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Genocet_10-325
02/22/18 7:39:33 PM
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This is a hilarious argument.

Ok, let's say the government one day just went crazy and tried to establish a tyrannical dictatorship. Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody, owning a gun is going to protect you from that? Do you really think you and your ragtag group of redneck friends armed with AR-15s could take on the might of the US Army? That's just plain laughable. They would turn you and your friends in to a fine pink mist before you could even get a shot off if they wanted to.
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solosnake
02/22/18 7:41:35 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
This is a hilarious argument.

Ok, let's say the government one day just went crazy and tried to establish a tyrannical dictatorship. Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody, owning a gun is going to protect you from that? Do you really think you and your ragtag group of redneck friends armed with AR-15s could take on the might of the US Army? That's just plain laughable. They would turn you and your friends in to a fine pink mist before you could even get a shot off if they wanted to.


It would be a lot harder if not impossible to round people up when everyone has guns.
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DarthAragorn
02/22/18 7:43:10 PM
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They wouldn't want to
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Genocet_10-325
02/22/18 7:43:15 PM
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solosnake posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
This is a hilarious argument.

Ok, let's say the government one day just went crazy and tried to establish a tyrannical dictatorship. Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody, owning a gun is going to protect you from that? Do you really think you and your ragtag group of redneck friends armed with AR-15s could take on the might of the US Army? That's just plain laughable. They would turn you and your friends in to a fine pink mist before you could even get a shot off if they wanted to.


It would be a lot harder if not impossible to round people up when everyone has guns.

Hahahahahhahahahahhaha, you actually think that? You may have guns, but the US Army has

Bigger guns
More guns
Bombs
Planes
Tanks
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Pepys Monster
02/22/18 7:43:23 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody

I'm a seasoned Army veteran, not Mr. Joe Nobody.
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solosnake
02/22/18 7:44:25 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
solosnake posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
This is a hilarious argument.

Ok, let's say the government one day just went crazy and tried to establish a tyrannical dictatorship. Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody, owning a gun is going to protect you from that? Do you really think you and your ragtag group of redneck friends armed with AR-15s could take on the might of the US Army? That's just plain laughable. They would turn you and your friends in to a fine pink mist before you could even get a shot off if they wanted to.


It would be a lot harder if not impossible to round people up when everyone has guns.

Hahahahahhahahahahhaha, you actually think that? You may have guns, but the US Army has

Bigger guns
More guns
Bombs
Planes
Tanks


I mean if they just want to destroy us then yeah, nothing we can really do lol.
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hockeybub89
02/22/18 7:44:33 PM
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People argue that the military would reject the government in such a situation.

Which just gets into the common belief in conspiracy theories where the government is both monumentally evil AND monumentally stupid.
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Genocet_10-325
02/22/18 7:44:54 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody

I'm a seasoned Army veteran, not Mr. Joe Nobody.

Ok, then do you think you, Mr. Seasoned Army veteran, could take on the entire might of the US Army by yourself?
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Antifar
02/22/18 7:44:58 PM
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*proceeds to justify every time a cop kills someone for one wrong move*
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Kineth
02/22/18 7:46:27 PM
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Antifar posted...
*proceeds to justify every time a cop kills someone for one wrong move*


Well played.
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Materus
02/22/18 7:46:28 PM
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I mean.

Starving farmers where able to meme the army using gorilla warfare fam.
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Fishy
02/22/18 7:46:44 PM
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lmao when colonists think they can revolt against the empire

the empire has THE LARGEST AND MOST POWERFUL NAVY IN THE WORLD. they have 13 INCH cannons, how are farmers going to fight against that? not to mention the well-trained British soldier and their devastating fire and advance tactics

frankly the idea that the american colonies stand a chance of rebelling with just muskets is laughable at best
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Genocet_10-325
02/22/18 7:47:10 PM
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Materus posted...
I mean.

Starving farmers where able to meme the army using gorilla warfare fam.

"Gorilla warfare" rofl
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Kineth
02/22/18 7:47:11 PM
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Materus posted...
I mean.

Starving farmers where able to meme the army using gorilla warfare fam.


