sociopaths are comparable to animals and inferior to humans?

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Mister_Spyker 02/12/18 8:56:46 PM #1:	80/80 I was thinking The only way in which we truly differ from animals is in the fact that we possess a conscience that allows us to distinguish between what is good and what is evil not just what is right and not right \| Animals can know that too But the concept of morality is lost on them While an animal knows through its education that it's not supposed to do certain things \| the only reason it doesn't do them is because of the consequences Same as your run of the mill sociopath \| who understands that certain behaviors are not socially acceptable \| and yet sees no moral problem in taking a fellow mans' life \| or lying cheating and stealing his way to the top Would this justify the execution of sociopaths the way we justify the slaughter of animals? I am sorry for the mess \| My keyboard can't do commas --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:895971703] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>80/80 I was thinking The only way in which we truly differ from animals is in the fact that we possess a conscience that allows us to distinguish between what is good and what is evil not just what is right and not right \| Animals can know that too But the concept of morality is lost on them While an animal knows through its education that it's not supposed to do certain things \| the only reason it doesn't do them is because of the consequences Same as your run of the mill sociopath \| who understands that certain behaviors are not socially acceptable \| and yet sees no moral problem in taking a fellow mans' life \| or lying cheating and stealing his way to the top Would this justify the execution of sociopaths the way we justify the slaughter of animals? I am sorry for the mess \| My keyboard can't do commas</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 02/12/18 8:57:37 PM #2:	No. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:895971759] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/12/18 8:58:58 PM #3:	supposedly, in ancient humans, high-functioning autism humans would often become like top hunters and stuff but they were like quiet and awkward you know except at hunting not really related but just interesting to think about like savants exist now imagine hunting savants --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:895971845] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>supposedly, in ancient humans, high-functioning autism humans would often become like top hunters and stuff but they were like quiet and awkward you know except at hunting not really related but just interesting to think about like savants exist now imagine hunting savants</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 02/12/18 8:59:24 PM #4:	sociopaths dont merely operate on the principle of crime and punishment they also understand that following rules that allow for a functioning social group frequently has greater potential to benefit them than not following those rules would it means they don't ever place the group's function above themselves but it doesn't mean they smash social cohesion just to see what happens --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:895971871] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>sociopaths dont merely operate on the principle of crime and punishment they also understand that following rules that allow for a functioning social group frequently has greater potential to benefit them than not following those rules would it means they don't ever place the group's function above themselves but it doesn't mean they smash social cohesion just to see what happens</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 02/12/18 8:59:55 PM #5:	no --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:895971901] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>no</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 02/12/18 9:00:05 PM #6:	The concept of your title is flawed. It suggests that animals are inferior to humans <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:895971915] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>The concept of your title is flawed. It suggests that animals are inferior to humans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Link HT 02/12/18 9:01:00 PM #7:	YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... supposedly, in ancient humans, high-functioning autism humans would often become like top hunters and stuff but they were like quiet and awkward you know except at hunting not really related but just interesting to think about like savants exist now imagine hunting savants citation needed --- http://i.imgur.com/Tx1FX.jpg <cite>Link HT posted [p:895971965] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...</cite> <quote>supposedly, in ancient humans, high-functioning autism humans would often become like top hunters and stuff but they were like quiet and awkward you know except at hunting not really related but just interesting to think about like savants exist now imagine hunting savants</quote> citation needed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/12/18 9:03:00 PM #8:	Link HT posted... YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... supposedly, in ancient humans, high-functioning autism humans would often become like top hunters and stuff but they were like quiet and awkward you know except at hunting not really related but just interesting to think about like savants exist now imagine hunting savants citation needed https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110603122849.htm The paper looks at how autism's strengths may have played a role in evolution. Individuals on the autism spectrum would have had the mental tools to be self-sufficient foragers in environments marked by diminished social contact, Reser said. The penchant for obsessive, repetitive activities would have been focused by hunger and thirst towards the learning and refinement of hunting and gathering skills. Journal Reference: Jared Edward Reser. Conceptualizing the autism spectrum in terms of natural selection and behavioral ecology: The solitary forager hypothesis. Evolutionary Psychology, 2011; 9 (2): 207-238 --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:895972076] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>Link HT posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...</cite> <quote>supposedly, in ancient humans, high-functioning autism humans would often become like top hunters and stuff but they were like quiet and awkward you know except at hunting not really related but just interesting to think about like savants exist now imagine hunting savants</quote> citation needed</quote> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110603122849.htm <quote>The paper looks at how autism's strengths may have played a role in evolution. Individuals on the autism spectrum would have had the mental tools to be self-sufficient foragers in environments marked by diminished social contact, Reser said. The penchant for obsessive, repetitive activities would have been focused by hunger and thirst towards the learning and refinement of hunting and gathering skills. Journal Reference: Jared Edward Reser. Conceptualizing the autism spectrum in terms of natural selection and behavioral ecology: The solitary forager hypothesis. Evolutionary Psychology, 2011; 9 (2): 207-238</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mister_Spyker 02/12/18 9:04:26 PM #9:	Darklit_Minuet posted... The concept of your title is flawed. It suggests that animals are inferior to humans In this regard are they not? --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:895972176] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of your title is flawed. It suggests that animals are inferior to humans</quote> In this regard are they not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
