Current Events > Gun control shouldn't be a thing.

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The government has already normalized mass surveillance. They president is actively attacking journalists.

Any concession made just weakens the constitution. It says we're OK with letting the government take away inherent rights.

The 2nd amendment was put in place to keep the government honest. A free society should be armed. The government should fear a rebellion. They should know people aren't going to sit there and let them chip away at our rights.

It's always sad when someone dies but the rights of the people will always trump the dead.
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"...the ultimate authority, wherever the derivative may be found, resides in the people alone..."
- James Madison, Federalist No. 46, January 29, 1788
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"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
-Thomas Jefferson

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789
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byron posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

The 2nd amendment was put in place to keep the government honest.

The government and their weapons could fuck the people up

The government couldn't slaughter people without an uprising. The military wouldn't mindlessly follow the government. If real need arises it would turn into a civil war. A revolution wouldn't be just military vs citizens and even if it did a bunch of people in caves have done alright for the last 25 years.
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The idea that Americans will stand to overthrow their government is a fantasy that will NEVER happen.

And Im not even saying the logistics that the people will even be able to do it. But that they will actually coordinate and even try.

Its not gonna fuckin happen

Hey Bill, get yer gun. Were overthrowin the govement
Gee, well that sounds like fun but the kids have volleyball practice

You honestly think there will be anything that will unite Americans to make a change? You cant agree on literally any issue.

Holding on to fantasies.
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Remember when our overpowered, invincible military beat a bunch of Vietnamese villagers with guns?

Me neither....
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ill be honest, I'm pretty left leaning, but i struggle to accept gun control, even though I know guns are a problem.

we need to do something about guns... but I don't wanna get rid of them. idk how people can shit on the trump organization and act like they're crazy lunatics and then at the same time say we should disarm ourselves.

idk. im sick of seeing people die and seeing kids die but I don't know how I feel about getting rid of guns. I want mental health reform and people to stop bullying and saying shit like "soyboy" or "cuck". men are the main mass murderers for a reason.
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byron posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

The military wouldn't mindlessly follow the government.

Oh shit so we don't even need the 2nd amendment. Nice. Thanks military

Horrible argument. A split force could definitely use help.

SwayM posted...

The idea that Americans will stand to overthrow their government is a fantasy that will NEVER happen.

And Im not even saying the logistics that the people will even be able to do it. But that they will actually coordinate and even try.

Its not gonna fuckin happen

Hey Bill, get yer gun. Were overthrowin the govement
Gee, well that sounds like fun but the kids have volleyball practice

You honestly think there will be anything that will unite Americans to make a change? You cant agree on literally any issue.

Holding on to fantasies.

Lol...

A free people should have the ability to tear down the government. The government governs by consent of the governed.
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Why do people seem to believe that the military will join Dictator Trump and gun down their own innocent brothers and sisters?
They got nothing to earn by doing that.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

A free people should have the ability to tear down the government. The government governs by consent of the governed.

Here where it all falls apart

You dont have the ability. No amount of guns will ever change that.

Keep living your fantasy.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

It's always sad when someone dies but my rights will always trump the dead.

Ftfy
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"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We fought for these ideals; we shouldn't settle for less" - Thomas Jefferson.
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The armed rebellion crap is so ridiculous. Especially the Vietnam comparison. The NVA/Vietcong were battle hardened and heavily supported by the Soviet Union/China. Who is going to support a hypothetical armed rebellion in the USA? Even if someone wanted to it probably wouldn't even be possible to smuggle enough weapons into the country to make a difference. Rebels would not have widespread access to RPGs, hand grenades, artillery, anti-air guns, armored vehicles, tanks, fighter aircraft, etc like the NVA/Vietcong did. The US Military has also advanced considerably since then. The civilian population's small arms would be little more than pea shooters against the US military of 2018. With advances in technology i'd give it a month before all of the rebel leaders are either dead or imprisoned.
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The "people will rebel against the government" is the most absurd ridiculous fantasy I've ever heard and anyone who ACTUALLY believes this (contrary to just using it as an argument for keeping muh guns) is suffering from severe delusions.

