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gunplagirl 02/13/18 9:51:54 PM #51: |
r4X0r posted...
gunplagirl posted...SageHarpuia posted...It doesnt bother me at all what they spend it on. Once it is theirs, it is theirs and they are the only ones who need to care if they spent it terribly. So as a member of society, it has been a commonly understood concept that you have an obligation to help provide for others around you. Shanidar 1 is an example from 35,000-45,000 years ago of a disabled person who lived well into adulthood despite being unable to actually contribute to society. In our capitalist system, there can only be ultra wealthy people if workers are not paid for the proper value of their labor, and the surplus is extracted as profit that goes to those who did not do such work. This system also is flawed because in spite of the fact that automation is supposed to improve the quality of our lives, it only really benefits those who extract the value of labor from others. Then there's the fact that it does not accommodate for those who are unable to work full time or at all, as disabilities of all kinds exist. Basically? If somebody has an issue with supporting somebody else and they cite capitalism as the reason for their views? They need to shut the hell up, and remove themselves from society until they reevaluate their lives and realize that the progress and uplifting of all members of society should take priority over their own moral hang ups from being born in to a manipulative system that abuses them. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 02/13/18 9:57:02 PM #52: |
Soviet_Poland posted...
As someone who touted the whole "does the US spend too much on military" stance for a while, this reddit post made me reevaluate my stance. Had nothing I wasn't already aware of. It's still over bloated and larger than necessary, especially in the interest of creating peaceful conditions throughout the world. If anything, that reddit breakdown is a good example of the ways in which we've become accustomed to the military-industrial complex and can somehow justify spending billions on weapons and super jets that will likely sit in storage for years before being rendered obsolete. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thanosibe 02/13/18 9:57:24 PM #53: |
Soviet_Poland posted...
gunplagirl posted...She's worried about her narrative.The only "welfare queens" living off the government are multi billion dollar corporations. Especially with the recent tax reforms. That said my wife and I got WIC with both our babies. Here is a program that really helps ny using guidelines as to how the dollar amount can be spent so that parents, if irresponsible, still end up using WIC to benefit their children more than themselves. This a program I think is good and EBT could take some lessons from. I don't think EBT should only provide shit food for families in need. But some guidelines would help keep people so intent to abuse the system from doing so. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Soviet_Poland 02/13/18 9:59:46 PM #55: |
gunplagirl posted...
Had nothing I wasn't already aware of. Lol you didn't read the follow up posts. --- "He has two neurons held together by a spirochete." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuia 02/13/18 9:59:55 PM #56: |
When gunplagirl types a wall to disagree with me I know I'm right.
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gunplagirl 02/13/18 10:03:48 PM #57: |
thanosibe posted...
Soviet_Poland posted...gunplagirl posted...She's worried about her narrative.The only "welfare queens" living off the government are multi billion dollar corporations. Especially with the recent tax reforms. It's hardly a narrative, it's a genuine concern because unlike you, many will never be able to escape being poor and dependency upon others to support them. Oh, plus there's those who work but the wages are so low they qualify for and need EBT to survive. For instance, employees at many Walmart locations. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Capn Circus 02/13/18 10:04:31 PM #58: |
gunplagirl posted...
r4X0r posted...gunplagirl posted...SageHarpuia posted...It doesnt bother me at all what they spend it on. Once it is theirs, it is theirs and they are the only ones who need to care if they spent it terribly. I think we understand supporting people is good. But supporting people doesn't also have to equate to providing them 5 star meals and delicacies many middle class individuals do not routinely buy themselves. And without capitalism, we wouldn't be where we are now. Let me know of a nation that is ripe with freedom, prosperity, wealth and technology that doesn't follow a capitalistic model. And also let me know if you want to move somewhere else. And if so, where? --- "I think that man will be president right about the time when spaceships come down filled with dinosaurs in red capes" - Tom Hanks ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 02/13/18 10:07:40 PM #59: |
The average EBT benefit is about $125 a month.