Yeah, but they raided an armory and weaponry wasn't nearly as advanced then compared to now.
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Genocet_10-325
02/22/18 7:47:40 PM
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Fishy posted...
lmao when colonists think they can revolt against the empire

the empire has THE LARGEST AND MOST POWERFUL NAVY IN THE WORLD. they have 13 INCH cannons, how are farmers going to fight against that? not to mention the well-trained British soldier and their devastating fire and advance tactics

frankly the idea that the american colonies stand a chance of rebelling with just muskets is laughable at best

We would have lost if the French and Spanish didn't help us
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Pepys Monster
02/22/18 7:47:47 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody

I'm a seasoned Army veteran, not Mr. Joe Nobody.

Ok, then do you think you, Mr. Seasoned Army veteran, could take on the entire might of the US Army by yourself?

By myself? No. But imagine if there were a whole bunch of guys like me using guerrilla warfare. We'd be a real thorn in the US Army's side.
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LordRazziel
02/22/18 7:49:12 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Materus posted...
I mean.

Starving farmers where able to meme the army using gorilla warfare fam.

"Gorilla warfare" rofl

Care to tackle his point, and not his spelling?
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Genocet_10-325
02/22/18 7:49:23 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody

I'm a seasoned Army veteran, not Mr. Joe Nobody.

Ok, then do you think you, Mr. Seasoned Army veteran, could take on the entire might of the US Army by yourself?

By myself? No. But imagine if there were a whole bunch of guys like me using guerrilla warfare. We'd be a real thorn in the US Army's side.

They'd drop a fucking bomb on you guys and that'd be it.
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hockeybub89
02/22/18 7:52:04 PM
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Antifar posted...
*proceeds to justify every time a cop kills someone for one wrong move*

"If you aren't doing anything wrong, then just comply fully and you'll be fine."

"Also, I don't trust the government and they'll take away rights and start demonizing me too if we give them too much rope"
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Capn Circus
02/22/18 7:53:30 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody

I'm a seasoned Army veteran, not Mr. Joe Nobody.

Ok, then do you think you, Mr. Seasoned Army veteran, could take on the entire might of the US Army by yourself?

By myself? No. But imagine if there were a whole bunch of guys like me using guerrilla warfare. We'd be a real thorn in the US Army's side.

They'd drop a fucking bomb on you guys and that'd be it.


If if their goal was to easily take over the nation without causing mass destruction in almost every city, they would fail at that goal. Why do you think ISIS and terrorists are still around after spending billions and billions over 10+ years?

If they wanted to, with the technology, sure, they could do it. But it wouldn't happen overnight. And it wouldn't be without casualties from both sides. It wouldn't be nearly as pretty as doing anything they wanted with an unarmed population.
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Tmk
02/22/18 7:53:59 PM
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So what did the second amendment do back when the US was rounding up Japanese Americans?
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Kineth
02/22/18 7:54:08 PM
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Oh boy, what hypotheticals will we think of next to justify our opinions?!
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LordRazziel
02/22/18 7:56:20 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody

I'm a seasoned Army veteran, not Mr. Joe Nobody.

Ok, then do you think you, Mr. Seasoned Army veteran, could take on the entire might of the US Army by yourself?

By myself? No. But imagine if there were a whole bunch of guys like me using guerrilla warfare. We'd be a real thorn in the US Army's side.

They'd drop a fucking bomb on you guys and that'd be it.

Would they? How big is their force? How man civilian casualties would there be? Are they in their own territory or embedded in the enemies?
It's frustrating to see so many people think complex issues are so simple.
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Uncle Choad
02/22/18 7:57:40 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
This is a hilarious argument.

Ok, let's say the government one day just went crazy and tried to establish a tyrannical dictatorship. Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody, owning a gun is going to protect you from that? Do you really think you and your ragtag group of redneck friends armed with AR-15s could take on the might of the US Army? That's just plain laughable. They would turn you and your friends in to a fine pink mist before you could even get a shot off if they wanted to.


Lol.

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CarlGrimes
02/22/18 7:58:19 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
This is a hilarious argument.

Ok, let's say the government one day just went crazy and tried to establish a tyrannical dictatorship. Do you really think you, Mr. Joe Nobody, owning a gun is going to protect you from that? Do you really think you and your ragtag group of redneck friends armed with AR-15s could take on the might of the US Army? That's just plain laughable. They would turn you and your friends in to a fine pink mist before you could even get a shot off if they wanted to.