What could the "government", which is already completely different by state and not some unique entity, possibly do that would unite the country into a militia to "fight" them? Like, what are the possible conditions for this absurdity to even happen?

Your elections are rigged (looking at you DNC), you have a complete buffoon and compulsive liar as your commander and chief, your government spies on you against your will, you have offshore torture bays, healthcare is a (deadly) joke and close to 1% of your population is behind bars.

Where's the revolution?
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"Any concession of free speech is bad. We need to be allowed to yell 'fire' in a crowded area and to slander and libel others without fear of any penalties, criminal or civil. God given inherent rights."

That's how gun people sound when they oppose any possible gun control.
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Imagine wanting to throw away your constitutional rights.
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A lot of people seem to argue that because it's in the constitution, it must never be changed because of some dubious "m-muh rights". Should the 18th amendment have stayed? Its repeal weakened the constitution!! Stop treating the constitution as gospel (hell, gospel itself shouldn't go without scrutiny either). The second amendment does much more harm than any sort of imagined benefits. You can see this obvious reality played out in pretty much any other first-world country.

You're living in a fantasy land if you think access to guns "keeps the government honest". Do you think our government is honest as it's been? In fact, the illusion of freedom is sometimes a bigger impediment to achieving true freedom than the blatant absence of it. People become complacent thinking they have freedom and a fair system, when the reality is far from it.
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School shootings shouldn't be a thing.
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Delta_F14 posted...

Imagine wanting to throw away your constitutional rights.

Yeah imagine thinking that's what gun control means. Lol.
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Remember when the Government secretly gave blacks syphilis and promised to give them free health care?
And decided to look how bad it could get instead of giving them a real cure?
Or when they secretly gave people drugs in MKULTRA? And tried to brainwash people with drugs and electricity?
Or sold illegal guns to criminals in operation Fast and Furious which were used to kill innocent people?
Or when they injected 18 people with plutonium, gave more than 800 pregnant women vitamins that contained radioactive iron, and gave 73 Massachusetts disabled children radioactive oatmeal?
Or when they decided to give cancer patients huge ammounts of radiation just so they could learn how fast they could send in soldiers after dropping nukes?
Exposing 2500 US sailors for mustard gas?
Killed over 10000 US citizens with poison alcohol?
Yes, our guns truly keeps our Government honest.
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Foppe posted...

Remember when the Government secretly gave blacks syphilis and promised to give them free health care?
And decided to look how bad it could get instead of giving them a real cure?
Or when they secretly gave people drugs in MKULTRA? And tried to brainwash people with drugs and electricity?
Or sold illegal guns to criminals in operation Fast and Furious which were used to kill innocent people?
Or when they injected 18 people with plutonium, gave more than 800 pregnant women vitamins that contained radioactive iron, and gave 73 Massachusetts disabled children radioactive oatmeal?
Or when they decided to give cancer patients huge ammounts of radiation just so they could learn how fast they could send in soldiers after dropping nukes?
Exposing 2500 US sailors for mustard gas?
Killed over 10000 US citizens with poison alcohol?
Yes, our guns truly keeps our Government honest.

wtf i never heard of any of these things
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scar the 1 posted...

Foppe posted...

Remember when the Government secretly gave blacks syphilis and promised to give them free health care?
And decided to look how bad it could get instead of giving them a real cure?
Or when they secretly gave people drugs in MKULTRA? And tried to brainwash people with drugs and electricity?
Or sold illegal guns to criminals in operation Fast and Furious which were used to kill innocent people?
Or when they injected 18 people with plutonium, gave more than 800 pregnant women vitamins that contained radioactive iron, and gave 73 Massachusetts disabled children radioactive oatmeal?
Or when they decided to give cancer patients huge ammounts of radiation just so they could learn how fast they could send in soldiers after dropping nukes?
Exposing 2500 US sailors for mustard gas?
Killed over 10000 US citizens with poison alcohol?
Yes, our guns truly keeps our Government honest.

wtf i never heard of any of these things

US gevernment, not the Swedish.
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Foppe posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Foppe posted...