If someone wants to buy a crate of lobster and starve the rest of the month, that's his or her prerogative to do so. There's no point in being angry about it, unless the recipient is sticking a hand out again a couple days later. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 02/13/18 10:09:17 PM #60: |
Soviet_Poland posted...
gunplagirl posted...Had nothing I wasn't already aware of. I got down to the bush 1421 bit. Most of our military tech still won't see combat use. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 02/13/18 10:12:39 PM #61: |
SageHarpuia posted...
When gunplagirl types a wall to disagree with me I know I'm right. That sounds like you just don't have the capacity to actually address or respond to anything I said, and rather than acknowledge the flaws that exist in your arguments, you simply refuse to engage. Of course that would also entail that you have zero interest in actually informing others of your views in an attempt to actually get them to reconsider their own views. Alternatively (or in conjunction with that), you simply say stuff to bait a response so you can then straw man other viewpoints at a later time. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SageHarpuia 02/13/18 10:15:35 PM #62: |
Sorry, I just can't be bothered.
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thanosibe 02/13/18 10:17:52 PM #63: |
gunplagirl posted...
thanosibe posted...I actually worked at Walmart back in 2011 for a bit because it paid better than unemployment. And yeah it was a struggle. I donated plasma to supplement my wages. I'm not saying that EBT is a bad thing. Just that it needs to be refined. Like how in the 90's working in a convience store I see five kids come in with a dollar food stamp each, each buy a 10 cent candy and then go to the car for the adult to come in and use that change to buy beer or cigs. No not all people abuse the system. But every step we take to insure government aid is used in the best possible way to benefit the recipients and stop the abusers is good. Even if that means people on EBT have to buy lobster with their own cash.Soviet_Poland posted...gunplagirl posted...She's worried about her narrative.The only "welfare queens" living off the government are multi billion dollar corporations. Especially with the recent tax reforms. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darkrobotisback 02/13/18 10:19:59 PM #64: |
SageHarpuia posted...
It was meant to sustain a person/small family for a couple of weeks or so. It happens more often than you think. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrPeppers 02/13/18 10:21:11 PM #65: |
southcoast09 posted...
DontStop4Cops posted...southcoast09 posted...Thank goodness because most people acted like I was making it up. I grew up in Baton Rouge and I remember seeing the carts piled high with food that my family couldnt afford. Couldnt afford because we were paying for them to eat name brand for free. Oh God my ex used to live in the Central area. I went to undergrad at LSU and there was a bunch of foodstamp abuse from what I saw when I was there. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 02/13/18 10:22:43 PM #66: |
Capn Circus posted...
Such luxuries could readily be afforded if the surplus were not allowed to fall in to the hands of individuals. Jeff bezos, richest man in history, is praised while there's regular articles about unsafe and unethical working conditions, such as overworking employees. One thing people always overlook when they pull that "this isn't possible without capitalism" line is that for millennia prior to capitalism arising? People still would have researched and created things to aid in the advancement of various aspects of life. Even under capitalism, there's always been people who went out of their way to further studies in various scientific fields so as to advance those subjects and society as a whole. If anything, capitalism has held us back in recent decades as demonstrated by the fact that research and the like is so expensive that researchers on the cutting edge of their fields are almost always stuck in an endless loop of seeking funding through grants and the like to continue their research. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DontStop4Cops 02/13/18 10:24:01 PM #67: |
Someone please shut this girl up.