justaguy3492 02/12/18 9:05:05 PM #10:	YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... supposedly, in ancient humans, high-functioning autism humans would often become like top hunters and stuff but they were like quiet and awkward you know except at hunting not really related but just interesting to think about like savants exist now imagine hunting savants Got a source for that? I only ask because that sounds like what something a NEET who's a wanna be sociopath would tell themselves to get by. --- Gt: justaguy3492 <cite>justaguy3492 posted [p:895972219] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...</cite> <quote>supposedly, in ancient humans, high-functioning autism humans would often become like top hunters and stuff but they were like quiet and awkward you know except at hunting not really related but just interesting to think about like savants exist now imagine hunting savants</quote> Got a source for that? I only ask because that sounds like what something a NEET who's a wanna be sociopath would tell themselves to get by.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/12/18 9:05:31 PM #11:	Mister_Spyker posted... Darklit_Minuet posted... The concept of your title is flawed. It suggests that animals are inferior to humans In this regard are they not? iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc justaguy3492 posted... Got a source for that? I only ask because that sounds like what something a NEET who's a wanna be sociopath would tell themselves to get by. check above --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:895972246] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darklit_Minuet posted...</cite> <quote>The concept of your title is flawed. It suggests that animals are inferior to humans</quote> In this regard are they not?</quote> iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc <cite>justaguy3492 posted...</cite> <quote>Got a source for that? I only ask because that sounds like what something a NEET who's a wanna be sociopath would tell themselves to get by. </quote> check above</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mister_Spyker 02/12/18 9:16:51 PM #12:	YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc Yes, but they can't write Hamlet --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:895972962] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...</cite> <quote>iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc </quote> Yes, but they can't write Hamlet</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 02/12/18 9:17:05 PM #13:	Mister_Spyker posted... YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc Yes, but they can't write Hamlet can you? --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:895972974] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...</cite> <quote>iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc </quote> Yes, but they can't write Hamlet</quote> can you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Electrokinesis 02/12/18 9:20:31 PM #14:	Antifar posted... No. --- It's scientifically impossible for pants to feel "pain". ~ TheRealItachi <cite>Electrokinesis posted [p:895973175] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>No.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 02/12/18 9:21:47 PM #15:	Many animals highly depend on social interactions, so being social makes you more animal than not... <cite>Hexagon posted [p:895973235] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>Many animals highly depend on social interactions, so being social makes you more animal than not...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Quol 02/12/18 9:27:51 PM #16:	chill02 posted... Mister_Spyker posted... YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc Yes, but they can't write Hamlet can you? Boom. Biologically they are humans and so are they are comparable to other humans. <cite>Quol posted [p:895973602] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...</cite> <quote>iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc </quote> Yes, but they can't write Hamlet</quote> can you?</quote> Boom. Biologically they are humans and so are they are comparable to other humans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 02/12/18 10:03:18 PM #17:	This thread is now "what animal brains can do that ours can't" Birds can sleep with half of their brain only and remain alert with the other half. Can you? <cite>Hexagon posted [p:895975797] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>This thread is now "what animal brains can do that ours can't" Birds can sleep with half of their brain only and remain alert with the other half. Can you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mister_Spyker 02/12/18 10:05:04 PM #18:	chill02 posted... Mister_Spyker posted... YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc Yes, but they can't write Hamlet can you? Absolutely, I can copy it any day I can originally produce a diary for example, I can create music, I can assemble a machine to make my life easier, I can reach an agreement with my neighbor to make life easier for both of us, I can communicate in abstract sentences, etc no animal can do these things This is not the discussion I am trying to have Animals have no sense of morality, the way normal humans do, just like sociopaths don't have a moral compass Hexagon posted... Many animals highly depend on social interactions, so being social makes you more animal than not... Sociopaths tend to be able to function quite well socially, mainly treating someone as a means to an end --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:895975904] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...</cite> <quote>iirc basically wild animals sacrifice our kind of cognitive thinking for insane reaction times and precision, energy efficiency, etc </quote> Yes, but they can't write Hamlet</quote> can you?