Poll of the Day > Sports Discussion Topic #172: Gentlemen, start your bandwagons! (NBA/NHL ed.)

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I also started with RE4. RE5 is my favorite but that's because I played with a friend. It's not that good alone. 6 was okay with a friend and unplayable alone.

Within the past year I also went back and played 2 and 3 for the first time with the guidance of my friend, who loves those games. They were just okay, but you're not missing out if you don't play them. I'm sure they were great in their time, but everything from the controls to the inventory system is archaic by today's standards.

6, on merits, isn't very good, but I definitely enjoyed my time with it playing in co-op. The hilarity of watching your friend die because he failed a QTE and a box falls on him is a high that most games don't match.

Ultima_Dragoon posted...

I'm sure they were great in their time, but everything from the controls to the inventory system is archaic by today's standards.

Yeah, whenever I hear people talk about the older games it just sounds like a bunch of things are intentionally broken. I guess it's in the name of stress/scariness, but it doesn't sound fun to me

STLCards1991 posted...

6, on merits, isn't very good, but I definitely enjoyed my time with it playing in co-op. The hilarity of watching your friend die because he failed a QTE and a box falls on him is a high that most games don't match.

It's also hilarious if you're playing co-op and you see your friend going HAM in melee. The one guy doing crazy Kung Fu moves in the distance on your screen

Wasn't a level of the RE6 demo multiplayer? I might be wrong but I think Squall7491 and I played it on ps3 a couple times and we snowboarded and knifed some zombies and had a hilariously awful time

We definitely played some RE6 together and we definitely had some snow misadventures. I don't think we played any full campaigns or anything though. Besides the snowmobiles the main thing i remember is running around punching zombies and occasionally messaging you that I didn't know what I was supposed to do and eventually the level was over because you completed the objectives. Maybe that's when we stopped playing together

SteamedHams posted...

Should I play any of the older RE games? They seem like they might really suck for somebody whose first (and still only) one is 4. I have no interest in 5 and 6, but 7 seems interesting enough if I end up getting a PS4 or Xbone

I don't much about whether the older games were rereleased after the gamecube, but I will still play RE: Zero, Resident evil remake, and RE4 every once in a while. They hold up pretty well. I have resident evil 1 and 2 on playstation, they don't hold up as well. I will play 2 sometimes for nostalgia and to see how fast I can beat it.
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I'll always take some cheap indie suggestions from Steam.
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CaptainHammer posted...

We definitely played some RE6 together and we definitely had some snow misadventures. I don't think we played any full campaigns or anything though. Besides the snowmobiles the main thing i remember is running around punching zombies and occasionally messaging you that I didn't know what I was supposed to do and eventually the level was over because you completed the objectives. Maybe that's when we stopped playing together

Was this the demo co-op? I think it might have been, and then we both got the full game. I honestly can't remember tho....we've been going to this site for a very long time

I don't remember if we played the demo together but if you think we did then we probably did. We did play the full game together though, and now I'm recalling a level where we woke up in different rooms in an asylum or something and had to find each other. It wasn't a good game but it was ahead of its time with certain co-op ideas like that, so much more interesting than just shooting guys together in a big room (which that game also did)

Also there was a boss fight where two of the playable character pairs would team up and if you were online they would match you with a different co-op duo if possible. That's so impractical but what a cool idea

As I recall there were three instances where two teams of two people would meet up, but they never had all three teams meet up. And the one where the Chris story met up with Leon's was insanely idiotic. You were having a footrace but you couldn't even see each other, and there was no point to even trying to win. But the big wacky boss fights where Jake/Leon and Jake/Chris teamed up were indeed a cool thing.

I was strangely confident in that as I posted it but now I'm realizing I could be wrong. But I do know there was another multiplayer thing in that game where you could join a person's game as a monster. I never actually tried playing as one but I did "opt in" a couple times to let people join and having a real human controlling your enemies was really weird.

Zeeky_Bomb posted...

I'll always take some cheap indie suggestions from Steam.

I meant to reply to this as well. I don't know how cheap any of these are at a given time (a lot of them sit in the $20 range) but you can wait for sales or whatever. But here's a list of indies I like off the top of my head:

Gameplay focused:

Shovel Knight
Enter the Gungeon
Cuphead
Bastion
Pyre

Narrative focused:

Life is Strange (broken record there)
Night in the Woods
What Remains of Edith Finch (this one is only 2-3 hours long so def wait for a sale)
Doki Doki Literature Club (free)
Dream Daddy isn't bad

And I know you've played Stardew Valley already. I feel like I'm missing some, but that's all that comes to mind at the moment.