Remember when a bunch of farmers beat the shit out of the mighty British Empire, twice.
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r4X0r
02/22/18 7:58:43 PM
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Tmk posted...
So what did the second amendment do back when the US was rounding up Japanese Americans?


Their second amendment rights were violated, and they weren't allowed to have guns, along with radios and other things the government decided they didn't need. And they were rounded up and sent to camps.
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jayj350
02/22/18 7:58:48 PM
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A bunch of guys with rifles stopped the US Army in Vietnam. They also stopped them in Afghanistan and Iraq. Pretty much every war the USA has been involved in since WWII has resulted in failure to control a region occupied by some guys with rifles.
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Uncle Choad
02/22/18 7:59:01 PM
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Spooking posted...
The US lost the Vietnam War. 'Nuff said.


The Vietcong had actual assault weapons though.
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jayj350
02/22/18 8:00:29 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Tmk posted...
So what did the second amendment do back when the US was rounding up Japanese Americans?


Their second amendment rights were violated, and they weren't allowed to have guns, along with radios and other things the government decided they didn't need. And they were rounded up and sent to camps.

Yeah and we need to remember how Hitler was really big on gun control and taking guns out of the hands of the public before he started sending his own people off to camps.
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jayj350
02/22/18 8:01:49 PM
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Uncle Choad posted...
Spooking posted...
The US lost the Vietnam War. 'Nuff said.


The Vietcong had actual assault weapons though.

Just AK-47's for the most part, a gun that Americans can buy and the gun that an AR-15 gets compared to the most.
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Malcrasternus
02/22/18 8:01:51 PM
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"The government is evil, and corrupt."

"Only the government needs guns."
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Tmk
02/22/18 8:01:55 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Their second amendment rights were violated, and they weren't allowed to have guns, along with radios and other things the government decided they didn't need. And they were rounded up and sent to camps.

I think you're missing something really obvious.

Want to think about the scenario a little more or want to skip to spoilers?

What about everyone else in the country who weren't Japanese?
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a42ozslushie
02/22/18 8:01:59 PM
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It depends on how many people actually revolt, and how many people in the military would be willing to kill the civilians they swore to protect. The most recent estimates have the US population at 325 million. Let's say 1/3rd of the population hates the gov't and decides to revolt. 100 million+ armed people could cause insane damage to this country.
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Dark_Spiret
02/22/18 8:02:49 PM
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yes, but not in the way you may be thinking of. chances of it ever coming to the point that youd need to rise up from the government is practically 0 and the chance of a civil war breaking out is just a little bit above that. but theres a lot of ways a less advanced force can beat a stronger one. saying you cant win over tanks, drones and all that bullshit is laughable especially if the stronger force doesnt take a scorched earth approach and ESPECIALLY when both forces are intertwined with each other.

the main point is that guns are a deterrent with the help of the first amendment in keeping the govt. in check and not letting them get too far up their own ass.
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Pepys Monster
02/22/18 8:03:08 PM
#37:


jayj350 posted...
Uncle Choad posted...
Spooking posted...
The US lost the Vietnam War. 'Nuff said.


The Vietcong had actual assault weapons though.

Just AK-47's for the most part, a gun that Americans can buy and the gun that an AR-15 gets compared to the most.

Americans can't buy fully automatic AK-47s.
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a42ozslushie
02/22/18 8:03:16 PM
#38:


Tmk posted...
r4X0r posted...
Their second amendment rights were violated, and they weren't allowed to have guns, along with radios and other things the government decided they didn't need. And they were rounded up and sent to camps.

I think you're missing something really obvious.

Want to think about the scenario a little more or want to skip to spoilers?

What about everyone else in the country who weren't Japanese?

It was also illegal to vocally support the Axis powers. You know that "Nazi sympathizers" (aka anyone who disagreed with the Second World War) was sent to concentration camps, right?
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jayj350
02/22/18 8:04:05 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
jayj350 posted...
Uncle Choad posted...
Spooking posted...
The US lost the Vietnam War. 'Nuff said.


The Vietcong had actual assault weapons though.

Just AK-47's for the most part, a gun that Americans can buy and the gun that an AR-15 gets compared to the most.

Americans can't buy fully automatic AK-47s.

Anyone determined enough can convert any semi-auto to fully automatic.