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gunplagirl 02/13/18 10:25:55 PM #68: |
thanosibe posted...
gunplagirl posted...thanosibe posted...I actually worked at Walmart back in 2011 for a bit because it paid better than unemployment. And yeah it was a struggle. I donated plasma to supplement my wages. I'm not saying that EBT is a bad thing. Just that it needs to be refined. Like how in the 90's working in a convience store I see five kids come in with a dollar food stamp each, each buy a 10 cent candy and then go to the car for the adult to come in and use that change to buy beer or cigs. No not all people abuse the system. But every step we take to insure government aid is used in the best possible way to benefit the recipients and stop the abusers is good. Even if that means people on EBT have to buy lobster with their own cash.Soviet_Poland posted...gunplagirl posted...She's worried about her narrative.The only "welfare queens" living off the government are multi billion dollar corporations. Especially with the recent tax reforms. Do you think EBT allotments should be determined by panels on a case by case basis? For instance, taking their employability in to account, rent costs in that area, etc.? --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yusiko 02/13/18 10:25:56 PM #69: |
maybe this person helped someone move and was going to get paid for it the day after so they decided to treat their family to something special for once by buying steak a meat they couldnt buy very often.
unless you know the entire story you really shouldnt judge --- yusketeer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 02/13/18 10:28:17 PM #70: |
DontStop4Cops posted...
Someone please shut this girl up. Yes, I am a girl. Does it offend you that a woman is posting about the flaws of capitalism? --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lordgold666 02/13/18 10:28:27 PM #71: |
DontStop4Cops posted...
It always pisses me off when I see people buying family packs of ribeyes or even ENTIRE FUCKING SLABS with their Louisiana EBT cards. Ive seen a woman buy 5 live lobsters, just a few examples. Who cares what they spend it on? If they want to waste their food $ on lobster dinners, let em When its the 15th of the month and theyre starving bc of it, its not our fault --- Xbox GT: l0rdg0ld666 | 3DS FC: 1848-2391-0198 [LXGC] - Lethal Xbox Gaming crew ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ProfDE 02/13/18 11:59:45 PM #72: |
I do think EBT should not work for snack food like cookies and chips because they have low or no nutritional value so they can pay out of pocket if they want that.
I also think it should be a maximum of 6 months. If you can't get your stuff together in 6 months to be able to pay your bills, you aren't putting in the effort. When I quit my life insurance job, I had a new job not even a month later even though it was December which is generally when places don't hire. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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emblem boy 02/14/18 1:10:55 AM #73: |
ProfDE posted...
I do think EBT should not work for snack food like cookies and chips because they have low or no nutritional value so they can pay out of pocket if they want that. To qualify for SNAP, if you're an able bodied adult with no kids, you already need to have a job. If you don't have a job, you're disqualified after 3 months. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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southcoast09 02/14/18 1:21:22 AM #74: |
emblem boy posted...
ProfDE posted...I do think EBT should not work for snack food like cookies and chips because they have low or no nutritional value so they can pay out of pocket if they want that. At which point about 95% of the people just renew the process and start over. --- Stand for the anthem or sit for the game! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 02/14/18 1:27:38 AM #75: |
southcoast09 posted...
emblem boy posted...ProfDE posted...I do think EBT should not work for snack food like cookies and chips because they have low or no nutritional value so they can pay out of pocket if they want that. And still qualify because 1) they're paying for the benefits 2) they still qualify because their income is not high enough --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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southcoast09 02/14/18 1:37:20 AM #76: |
Well, thanks for proving my point. Theres nothing stopping people from receiving unlimited benefits.
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gunplagirl 02/14/18 1:44:10 AM #77: |
So what, they should just starve after a certain point?
Any increased scrutiny or limitations on renewal will always affect those with disabilities and those unable to improve their situation. Your obsession with starving them in order to feel like you aren't being used is terrible. Even moreso if you never bother complaining about the massive corporations receiving government money and incentives without having to actually create or move jobs to the US. Get your priorities straight because the latter also accounts for most of your tax dollars. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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southcoast09 02/14/18 1:52:48 AM #78: |
No, they should get a damn job. Not working and having luxuries in life dont go hand in hand.