Perfect Dark had a "counter-operative" mode like that where one player took control of the guards. I had never heard of any other games doing stuff like that. It's interesting to hear about that and the other multiplayer ideas in RE6, since I always would hear people act like it's a completely irredeemable dumpster fire.

Zeeky_Bomb posted...

I'll always take some cheap indie suggestions from Steam.

I will make a great list later today

STLCards1991 posted...

Edit: Pyre actually could really go in either category of gameplay or narrative.

I was about to blast you before this edit. The storytelling was my favorite part of Pyre but I did really enjoy the sports/tactics gameplay as well.

SteamedHams posted...

Perfect Dark had a "counter-operative" mode like that where one player took control of the guards. I had never heard of any other games doing stuff like that. It's interesting to hear about that and the other multiplayer ideas in RE6, since I always would hear people act like it's a completely irredeemable dumpster fire.

It was just a mess. I think they had like the biggest dev team in Capcom history because there were three very distinct campaigns and it shows. It's not a cohesive experience at all even though there are cool things sprinkled in

Most people wanted the scare factor and the survival aspect to become prominent again after 5, but Capcom doubled down and made 6 have more action than ever. A lot of RE fans only liked the Leon campaign because it had zombies and it felt creepy, but as you get to the other campaigns, the game turns into a third person shooter to the point where it looks and feels almost nothing like a RE game.

It's a decent action game, but a bad RE game, and I could see how that irritates a lot of long-time fans, but I also feel like the criticism is overblown.

Those are probably the same people who were mad that RE4 actually gives you control over you character, so I'm not sure why they would even stick with the series at that point. People just like to complain about shit.

RE 4 was the last one I completed. I beat all the previous ones, I played a little of 5 but I did feel like it focused more on action. I think 4 had a good balance of action and survival horror.
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Ultima_Dragoon posted...

Most people wanted the scare factor and the survival aspect to become prominent again after 5, but Capcom doubled down and made 6 have more action than ever. A lot of RE fans only liked the Leon campaign because it had zombies and it felt creepy, but as you get to the other campaigns, the game turns into a third person shooter to the point where it looks and feels almost nothing like a RE game.

It's a decent action game, but a bad RE game, and I could see how that irritates a lot of long-time fans, but I also feel like the criticism is overblown.

I think it's basically fine overall too, but I won't go back to it ever. I did think the Leon campaign was the worst of the three though even though it was the one I was most looking forward to at the time. It was totally at odds with the core game design. The other two, particularly the much maligned Chris campaign, at least knew what the game was.

SteamedHams posted...

Those are probably the same people who were mad that RE4 actually gives you control over you character, so I'm not sure why they would even stick with the series at that point. People just like to complain about shit.

I don't know, I think it's fair. The Chris sections are basically just a military shooter. What if they made a new Zelda and it was like Devil May Cry combat with no puzzles? That's the same thing because you're talking about the soul of the series and how it's evolved. Apparently 7 is good because it's another gameplay reboot but it captures the mood of the series

CaptainHammer posted...

I don't know, I think it's fair. The Chris sections are basically just a military shooter. What if they made a new Zelda and it was like Devil May Cry combat with no puzzles? That's the same thing because you're talking about the soul of the series and how it's evolved. Apparently 7 is good because it's another gameplay reboot but it captures the mood of the series

Yeah, but I'm saying those fans already seemed to be lost two games ago. It was a gradual shift to 6, not just a one-game jump. I think somebody can be disappointed that they chose to go further on the action route on 6, but they could probably tell before playing the game what the experience would be, so being disappointed in the experience of playing it is misguided to me, if that makes sense. I guess I'm talking about the difference in expectations of an individual game vs. expectations of the series.

My take on the whole thing is that Resident Evil 4 is a bona fide classic, fully deserving of every accolade it's gotten, but its runaway success was so huge that Capcom ended up taking a lot of wrong lessons from it and their quest to recreate it got them further and further away from what made the series appealing in the first place. And again, I haven't played 7, but from what I've heard they did a good job of righting the ship.

SteamedHams posted...

CaptainHammer posted...

I don't know, I think it's fair. The Chris sections are basically just a military shooter. What if they made a new Zelda and it was like Devil May Cry combat with no puzzles? That's the same thing because you're talking about the soul of the series and how it's evolved. Apparently 7 is good because it's another gameplay reboot but it captures the mood of the series

Yeah, but I'm saying those fans already seemed to be lost two games ago. It was a gradual shift to 6, not just a one-game jump. I think somebody can be disappointed that they chose to go further on the action route on 6, but they could probably tell before playing the game what the experience would be, so being disappointed in the experience of playing it is misguided to me, if that makes sense. I guess I'm talking about the difference in expectations of an individual game vs. expectations of the series.

