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FrenchCrunch
02/14/18 11:42:51 PM
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r4X0r posted...
FrenchCrunch posted...
Anisoptera posted...
What I hate about traveling to America is going camping and seeing a group of guys bring their assault rifles to practice shooting. Sure they don't plan on shooting everyone, but it ruins the mood when I'm having a nice swim in a river and suddenly spot a group of guys carrying assault rifles on their back.

damn that would scare the crap outta me


Why? Do you think that random people are going to shoot you for no reason? That's called "paranoia."

i just feel like my chances of getting shot go up when there are guns around. it also scares me that stupid people have guns
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DifferentialEquation
02/14/18 11:43:36 PM
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DavidWong posted...
What I meant by semi-automatic, I mean assault rifles


So by semi-automatic, you mean fully automatic or burst fire?
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Rika_Furude
02/14/18 11:44:45 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
By not having a shitload of guns floating around in the first place?

So you agree that guns simply existing has a signifigant impact on crime and murder rates?
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scorpion41
02/14/18 11:45:13 PM
#54:


DavidWong posted...
What I meant by semi-automatic, I mean assault rifles


No one has assault rifles. A semi-automatic is not an assault weapon. Please go educate yourself and stop posting on things you know nothing about.
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prince_leo
02/14/18 11:47:24 PM
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r4X0r posted...
Why? Do you think that random people are going to shoot you for no reason? That's called "paranoia."

I mean I can kinda get it
i'm not gonna call for banning guns, but when I spent a summer in kentucky for an internship we would go out to eat and there would always be a guy with a gun on his hip somewhere in the restaurant. it never made me feel safer
and I know logically the chance of something happening is low, but it still made me feel uncomfortable
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FrenchCrunch
02/14/18 11:47:54 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
DavidWong posted...
What I meant by semi-automatic, I mean assault rifles


No one has assault rifles. A semi-automatic is not an assault weapon. Please go educate yourself and stop posting on things you know nothing about.

hes trying to educate himself why you gotta be so mean
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Coffeebeanz
02/14/18 11:48:03 PM
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DavidWong posted...
What I meant by semi-automatic, I mean assault rifles


Those are already banned
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Rika_Furude
02/14/18 11:49:25 PM
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FrenchCrunch posted...
scorpion41 posted...
DavidWong posted...
What I meant by semi-automatic, I mean assault rifles


No one has assault rifles. A semi-automatic is not an assault weapon. Please go educate yourself and stop posting on things you know nothing about.

hes trying to educate himself why you gotta be so mean

He probably just wants to start a fight and derail the thread
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Dark_Spiret
02/14/18 11:49:33 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Those are already banned
well, heavily regulated.
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FLUFFYGERM
02/14/18 11:49:40 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Civilians dont need weapons anyway. Look at countries with gun restrictions. Not only gun crime but crime in general goes way down. This is an aspect america needs to improve on but wont.


so what are people supposed to do if theres a break in? and what about keeping governments from getting too comfortable?

American government is already comfortable


so what are people supposed to do if theres a break in? and what about keeping governments from getting too comfortable?

How do you think other countries handle it without guns and still have lower murder and crime rates?


by living in fear of increases in violence and rape?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/19/rising-at-increasing-rate-in-england-and-wales-police-figures-show
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FLUFFYGERM
02/14/18 11:51:13 PM
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prince_leo posted...
r4X0r posted...
Why? Do you think that random people are going to shoot you for no reason? That's called "paranoia."

I mean I can kinda get it
i'm not gonna call for banning guns, but when I spent a summer in kentucky for an internship we would go out to eat and there would always be a guy with a gun on his hip somewhere in the restaurant. it never made me feel safer
and I know logically the chance of something happening is low, but it still made me feel uncomfortable


tens of millions of people witness that on a daily basis and dont get hurt
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prince_leo
02/14/18 11:52:11 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
tens of millions of people witness that on a daily basis and dont get hurt

well yeah
i'm just saying I can see why people make the leap from feeling uncomfortable to calling them to be banned
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DifferentialEquation
02/14/18 11:52:14 PM
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prince_leo posted...
r4X0r posted...
Why? Do you think that random people are going to shoot you for no reason? That's called "paranoia."

I mean I can kinda get it
i'm not gonna call for banning guns, but when I spent a summer in kentucky for an internship we would go out to eat and there would always be a guy with a gun on his hip somewhere in the restaurant. it never made me feel safer
and I know logically the chance of something happening is low, but it still made me feel uncomfortable


There's almost certainly been occasions where people around you had concealed firearms (maybe even illegally sometimes) and you were none the wiser. I wouln't be worried about the guy who's open carrying.
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NINExATExSEVEN
02/14/18 11:53:31 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
DavidWong posted...
What I meant by semi-automatic, I mean assault rifles


Those are already banned


What's keeping the owner of one of them from turning it into an automatic weapon by using mods?

