? because he has experience in academia Pretty much anyone who has been in academia knows that the only reason to go into academia is that you really really want to be there. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:897402880] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote> Why would COVxy want to answer a question that was directed towards a specific individual?</quote> because he has experience in academia</quote> Pretty much anyone who has been in academia knows that the only reason to go into academia is that you really really want to be there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 03/08/18 1:39:45 PM #47:	Hexagon posted... C7D posted... Hexagon posted... Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too. Its not just grades either. Engineers sometimes go through cyclical employment. My industry is down right now. I have a PhD in chemical engineering. I had a 4.0 GPA and published 6 papers and 5 patents. I have only ever had good reviews but my company is having difficulty paying my salary due to the competitive nature of our industry. I have about 3 months to find a new job right now before my contract expires. I dont want to leave the area. I am doing technical design and sales. I had an interview which I aced. I showed the company how I was familiar with their customer base. I showed them how I was local to the area and had no plan to just jump jobs. I showed them that I was technically familiar with their product line and could easily integrate myself into their organization I didnt get it. If things dont change, Im gonna go back to school to get an MD. Im freaking tired of having to be panicked looking for work when I am good at what I do just because of changing market conditions. My wife is already on board to work extra hours to make our finances work. If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? One of my chemical engineering profs was a professor and worked a job, and was coding software one the side. That was a lot of papers for newly minted 26 year old PhD me. Now, a few years later, its not so impressive anymore. Also, I think it is somewhat disingenuous that universities supply crappy statistics about the job market in order to get butts in the chairs. I dont want to be a part of that system. When I first graduated, I utilized the career services section at the university. Oh, you are really overqualified for everything we have here. Ever considered going into the CIA? I eventually got a job a couple of months later. I think its crazy for me to have great skills, great references, and still to need to apply fora couple of months before I get a job offer. --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:897402902] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>Because getting a degree doesn't mean you can just walk into any high tech job and be a lead engineer. This may be a big surprise for some people, but your grades matter too.</quote> Its not just grades either. Engineers sometimes go through cyclical employment. My industry is down right now. I have a PhD in chemical engineering. I had a 4.0 GPA and published 6 papers and 5 patents. I have only ever had good reviews but my company is having difficulty paying my salary due to the competitive nature of our industry. I have about 3 months to find a new job right now before my contract expires. I dont want to leave the area. I am doing technical design and sales. I had an interview which I aced. I showed the company how I was familiar with their customer base. I showed them how I was local to the area and had no plan to just jump jobs. I showed them that I was technically familiar with their product line and could easily integrate myself into their organization I didnt get it. If things dont change, Im gonna go back to school to get an MD. Im freaking tired of having to be panicked looking for work when I am good at what I do just because of changing market conditions. My wife is already on board to work extra hours to make our finances work.</quote> If you have a PhD and several papers published, why don't you just go into academia? One of my chemical engineering profs was a professor and worked a job, and was coding software one the side.</quote> That was a lot of papers for newly minted 26 year old PhD me. Now, a few years later, its not so impressive anymore. Also, I think it is somewhat disingenuous that universities supply crappy statistics about the job market in order to get butts in the chairs. I dont want to be a part of that system. When I first graduated, I utilized the career services section at the university. Oh, you are really overqualified for everything we have here. Ever considered going into the CIA? I eventually got a job a couple of months later. I think its crazy for me to have great skills, great references, and still to need to apply fora couple of months before I get a job offer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/08/18 1:40:36 PM #48:	Darkman124 posted... Hexagon posted... Why would COVxy want to answer a question that was directed towards a specific individual? because he has experience in academia So do I, but that doesn't explain how COVxy is going to know and speak on behalf of C7D why he/she will make the choices he/she wants to make? <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897402964] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote> Why would COVxy want to answer a question that was directed towards a specific individual?</quote> because he has experience in academia</quote> So do I, but that doesn't explain how COVxy is going to know and speak on behalf of C7D why he/she will make the choices he/she wants to make?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 03/08/18 1:43:52 PM #49:	Darkman124 posted... Aeriis posted... If engineers can't get jobs, what is the future for the rest of us? ): pretty solid considering the unemployment rate is at historic lows now it's more people who graduated during the great recession through ~2013 that had a bad time I got my BS during the recession of 2008 and my PhD in the recession of 2012. Its been a great run --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:897403143] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Aeriis posted...</cite> <quote>If engineers can't get jobs, what is the future for the rest of us? ):</quote> pretty solid considering the unemployment rate is at historic lows now it's more people who graduated during the great recession through ~2013 that had a bad time</quote> I got my BS during the recession of 2008 and my PhD in the recession of 2012. Its been a great run</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/08/18 1:44:54 PM #50:	C7D posted... Also, I think it is somewhat disingenuous that universities supply crappy statistics about the job market in order to get butts in the chairs. I dont want to be a part of that system. So you don't want to get into academia and have more income and possibly get tenure so you wouldn't have to worry about the situation you said you were worried so much about that you are considering spending 4+ years in school possibly with added debt, just because you don't like the ethics/analysis of their marketing? Sounds pretty silly to me no offense. I would just get to my job and do my work and be proud of my work not worrying about what the school is saying to other people because I know I would be putting food on the table. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897403222] in How the he... [t:76391968]...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>Also, I think it is somewhat disingenuous that universities supply crappy statistics about the job market in order to get butts in the chairs. I dont want to be a part of that system.</quote> So you don't want to get into academia and have more income and possibly get tenure so you wouldn't have to worry about the situation you said you were worried so much about that you are considering spending 4+ years in school possibly with added debt, just because you don't like the ethics/analysis of their marketing? Sounds pretty silly to me no offense. I would just get to my job and do my work and be proud of my work not worrying about what the school is saying to other people because I know I would be putting food on the table.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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