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gunplagirl 02/14/18 2:10:52 AM #79: |
And as just stated, most who use them for more than a few months at a time have jobs
The problem isn't them, it's the businesses refusing to give them livable wages, or hours, or both --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Squirtle_ 02/14/18 2:14:11 AM #80: |
Shit food like chips, soda, alcohol, donuts, and candy should definitely be excluded. Steak is fine since it has nutritional value.
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WizardofHoth 02/14/18 5:03:00 AM #81: |
Quit starting lies etc, Squurtle.
You can't buy booze in the first place anyway when using a SNAP card. Especially the liars that make stupid comments about lobster. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 02/14/18 5:14:45 AM #82: |
The idea of limits is okay but steak and lobsters shouldn't be part of the excluded items.
I'd exclude shit like beer, and food which has no purpose except to be really expensive like saffron. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Frosted_Midna 02/14/18 5:17:58 AM #83: |
You can't even buy alcohol with a food stamps card. Anyone who says otherwise has never worked retail.
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Tyranthraxus 02/14/18 5:19:44 AM #84: |
Frosted_Midna posted...
You can't even buy alcohol with a food stamps card. Anyone who says otherwise has never worked retail. I didn't think you could, I'm just saying it as a general response to the "they can do whatever they want" crowd. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheoryzC 02/14/18 5:45:19 AM #85: |
HeyPuff posted...
Being from the ghetto, I have never ever seen anyone buy high end shit with food stamps. Brand name snacks, sure. Not any fucking lobster or filet mignon Seriously. I never seen that shit in my life lol People don't buy and cook that shit themselves --- This is where my sigs suppose to be. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 02/14/18 5:57:51 AM #86: |
SageHarpuia posted...
It doesnt bother me at all what they spend it on. Once it is theirs, it is theirs and they are the only ones who need to care if they spent it terribly. @SageHarpuia How so? Unneeded restrictions do nothing but raise costs. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thanosibe 02/14/18 7:56:20 AM #87: |
gunplagirl posted...
thanosibe posted...Is that not how it done now? If not, yes I think that's how it should work. I know that's how WIC was done when we used it and how our boys qualify for Medicaid now.gunplagirl posted...thanosibe posted...I actually worked at Walmart back in 2011 for a bit because it paid better than unemployment. And yeah it was a struggle. I donated plasma to supplement my wages. I'm not saying that EBT is a bad thing. Just that it needs to be refined. Like how in the 90's working in a convience store I see five kids come in with a dollar food stamp each, each buy a 10 cent candy and then go to the car for the adult to come in and use that change to buy beer or cigs. No not all people abuse the system. But every step we take to insure government aid is used in the best possible way to benefit the recipients and stop the abusers is good. Even if that means people on EBT have to buy lobster with their own cash.Soviet_Poland posted...gunplagirl posted...She's worried about her narrative.The only "welfare queens" living off the government are multi billion dollar corporations. Especially with the recent tax reforms. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZombiePelican 02/14/18 8:03:51 AM #89: |
DontStop4Cops posted...
southcoast09 posted...Thank goodness because most people acted like I was making it up. I grew up in Baton Rouge and I remember seeing the carts piled high with food that my family couldnt afford. Couldnt afford because we were paying for them to eat name brand for free. Of course two BR locals are all for this. Living up to expectations as usual guys. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 02/14/18 8:43:27 AM #90: |
thanosibe posted...
Is that not how it done now? If not, yes I think that's how it should work. I know that's how WIC was done when we used it and how our boys qualify for Medicaid now. Remember that "would you qualify to immigrate to America under Trump" multiple choice thing a few months ago? That's how they do it in most states, fill out the info, provide proof of income, and then you get the card not long after some beauracrat visually confirms the proof of income aspect. The "you need to reapply to keep enrolled" thing is automatic and has you generally get a phone call or mail, or both. It's expensive to run a panel that would review and determine how much you get, plus human biases, plus there's the whole "how would somebody with no money who gets told they don't qualify for much or any at all appeal" thing. The fact you think that's how it is done shows you havenhavent bothered to educate yourself on the matter, yet you can speak with such conviction on why it's a terrible system. Imagine that. --- Pokemon Moon FC: 1994-2190-5020 IGN: Vanessa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZeldaMutant 02/14/18 8:57:55 AM #91: |
It's not like they magically get more money by buying expensive foods. If they splurge, it will end up hurting them in the end. Either they'll have to eat cheap food for the rest of the month, starve, or spend more of their non-SNAP money on food. In any case, they're the one taking the loss, not the government.
