Current Events > South Koreans are putting their kids as co-authors on scientific papers.

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COVxy 02/18/18 9:07:57 AM #1:	https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-01512-5 Lol. What admissions committee would even fall for this? I feel like if I were on an admissions committee for a college and I saw the kid on a paper with their parents, I would automatically discount it. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:896305220] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-01512-5 Lol. What admissions committee would even fall for this? I feel like if I were on an admissions committee for a college and I saw the kid on a paper with their parents, I would automatically discount it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/18/18 9:16:33 AM #2:	hilarious level of asian helicopter parenting --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896305427] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>hilarious level of asian helicopter parenting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 02/18/18 9:17:20 AM #3:	Korean food is so good though --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:896305441] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>Korean food is so good though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ilovuuu 02/18/18 9:18:54 AM #4:	Darkman124 posted... hilarious level of asian helicopter parenting its not hilarious if you've lived it first hand >+> <cite>ilovuuu posted [p:896305486] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>hilarious level of asian helicopter parenting</quote> its not hilarious if you've lived it first hand >+></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 02/18/18 9:19:51 AM #5:	ilovuuu posted... Darkman124 posted... hilarious level of asian helicopter parenting its not hilarious if you've lived it first hand >+> I dunno, my mom is Chinese and other than never being allowed to watch TV I actually did fine. Ish. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:896305510] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>ilovuuu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>hilarious level of asian helicopter parenting</quote> its not hilarious if you've lived it first hand >+></quote> I dunno, my mom is Chinese and other than never being allowed to watch TV I actually did fine. Ish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 02/18/18 9:19:54 AM #6:	That's some bullcrap they're pulling. I hope they enjoy the tarnished reputation they got for themselves and their family. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:896305515] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>That's some bullcrap they're pulling. I hope they enjoy the tarnished reputation they got for themselves and their family.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/18/18 9:20:27 AM #7:	That's insane lol --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:896305530] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>That's insane lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/18/18 9:31:30 AM #8:	Hexagon posted... That's some bullcrap they're pulling. I hope they enjoy the tarnished reputation they got for themselves and their family. I mean, to be fair, it's not outside of the realm of other authorship misconduct, especially in biomedical sciences, but just kinda really funny on top of it. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:896305839] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>That's some bullcrap they're pulling. I hope they enjoy the tarnished reputation they got for themselves and their family.</quote> I mean, to be fair, it's not outside of the realm of other authorship misconduct, especially in biomedical sciences, but just kinda really funny on top of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/18/18 9:47:41 AM #9:	COVxy posted... Hexagon posted... That's some bullcrap they're pulling. I hope they enjoy the tarnished reputation they got for themselves and their family. I mean, to be fair, it's not outside of the realm of other authorship misconduct, especially in biomedical sciences, but just kinda really funny on top of it. The institutions they represent should be reprimanded. And the funding they get should be reevaluated. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:896306322] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>That's some bullcrap they're pulling. I hope they enjoy the tarnished reputation they got for themselves and their family.</quote> I mean, to be fair, it's not outside of the realm of other authorship misconduct, especially in biomedical sciences, but just kinda really funny on top of it.</quote> The institutions they represent should be reprimanded. And the funding they get should be reevaluated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 02/18/18 9:52:54 AM #10:	It doesnt surprise me. The pressure to excel academically in South Korea and to get into a top school is almost overwhelming. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:896306488] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>It doesnt surprise me. The pressure to excel academically in South Korea and to get into a top school is almost overwhelming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/18/18 10:05:21 AM #11:	scar the 1 posted... COVxy posted... Hexagon posted... That's some bullcrap they're pulling. I hope they enjoy the tarnished reputation they got for themselves and their family. I mean, to be fair, it's not outside of the realm of other authorship misconduct, especially in biomedical sciences, but just kinda really funny on top of it. The institutions they represent should be reprimanded. And the funding they get should be reevaluated. Oh, I don't disagree. Just saying that the only reason these cases are particularly salient is that they are ridiculous. If an undergrad is given authorship in biomedical sciences, it's very likely that they didn't meet NIH authorship guidelines. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:896306896] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>That's some bullcrap they're pulling. I hope they enjoy the tarnished reputation they got for themselves and their family.</quote> I mean, to be fair, it's not outside of the realm of other authorship misconduct, especially in biomedical sciences, but just kinda really funny on top of it.</quote> The institutions they represent should be reprimanded. And the funding they get should be reevaluated.</quote> Oh, I don't disagree. Just saying that the only reason these cases are particularly salient is that they are ridiculous. If an undergrad is given authorship in biomedical sciences, it's very likely that they didn't meet NIH authorship guidelines.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/18/18 10:16:37 AM #12:	What are those guidelines? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:896307245] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>What are those guidelines?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Distant_Rainbow 02/18/18 10:17:13 AM #13:	Ah, that. It's slightly old news over here. As a South Korean whose father was a professor in neurobiology for decades, this is hilarious. He's half-dumbfounded and half-furious that something like this could happen. What kind of dumbasses thought this would be accepted? How could they think this would work? A middle school or high school student authoring a scientific paper? Co-authoring with a parent no less? Seriously? Kids have no place in a paper except a passing mention in the acknowledgements section. Fire those researchers' asses and put a black mark on each of their names so their careers are finished. People with that kind of stupidity don't deserve to work in science anyway. --- Link meets Fire Emblem in CYOA: Tales of Elibe! Come read, and find out what happens! Click below! https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/468480-fire-emblem/76125431 <cite>Distant_Rainbow posted [p:896307262] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>Ah, that. It's slightly old news over here. As a South Korean whose father was a professor in neurobiology for decades, this is hilarious. He's half-dumbfounded and half-furious that something like this could happen. What kind of dumbasses thought this would be accepted? How could they think this would work? A middle school or high school student authoring a scientific paper? Co-authoring with a parent no less? Seriously? Kids have no place in a paper except a passing mention in the acknowledgements section. Fire those researchers' asses and put a black mark on each of their names so their careers are finished. People with that kind of stupidity don't deserve to work in science anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/18/18 10:33:40 AM #14:	scar the 1 posted... What are those guidelines? https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:896307847] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>What are those guidelines?