Remember when the Government secretly gave blacks syphilis and promised to give them free health care?
And decided to look how bad it could get instead of giving them a real cure?
Or when they secretly gave people drugs in MKULTRA? And tried to brainwash people with drugs and electricity?
Or sold illegal guns to criminals in operation Fast and Furious which were used to kill innocent people?
Or when they injected 18 people with plutonium, gave more than 800 pregnant women vitamins that contained radioactive iron, and gave 73 Massachusetts disabled children radioactive oatmeal?
Or when they decided to give cancer patients huge ammounts of radiation just so they could learn how fast they could send in soldiers after dropping nukes?
Exposing 2500 US sailors for mustard gas?
Killed over 10000 US citizens with poison alcohol?
Yes, our guns truly keeps our Government honest.

wtf i never heard of any of these things

US gevernment, not the Swedish.

Yeah I expected that but still
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
-Thomas Jefferson

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

....but we don't know what they meant!
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Foppe posted...

Remember when the Government secretly gave blacks syphilis and promised to give them free health care?
And decided to look how bad it could get instead of giving them a real cure?
Or when they secretly gave people drugs in MKULTRA? And tried to brainwash people with drugs and electricity?
Or sold illegal guns to criminals in operation Fast and Furious which were used to kill innocent people?
Or when they injected 18 people with plutonium, gave more than 800 pregnant women vitamins that contained radioactive iron, and gave 73 Massachusetts disabled children radioactive oatmeal?
Or when they decided to give cancer patients huge ammounts of radiation just so they could learn how fast they could send in soldiers after dropping nukes?
Exposing 2500 US sailors for mustard gas?
Killed over 10000 US citizens with poison alcohol?
Yes, our guns truly keeps our Government honest.

So, we should give our government MORE power over us?
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I don't know about you guys but I don't own any guns anymore.
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More power to stop the death of innocent lifes?
Sure.
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"I arranged the menu, the venue, the seating" - Thomas Jefferson
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Foppe posted...

More power to stop the death of innocent lifes?
Sure.

You trust a government that did THAT to stop death of innocent people? They can't do that in CHICAGO, WITH GUN BANS, but you expect them to do it nationally?

Liberal cognitive dissonance, my friends.
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byron posted...

Foppe posted...

Why do people seem to believe that the military will join Dictator Trump and gun down their own innocent brothers and sisters?
They got nothing to earn by doing that.

Exactly. Thanks to the military we don't even need the 2nd amendment.

Thanks military bros

Except the military is the reason why we DO need it.
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Your constitution is a living document that can be continually amended. Nothing in it is fixed and immutable.

If there is enough desire for it, then you can say bye-bye to the second. If you wish to screech about "from cold dead hands" then I doubt the state is going to give a fuck about doing just that.
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Hicks233 posted...

If you wish to screech about "from cold dead hands" then I doubt the state is going to give a fuck about doing just that.

Heck, wouldn't the fact that the "cold dead hands" speech is their immediate response be proof enough that guns are NOT a good thing to have?
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darkjedilink posted...

byron posted...

Foppe posted...

Why do people seem to believe that the military will join Dictator Trump and gun down their own innocent brothers and sisters?
They got nothing to earn by doing that.

Exactly. Thanks to the military we don't even need the 2nd amendment.

Thanks military bros

Except the military is the reason why we DO need it.

What do the military win at joining Dictator Trump?
Preparing military parades that they dont want?
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God damn right TC!
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darkjedilink posted...