I would keep buying Zelda games even if I hated the decisions they were making and I would keep complaining forever.

I really want to play 7, unfortunately first-person games gets me motion sick, sometimes they can trigger a migraine as well.
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CaptainHammer posted...

I would keep buying Zelda games even if I hated the decisions they were making and I would keep complaining forever.

Do I do this? I like to complain about Twilight Princess a lot, but that's just one game. I liked Skyward Sword, and that wasn't a big formula shake-up. And of course I like BotW but obviously that was a shaker.

No, that wasn't a dig, that was a true fact stated about myself. It applies to everything I like. In fact before Odyssey I had been complaining about Mario for years.

Oh... though to be fair, I probably would keep buying Zelda games even if I started to hate them, but they don't come out as frequently as RE games. You gotta savor each chance to play a new Zelda game while it's new, or else you'll end up waiting six more years

STLCards1991 posted...

Zeeky_Bomb posted...

I'll always take some cheap indie suggestions from Steam.

I meant to reply to this as well. I don't know how cheap any of these are at a given time (a lot of them sit in the $20 range) but you can wait for sales or whatever. But here's a list of indies I like off the top of my head:

Gameplay focused:

Shovel Knight
Enter the Gungeon
Cuphead
Bastion
Pyre

Narrative focused:

Life is Strange (broken record there)
Night in the Woods
What Remains of Edith Finch (this one is only 2-3 hours long so def wait for a sale)
Doki Doki Literature Club (free)
Dream Daddy isn't bad

And I know you've played Stardew Valley already. I feel like I'm missing some, but that's all that comes to mind at the moment.

Edit: Pyre actually could really go in either category of gameplay or narrative.

I had Doki Doki Literature Club spoiled for me and I'm still salty about it.

I have Bastion from an earlier sale and I should play through it.
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STLCards1991 posted...

Life is Strange (broken record there)

I didn't know Square enix is an indie company. Learn something new everyday

Well it's only published by Square.

That reminds me, there's some new indie game called Fe that seems to be catching a lot of hell for being published by EA. Though TBH that even made me question it a little bit since EA is like the worst of the worst. Game-wise I thought it looked kind of cool but reviews are pretty lukewarm, but if anybody here ends up playing it anyway I'd be curious to hear your thoughts

I'm not interested in it but as you noted, a publisher is not a developer so it's whatever. Not buying an indie published by EA (or Square-Enix ) isn't gonna do anything. If you wanna play something, just play it. Who cares

lmao

https://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2018/03/gregg-zaun-launches-manalyst-tv-youtube/
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Ok here's my highly anticipated list of favorite indie games on steam. No particular order:

Rimworld - In this game, you control 3 space travelers whose ship crashes on an isolated (randomly generated) planet with no means of escape. You build a base and try to keep your colonists alive as long as you can. Throughout the game, the AI throws random events at you, both good and bad, that you have to deal with. Stuff like tribesman raiding, wild animal attacks, all kinds of stuff. There's a a ton of potential events that happen and each colony you make will be a lot different than the others. You control the colonists with this task system. When you assign an action, like planting crops, it adds it to the task list. You prioritize types of tasks for your colonists based on their skills, so if Colonist A has a high priority for woodcutting, he'll drop everything and go chop wood. Most of the time you will lose and your colonists will die tragic, horrifying deaths.

Don't Starve - It's kind of like Rimworld in the sense that you're stranded in the wilderness and the goal is to not die, but you control a single character and the gameplay is quite a bit different. official description: Dont Starve is an uncompromising wilderness survival game full of science and magic. Enter a strange and unexplored world full of strange creatures, dangers, and surprises. Gather resources to craft items and structures that match your survival style.

Battle Brothers - like Fire Emblem/FF Tactics combat where you lead a mercenary company, take on contracts, and try to last as long as you can. Official description (I'm going to use these from here on out):
Battle Brothers is a turn based tactical RPG which has you leading a mercenary company in a gritty, low-power, medieval fantasy world. You decide where to go, whom to hire or to fight, what contracts to take and how to train and equip your men in a procedurally generated open world campaign.

Mount and Blade: Warband - In a land torn asunder by incessant warfare, it is time to assemble your own band of hardened warriors and enter the fray. Lead your men into battle, expand your realm, and claim the ultimate prize: the throne of Calradia!