*hmph got er *
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DavidWong
02/14/18 11:54:16 PM
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AssultTank posted...
Yeah...
Automatic - Bullets fire as long as you hold the trigger.
Burst - A set number of bullets greater than 1 will fire on one trigger press.
Semi-Automatic - One bullet fired per trigger press. Next bullet is automatically cycled into the chamber and the gun is readied. (All non-revolver handguns fall into this category.)
Bolt Action - You must manually cycle the bolt, this cycles and readies the gun for another shot.

Automatic and Burst fire are illegal in the USA.

Also of note; The AR-15 is a small game hunting rifle. The popularity of it is due to its modular design, allowing for easy customization of various features, most of which do not affect the function of the weapon.


Right. Thanks. This helps. So I mean automatic then. Those ones where you can hold the trigger and spray bullets.
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KingCrabCake
02/14/18 11:55:13 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Civilians dont need weapons anyway. Look at countries with gun restrictions. Not only gun crime but crime in general goes way down. This is an aspect america needs to improve on but wont.


so what are people supposed to do if theres a break in? and what about keeping governments from getting too comfortable?

American government is already comfortable


so what are people supposed to do if theres a break in? and what about keeping governments from getting too comfortable?

How do you think other countries handle it without guns and still have lower murder and crime rates?

Lmfao
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Stallion_Prime
02/14/18 11:55:17 PM
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I hate gun loving hick ass hillbilly americans
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ThePrinceFish
02/14/18 11:55:31 PM
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DavidWong posted...
Right. Thanks. This helps. So I mean automatic then. Those ones where you can hold the trigger and spray bullets.

Very heavily regulated. Need all kinds of permits for a fully automatic weapon. Average American will never even see a fully automatic firearm in their lives.
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DifferentialEquation
02/14/18 11:58:11 PM
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FrenchCrunch posted...
scorpion41 posted...
DavidWong posted...
What I meant by semi-automatic, I mean assault rifles


No one has assault rifles. A semi-automatic is not an assault weapon. Please go educate yourself and stop posting on things you know nothing about.

hes trying to educate himself why you gotta be so mean


The reason why some people get upset is because no one ever says "Hey, I don't understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic and I don't know what an assault rifle is. Will someone please explain what these terms mean?" Instead they try to tell people what guns they should or shouldn't be allowed to have and have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.
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Rika_Furude
02/14/18 11:59:49 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Civilians dont need weapons anyway. Look at countries with gun restrictions. Not only gun crime but crime in general goes way down. This is an aspect america needs to improve on but wont.


so what are people supposed to do if theres a break in? and what about keeping governments from getting too comfortable?

American government is already comfortable


so what are people supposed to do if theres a break in? and what about keeping governments from getting too comfortable?

How do you think other countries handle it without guns and still have lower murder and crime rates?


by living in fear of increases in violence and rape?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/19/rising-at-increasing-rate-in-england-and-wales-police-figures-show

I dont live in fear. If random civilians around me had guns, i would live in fear because that increases public risk, not safety.
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Pepys Monster
02/15/18 12:02:48 AM
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DavidWong posted...
What I meant by semi-automatic, I mean assault rifles

Assault rifles are select-fire, not semi-automatic. You probably dont know what that means either. It means it can go full auto or 3 round burst.
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r4X0r
02/15/18 12:03:09 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Civilians dont need weapons anyway. Look at countries with gun restrictions. Not only gun crime but crime in general goes way down. This is an aspect america needs to improve on but wont.


so what are people supposed to do if theres a break in? and what about keeping governments from getting too comfortable?

American government is already comfortable


so what are people supposed to do if theres a break in? and what about keeping governments from getting too comfortable?

How do you think other countries handle it without guns and still have lower murder and crime rates?


by living in fear of increases in violence and rape?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/19/rising-at-increasing-rate-in-england-and-wales-police-figures-show

I dont live in fear. If random civilians around me had guns, i would live in fear because that increases public risk, not safety.


So you think that law abiding people with firearms are going to randomly shoot you? Do you understand now ridiculous that sounds? That's like saying you're scared when people are driving cars because you think that a licensed, legal driver is all of a sudden going to take their car and run you over and kill you for absolutely no reason.

Paranoia.

You: "I don't live in fear."
Also you: "I'm scared that lawful gun owners are going to shoot me."
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DifferentialEquation
02/15/18 12:05:28 AM
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AssultTank posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The reason why some people get upset is because no one ever says "Hey, I don't understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic and I don't know what an assault rifle is. Will someone please explain what these terms mean?" Instead they try to tell people what guns they should or shouldn't be allowed to have and have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

Yeah, this is a phenomenon I've noticed quite frequently, especially from the media and politicians...


This is one of the all time classics (it's only a minute and a half):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIuk3G9Xixc

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Rika_Furude
02/15/18 12:08:09 AM
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r4X0r posted...
So you think that law abiding people with firearms are going to randomly shoot you? Do you understand now ridiculous that sounds? That's like saying you're scared when people are driving cars because you think that a licensed, legal driver is all of a sudden going to take their car and run you over and kill you for absolutely no reason.