It is not like fully automatic is more dangerous when you are trying to kill someone anyways. The military usually uses single fire when they are actually trying to kill someone, full auto is usually just for suppression.
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Pepys Monster
02/22/18 8:05:43 PM
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jayj350 posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
jayj350 posted...
Uncle Choad posted...
Spooking posted...
The US lost the Vietnam War. 'Nuff said.


The Vietcong had actual assault weapons though.

Just AK-47's for the most part, a gun that Americans can buy and the gun that an AR-15 gets compared to the most.

Americans can't buy fully automatic AK-47s.

Anyone determined enough can convert any semi-auto to fully automatic.

No, you need machining skills, knowledge, and the equipment to do it. It's no easy task.
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jayj350
02/22/18 8:07:32 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
jayj350 posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
jayj350 posted...
Uncle Choad posted...
Spooking posted...
The US lost the Vietnam War. 'Nuff said.


The Vietcong had actual assault weapons though.

Just AK-47's for the most part, a gun that Americans can buy and the gun that an AR-15 gets compared to the most.

Americans can't buy fully automatic AK-47s.

Anyone determined enough can convert any semi-auto to fully automatic.

No, you need machining skills, knowledge, and the equipment to do it. It's no easy task.

It is hardly the impossible task you are making it out to be, lol, and the only difference single fire makes is making every shot a lot more accurate.
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P4wn4g3
02/22/18 8:11:03 PM
#42:


Mr Hangman posted...
the military is not going to be united against them.

Kind of a childish hope in this day. Of course they will, or they will be removed. They certainly won't be giving orders at the Pentagon.

And let's not forget the array of covert ops tech and training the US military can and will use to make precision strikes in such a case, for example taking out key leaders. Meanwhile what's the civil population going to do, kill their innocent friends and families that stand against them?
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Webmaster4531
02/22/18 8:12:19 PM
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Dark_Spiret posted...
if the stronger force doesnt take a scorched earth approach

TC did say they'd just drop a bomb.

Edit: Remind me, why didn't they do scorched earth in Red Dawn?
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Dark_Spiret
02/22/18 8:14:34 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
TC did say they'd just drop a bomb.
which would always be a smart idea to destroy your own infer-structure and anyone not aligned with the insurgency.
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jayj350
02/22/18 8:14:44 PM
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a42ozslushie posted...
It depends on how many people actually revolt, and how many people in the military would be willing to kill the civilians they swore to protect. The most recent estimates have the US population at 325 million. Let's say 1/3rd of the population hates the gov't and decides to revolt. 100 million+ armed people could cause insane damage to this country.

The military wouldn't even be able to operate without the full support of the people anyways. The American war machine is unbelievably expensive to operate, it takes billions and billions of tax dollars for them to do anything. Without the people paying those taxes, there is no money for them to operate.
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Tmk
02/22/18 8:15:47 PM
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There's really no need to keep talking in hypotheticals. There's already a real historical example in this country of the government turning on its citizens, and it was allowed to happen. The second amendment's ability to "protect" from the government was tested, as was the American people as a whole, and they failed. Clearly all that the government needs to do to succeed is divide and conquer but no, I'm sure that could never happen these days right? Hard to imagine our country ever being divisive.
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Antifar
02/22/18 8:17:16 PM
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Tmk posted...
There's really no need to keep talking in hypotheticals. There's already a real historical example in this country of the government turning on its citizens, and it was allowed to happen. The second amendment's ability to "protect" from the government was tested, as was the American people as a whole, and they failed. Clearly all that the government needs to do to succeed is divide and conquer but no, I'm sure that could never happen these days right? Hard to imagine our country ever being divisive.

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IHeartRadiation
02/22/18 8:20:06 PM
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Oh the Political board is leaking.

Someone should really keep the lid closed when they disinfect it.
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Pepys Monster
02/22/18 8:20:17 PM
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Tmk posted...
There's really no need to keep talking in hypotheticals. There's already a real historical example in this country of the government turning on its citizens, and it was allowed to happen. The second amendment's ability to "protect" from the government was tested, as was the American people as a whole, and they failed. Clearly all that the government needs to do to succeed is divide and conquer but no, I'm sure that could never happen these days right? Hard to imagine our country ever being divisive.

So we should just hand over our guns, roll over, and let Emperor Trump do whatever he wants?
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A_Good_Boy
02/22/18 8:21:38 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
So

It never ceases to amaze me how consistently that sentences that start with that word are hot garbage.
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