Kerbal Space Program: it's like the Kingdom Hearts gummi ship system except on meth. The games physics and huge variety of parts allows you to get insanely creative. Some of the shit people have built on youtube is insane.

In Kerbal Space Program, take charge of the space program for the alien race known as the Kerbals. You have access to an array of parts to assemble fully-functional spacecraft that flies (or doesnt) based on realistic aerodynamic and orbital physics. Launch your Kerbal crew into orbit and beyond (while keeping them alive) to explore moons and planets in the Kerbol solar system, constructing bases and space stations to expand the reach of your expedition.

Besiege - kind of like Kerbal, but with medieval siege engines. This is the most demanding of your computer out of this list, depending on how big/intricate your death machine is.
Besiege is a physics based building game in which you construct medieval siege engines and lay waste to immense fortresses and peaceful hamlets. Build a machine which can crush windmills, wipe out battalions of brave soldiers and transport valuable resources, defending your creation against cannons, archers and whatever else the desperate enemies have at their disposal. Create a trundling behemoth, or take clumsily to the skies, and cause carnage in fully destructible environments. Ultimately, you must conquer every Kingdom by crippling their castles and killing their men and livestock, in as creative or clinical a manner as possible!

Cities: Skylines - like sim city, but I like it a lot more

Games that I'm not going to write about because they don't really need an introduction:
Stardew Valley (obv)
The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
Terraria

I was wrong about the wild a couple months ago when I said this team is done for the year. They've been playing really well lately. The Eric Staal signing has turned out to be amazing.

Zeeky_Bomb posted...

lmao

https://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2018/03/gregg-zaun-launches-manalyst-tv-youtube/

Lol come the fuck on

MNTwins1991 posted...

[large helpful list]

I've seen Besieged, and it looks awesome, but there's no chance my laptop can run it. Battle Brothers sounds amazing, and Rimworld/Don't Starve sound great as well.

I do have Kerbal Space Program, but I don't know if my laptop runs it.

STLCards1991 posted...

Lol come the fuck on

Canada's Curt Shilling.

...wait, that's Don Cherry. Unless Curt Shilling is America's Don Cherry.
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Zeeky_Bomb posted...

I've seen Besieged, and it looks awesome, but there's no chance my laptop can run it. Battle Brothers sounds amazing, and Rimworld/Don't Starve sound great as well.

I do have Kerbal Space Program, but I don't know if my laptop runs it.

Besieged does take some processing power, but I don't think it's optimized very well. One of the disadvantages of not having a big studio make it.

But yeah, Battle Bros is $30 regular price, which is overpriced for most people. For how much playtime I've gotten out of it, it would be worth it at full price for me personally, but I got it on sale at 66% off, which turned out to be a hell of a deal. Might not be a bad idea to toss those games on your wishlist and wait for them to go on sale again (which they do pretty often) and wait it out.
Battle Brothers was one of those games I got on a whim after reading a few reviews, and it's a fantastic game. They could make tons of money if they ported it to the Switch/consoles. It could maybe even work on android/iOS

Zeeky_Bomb posted...

lmao

https://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2018/03/gregg-zaun-launches-manalyst-tv-youtube/

This kicks an incredible amount of ass

Have any of you played Darkest Dungeon

Edit: also I think Celeste is on PCand it owns.

CaptainHammer posted...

ave any of you played Darkest Dungeon

I haven't but i've heard great things

Some day I'm going to buy it. It's cool/daunting that Switch is getting every indie ever.

I think it's super cool that it got stardew and binding of isaac. The controls worked super well for Stardew and I assume the same for Isaac

I remember SpeeD was talking about Don't Starve in here before. I am truly terrible and cannot even last a single day in that game. One day I will learn.

Oh another indie I have on Switch that I think is on PC: Battle Chef Brigade. You beat up monsters and use their body parts to cook meals for a cooking competition a la Chopped or Iron Chef. It's fun and unique but definitely a linear single player game with a lot of talking (most of which I like, it's a fun world to spend time in)

sounds like FF15

Teams are genuinely asking Lamar Jackson to do WR drills at the combine. NFL scouts are dumb.
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I guess racism is dumb so I agree but this is obviously a race thing. The things scouts say at the combine are so insane. I remember reading once that they don't want to pick quarterbacks with average looking girlfriends because it shows a lack of confidence. That movethesticks guy on Twitter said he once heard a scout ask a player why he plays like a coward. These fatass old motherfuckers

I heard a list of some of the most ridiculous questions asked by scouts at the combine... Truly outrageous. One was "do you find your mother attractive."