Paranoia.

You: "I don't live in fear."
Also you: "I'm scared that lawful gun owners are going to shoot me."

so because the solution is a long process and you wont see any immediate benefit, you simply refuse to take any action to improve your country?
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CapnMuffin
02/15/18 12:08:31 AM
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AssultTank posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The reason why some people get upset is because no one ever says "Hey, I don't understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic and I don't know what an assault rifle is. Will someone please explain what these terms mean?" Instead they try to tell people what guns they should or shouldn't be allowed to have and have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

Yeah, this is a phenomenon I've noticed quite frequently, especially from the media and politicians...

Gun terms aside, I'd like to flip it back and say sure they might not know the lingo but that's missing the point. The point they're trying to make is there's a lot of easily obtainable legal guns that have killing power above and beyond what a typical person would find reasonable for hunting/defense.
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r4X0r
02/15/18 12:09:08 AM
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I do like how he says you don't need thirty rounds right after he advocates emptying your weapon with warning shots after acknowledging that threats exist. How is a Saiga 12 with a drum or a Mossberg 500 WORSE at defending your home than a side by side break action?
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r4X0r
02/15/18 12:09:38 AM
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CapnMuffin posted...
AssultTank posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The reason why some people get upset is because no one ever says "Hey, I don't understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic and I don't know what an assault rifle is. Will someone please explain what these terms mean?" Instead they try to tell people what guns they should or shouldn't be allowed to have and have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

Yeah, this is a phenomenon I've noticed quite frequently, especially from the media and politicians...

Gun terms aside, I'd like to flip it back and say sure they might not know the lingo but that's missing the point. The point they're trying to make is there's a lot of easily obtainable legal guns that have killing power above and beyond what a typical person would find reasonable for hunting/defense.


If you find those weapons unreasonable, don't buy one. What's the problem?
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Rika_Furude
02/15/18 12:10:22 AM
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r4X0r posted...
CapnMuffin posted...
AssultTank posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The reason why some people get upset is because no one ever says "Hey, I don't understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic and I don't know what an assault rifle is. Will someone please explain what these terms mean?" Instead they try to tell people what guns they should or shouldn't be allowed to have and have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

Yeah, this is a phenomenon I've noticed quite frequently, especially from the media and politicians...

Gun terms aside, I'd like to flip it back and say sure they might not know the lingo but that's missing the point. The point they're trying to make is there's a lot of easily obtainable legal guns that have killing power above and beyond what a typical person would find reasonable for hunting/defense.


If you find those weapons unreasonable, don't buy one. What's the problem?

other people own them. thats the problem
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r4X0r
02/15/18 12:11:30 AM
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Why is a lawful citizen owning a firearm a problem to you personally?
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DifferentialEquation
02/15/18 12:12:58 AM
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CapnMuffin posted...
AssultTank posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The reason why some people get upset is because no one ever says "Hey, I don't understand the difference between automatic and semi-automatic and I don't know what an assault rifle is. Will someone please explain what these terms mean?" Instead they try to tell people what guns they should or shouldn't be allowed to have and have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.

Yeah, this is a phenomenon I've noticed quite frequently, especially from the media and politicians...

Gun terms aside, I'd like to flip it back and say sure they might not know the lingo but that's missing the point. The point they're trying to make is there's a lot of easily obtainable legal guns that have killing power above and beyond what a typical person would find reasonable for hunting/defense.


If they don't even understand the most basic of firearms terminology, how can they even begin to make any kind of accurate assessment of what's "reasonable" for hunting or home defense?
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Dark_Spiret
02/15/18 12:14:10 AM
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CapnMuffin posted...
defense
whos to say whats appropriate for defense? if 3 6' 2 guys try to rob or kill me or rape my wife or kidnap my children i want as much fire power as i can get to not leave anything to chance especially when the adrenaline kicks in.
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r4X0r
02/15/18 12:16:09 AM
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Yeah I'm going to sleep, the gun grabbers ran into a wall with this one.
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KingCrabCake
02/15/18 12:18:27 AM
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r4X0r posted...
Why is a lawful citizen owning a firearm a problem to you personally?

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Rika_Furude
02/15/18 12:19:13 AM
#89:


r4X0r posted...
Why is a lawful citizen owning a firearm a problem to you personally?

increased murder rate, gun crime, lower public safety, seeing guns in public is disturbing
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southcoast09
02/15/18 12:19:17 AM
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Why is alcohol needed by the public? It never does anything but harm.

History shows that when you give people a right and then take it away, bad things happen.
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Hinakuluiau
02/15/18 12:19:35 AM
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It's a bit rich to hear a gun owner complain about paranoia when you literally have people in here arguing for owning guns because of paranoia.
The chances of someone breaking into your home and you being able to stop them with a gun is just as crazy as some random gun owner going nuts in a store and using their gun to kill people.

Both arguments sidestep the issue of violence and miss the mark on why the US has a problem other countries don't.
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