</quote> https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/18/18 10:57:57 AM #15:	Distant_Rainbow posted... Ah, that. It's slightly old news over here. Seemingly old around here too, but I hadn't seen it until now. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:896308731] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>Distant_Rainbow posted...</cite> <quote>Ah, that. It's slightly old news over here. </quote> Seemingly old around here too, but I hadn't seen it until now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/18/18 12:04:06 PM #16:	COVxy posted... scar the 1 posted... What are those guidelines? https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially. That looks reasonable yeah. I don't think everyone at our uni follows that, by far. Some professors are supervisors in name only but will demand co-authorship. Maybe not demand explicitly but e.g., PhD students easily find themselves somewhat pressured to include them. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:896311502] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>What are those guidelines?</quote> https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially.</quote> That looks reasonable yeah. I don't think everyone at our uni follows that, by far. Some professors are supervisors in name only but will demand co-authorship. Maybe not demand explicitly but e.g., PhD students easily find themselves somewhat pressured to include them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/19/18 7:53:03 AM #17:	COVxy posted... scar the 1 posted... What are those guidelines? https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially. fun fact: my old adviser took my master's thesis, slapped his name in first author position, trimmed down to appropriate size, and submitted to a conference if it were a journal i'd have been angry --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896360770] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>What are those guidelines?</quote> https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially.</quote> fun fact: my old adviser took my master's thesis, slapped his name in first author position, trimmed down to appropriate size, and submitted to a conference if it were a journal i'd have been angry</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/19/18 7:55:46 AM #18:	what happens when a society is overly pressuring about education and prestige --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:896360828] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>what happens when a society is overly pressuring about education and prestige</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/19/18 8:18:38 AM #19:	Darkman124 posted... COVxy posted... scar the 1 posted... What are those guidelines? https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially. fun fact: my old adviser took my master's thesis, slapped his name in first author position, trimmed down to appropriate size, and submitted to a conference if it were a journal i'd have been angry I'm pretty sure that happens here too. Most of us ask for permission and put the student as co-author at least, though. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:896361376] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote>What are those guidelines?</quote> https://oir.nih.gov/sites/default/files/uploads/sourcebook/documents/ethical_conduct/guidelines-authorship_contributions.pdf I'm pretty sure there's an actual written out version of this somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. The graphic is generally accurate though. If you are a trained cog in a wheel, no authorship, essentially.</quote> fun fact: my old adviser took my master's thesis, slapped his name in first author position, trimmed down to appropriate size, and submitted to a conference if it were a journal i'd have been angry</quote> I'm pretty sure that happens here too. Most of us ask for permission and put the student as co-author at least, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/19/18 8:20:36 AM #20:	i was listed as second author didnt appreciate it though. he didnt even inform me --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896361432] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>i was listed as second author didnt appreciate it though. he didnt even inform me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/19/18 8:22:43 AM #21:	Darkman124 posted... he didnt even inform me That's pretty shitty. All authors should be informed before submission. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:896361486] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>he didnt even inform me</quote> That's pretty shitty. All authors should be informed before submission.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 02/19/18 8:24:10 AM #22:	Seems like academia is full of people willing to cheat their way to the top --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:896361525] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>Seems like academia is full of people willing to cheat their way to the top</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 02/19/18 8:27:49 AM #23:	Sativa_Rose posted... Seems like academia is full of people willing to cheat their way to the top Full is an exaggeration at best. Really, the issue is low funding creating an extremely cut throat environment. It's extremely hard to be in academia, and people have worked their entire lives to be there, so it can push people beyond their threshold. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:896361606] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like academia is full of people willing to cheat their way to the top</quote> Full is an exaggeration at best. Really, the issue is low funding creating an extremely cut throat environment. It's extremely hard to be in academia, and people have worked their entire lives to be there, so it can push people beyond their threshold.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/19/18 8:30:10 AM #24:	yep its why i decided i didnt want any part of it darkman likes money and free time --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:896361667] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote>yep its why i decided i didnt want any part of it darkman likes money and free time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 02/19/18 8:30:33 AM #25:	Sativa_Rose posted... Seems like academia is full of people willing to cheat their way to the top People do shady stuff everywhere, yeah. Academia is one of the better places in terms of trying to fix its own issues, IMO. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:896361677] in South Kore... [t:76332008]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like academia is full of people willing to cheat their way to the top</quote> People do shady stuff everywhere, yeah. Academia is one of the better places in terms of trying to fix its own issues, IMO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > South Koreans are putting their kids as co-authors on scientific papers. (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > South Koreans are putting their kids as co-authors on scientific papers.