If people decide to save money to celebrate something, that's fine. --- 96065 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 02/14/18 9:04:12 AM #92: |
ZeldaMutant posted...
It's not like they magically get more money by buying expensive foods. If they splurge, it will end up hurting them in the end. Either they'll have to eat cheap food for the rest of the month, starve, or spend more of their non-SNAP money on food. In any case, they're the one taking the loss, not the government. Yeah, this is the sensible way to look at it. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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fire_bolt 02/14/18 9:05:50 AM #93: |
LightHawKnight posted...
Most people use it properly. Kinda cruel to punish everyone for what some people do. Just punish those people. The thing is, if they're using SNAP properly then they're ALREADY self regulating to the kinds of foods people are suggesting. If you're buying lots of sodas/prepackaged foods/luxury meats then your SNAP will not last an entire month, maybe not an entire week. If you're buying lots of staple cooking ingredients, fresh veggies, stuff to home cook sweets, etc then your SNAP WILL stretch. So why NOT limit it to the things people should be buying? It wouldn't effect people already doing the right thing and would stop other people from abusing the system --- If her hips don't break, you didn't "carry" hard enough" -SpunkySix http://steamcommunity.com/id/bolt_thundara/wishlist ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FluttershyPony 02/14/18 9:11:24 AM #94: |
"AHM A SINGLE MOTHA AND AHM ENTATeLD TO DESE ERR RIBE EYE STAYKS N MA BROWN SAUSS FOR MA BOI HE GON B A BASKETBALL PLAYER N NEEDS TA EAT NOW GIME MORE FOOD STAMPS"
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uwnim 02/14/18 9:11:51 AM #95: |
fire_bolt posted...
LightHawKnight posted...Most people use it properly. Kinda cruel to punish everyone for what some people do. Just punish those people. Buying the wrong thing isnt abusing the system. And it would affect those doing the right thing, theres nothing wrong with say buying your kid a cake for their birthday. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DontStop4Cops 02/14/18 9:13:02 AM #96: |
FluttershyPony posted...
"AHM A SINGLE MOTHA AND AHM ENTATeLD TO DESE ERR RIBE EYE STAYKS N MA BROWN SAUSS FOR MA BOI HE GON B A BASKETBALL PLAYER N NEEDS TA EAT NOW GIME MORE FOOD STAMPS" That is literally how they think in south Louisiana. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 02/14/18 9:15:28 AM #97: |
"They" in quotation marks, meaning people of color
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DontStop4Cops 02/14/18 9:18:25 AM #98: |
What the fuck is this girl even rambling about? No one is reading your stupid fucking drivel. Go watch anime or some other weeaboo shit.
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TheGrindery 02/14/18 9:20:54 AM #99: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
why does buying steak piss you off? It's like he thinks they don't have to stretch it. Like you can say you're out and you'll get more before the next month. The people being irresponsible with them learn in a hurry that it sucks to do without for the last week because they didn't budget. They typically don't do it again the next month. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DiegoSanchez206 02/14/18 9:21:52 AM #100: |
You shouldnt be able to buy energy drinks with them. That shit is a waste of money and has zero nutritional benefit.
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TheGrindery 02/14/18 9:22:53 AM #101: |
DontStop4Cops posted...
What the fuck is this girl even rambling about? No one is reading your stupid fucking drivel. Go watch anime or some other weeaboo shit. If you can't handle him at his worst.. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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