Foppe posted...

More power to stop the death of innocent lifes?
Sure.

You trust a government that did THAT to stop death of innocent people? They can't do that in CHICAGO, WITH GUN BANS, but you expect them to do it nationally?

Liberal cognitive dissonance, my friends.

How will allowing people with psychiatric disorders running around with an AR-15 and killing kids at school stop the military from making another biological attack on San Francisco?
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DK9292 posted...

Hicks233 posted...

If you wish to screech about "from cold dead hands" then I doubt the state is going to give a fuck about doing just that.

Heck, wouldn't the fact that the "cold dead hands" speech is their immediate response be proof enough that guns are NOT a good thing to have?

They're a tool; neither good or bad.

They've been elevated to a symbol though and a divisive point. The constitution was quick to give rights but fucked up at establishing responsibilities.

Now you have two groups of people, both screeching about the things when if it had been established: yes you can have weapons, but you're going to need to be responsible in how you use them, perhaps it wouldn't be such a mess as it is now.

If you like them, fair enough. If you hate them, fair enough. Giving people a sense of entitlement to them though; is it any wonder that some behave like a child that won't give up a toy...
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Hicks233 posted...

Your constitution is a living document that can be continually amended. Nothing in it is fixed and immutable.

If there is enough desire for it, then you can say bye-bye to the second. If you wish to screech about "from cold dead hands" then I doubt the state is going to give a fuck about doing just that.

Good luck finding 38 states willing to get rid of the Second Amendment.
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Foppe posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Foppe posted...

More power to stop the death of innocent lifes?
Sure.

You trust a government that did THAT to stop death of innocent people? They can't do that in CHICAGO, WITH GUN BANS, but you expect them to do it nationally?

Liberal cognitive dissonance, my friends.

How will allowing people with psychiatric disorders running around with an AR-15 and killing kids at school stop the military from making another biological attack on San Francisco?

Ah, straight to strawman deflection. You're a walking SJW stereotype.
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Stop with your we only elect people that will turn into Castro if we prevent mental ilness from carrying guns strawman arguments and answer my two goddamn questions.

1: Why would the military join a President that turns into a dictator?
They are no brainwashed zombie army, they got no reason to attack their own country.

2: How will less gun control save you from the might of the US military that you believe will follow your Dictator President? They already did a biological attack against San Francisco, how will more guns prevent them from doing it again as an example of what happen if you dont follow Dictator President?
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Foppe posted...

Stop with your we only elect people that will turn into Castro if we prevent mental ilness from carrying guns strawman arguments and answer my two goddamn questions.

1: Why would the military join a President that turns into a dictator?
They are no brainwashed zombie army, they got no reason to attack their own country.

2: How will less gun control save you from the might of the US military that you believe will follow your Dictator President? They already did a biological attack against San Francisco, how will more guns prevent them from doing it again as an example of what happen if you dont follow Dictator President?

1. He gives them reason to. That's how dictators get the support of the military and secret polices and stuff; they give them reasons to support them.

2. It won't.
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So youre fine with being murdered as long as the government isnt the one doing it?
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And what reasons can Dictator Trump give the modern US military that makes them slaughter US citizens for lulz?
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gunplagirl posted...

"Any concession of free speech is bad. We need to be allowed to yell 'fire' in a crowded area and to slander and libel others without fear of any penalties, criminal or civil. God given inherent rights."

That's how gun people sound when they oppose any possible gun control.

This might be the dumbest think I've ever read. I feel bad for the people that have to deal with you. I feel like I just lost like 15 iq points from reading this.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

So youre fine with being murdered as long as the government isnt the one doing it?

Id just hope not to be one of the point 000001 percent of the population that is affected by gun violence.

It's such a stupid fear to have.
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With the way our govt and various armed forces are set up, I'm not sure why anyone still thinks this tyrannical military takeover nonsense is possible. It's all fantasyland.
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