</quote> Absolutely, I can copy it any day I can originally produce a diary for example, I can create music, I can assemble a machine to make my life easier, I can reach an agreement with my neighbor to make life easier for both of us, I can communicate in abstract sentences, etc no animal can do these things This is not the discussion I am trying to have Animals have no sense of morality, the way normal humans do, just like sociopaths don't have a moral compass <cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>Many animals highly depend on social interactions, so being social makes you more animal than not...</quote> Sociopaths tend to be able to function quite well socially, mainly treating someone as a means to an end</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/12/18 10:07:10 PM #19:	Hexagon posted... This thread is now "what animal brains can do that ours can't" Birds can sleep with half of their brain only and remain alert with the other half. Can you? maybe if I have a tv on or whatever while I'm asleep sometimes the sounds around me become part of whatever I'm dreaming about --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:895976050] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>This thread is now "what animal brains can do that ours can't" Birds can sleep with half of their brain only and remain alert with the other half. Can you?</quote> maybe if I have a tv on or whatever while I'm asleep sometimes the sounds around me become part of whatever I'm dreaming about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 02/12/18 10:50:40 PM #20:	Mister_Spyker posted... Absolutely, I can copy it any day I can originally produce a diary for example, I can create music, I can assemble a machine to make my life easier, I can reach an agreement with my neighbor to make life easier for both of us, I can communicate in abstract sentences, etc no animal can do these things This is not the discussion I am trying to have No, I meant, can you write something like Hamlet? --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:895978351] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote>Absolutely, I can copy it any day I can originally produce a diary for example, I can create music, I can assemble a machine to make my life easier, I can reach an agreement with my neighbor to make life easier for both of us, I can communicate in abstract sentences, etc no animal can do these things This is not the discussion I am trying to have</quote> No, I meant, can you write something like Hamlet?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 02/12/18 11:03:41 PM #21:	Mister_Spyker posted... Sociopaths tend to be able to function quite well socially, mainly treating someone as a means to an end Any many animals develop anxiety and stress when removed from their population because they don't merely treat someone as a means to an end. Your point? <cite>Hexagon posted [p:895979013] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote>Sociopaths tend to be able to function quite well socially, mainly treating someone as a means to an end</quote> Any many animals develop anxiety and stress when removed from their population because they don't merely treat someone as a means to an end. Your point?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShotOJameson 02/12/18 11:48:34 PM #22:	Animals don't have the ability to lie. Humans do. Animals > humans --- http://i.imgur.com/Bz19U.gif <cite>ShotOJameson posted [p:895981169] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>Animals don't have the ability to lie. Humans do. Animals > humans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/13/18 2:27:34 AM #23:	ShotOJameson posted... Animals don't have the ability to lie. Humans do. Animals > humans yes they do --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:895987034] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>Animals don't have the ability to lie. Humans do. Animals > humans</quote> yes they do</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DocDelicious 02/13/18 2:33:55 AM #24:	Implying that humans are not animals and are somehow above the others. --- o7 Let strength be granted so the world might be mended. <cite>DocDelicious posted [p:895987207] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>Implying that humans are not animals and are somehow above the others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ShotOJameson 02/13/18 2:41:29 AM #25:	YOUHAVENOHOPE posted... ShotOJameson posted... Animals don't have the ability to lie. Humans do. Animals > humans yes they do does your dog lie to you or something? --- http://i.imgur.com/Bz19U.gif <cite>ShotOJameson posted [p:895987406] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>Animals don't have the ability to lie. Humans do. Animals > humans</quote> yes they do</quote> does your dog lie to you or something?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 02/13/18 2:48:37 AM #26:	Mister_Spyker posted... I was thinking No you weren't --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. http://i.imgtc.com/tHc3mIo.png http://i.imgtc.com/PYxw8Lm.png <cite>Irony posted [p:895987602] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote>I was thinking</quote> No you weren't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mister_Spyker 02/13/18 7:05:19 AM #27:	chill02 posted... No, I meant, can you write something like Hamlet? Of the same quality? I never tried it, maybe I could. This is not the argument though. ShotOJameson posted... Animals don't have the ability to lie. Humans do. Animals > humans Yes, their mind is not sophisticated enough for such a complex ability. It can be good, but it also means they are lesa advanced than us. I'm not saying I agree with animal slaughter based on superiority, hell, I don't eat meat or drink milk, but the point is - there are key differences between animals and humans, which is why we are in a different ballpark. I'm saying, since sociopaths are inherently different from normal humans, would that make them inferior? --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:895992584] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote>No, I meant, can you write something like Hamlet?</quote> Of the same quality? I never tried it, maybe I could. This is not the argument though. <cite>ShotOJameson posted...</cite> <quote>Animals don't have the ability to lie. Humans do. Animals > humans</quote> Yes, their mind is not sophisticated enough for such a complex ability. It can be good, but it also means they are lesa advanced than us. I'm not saying I agree with animal slaughter based on superiority, hell, I don't eat meat or drink milk, but the point is - there are key differences between animals and humans, which is why we are in a different ballpark. I'm saying, since sociopaths are inherently different from normal humans, would that make them inferior?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 02/13/18 7:18:43 AM #28:	That makes little sense, your argument lies in setting the bar at capabilities that human brains have and compare every living things based on that trait. You might as well be grading a fish on its ability to climb trees. The brains of the mantis shrimp that has over 10 photoreceptors in its eyes and being able to process all that information in a way that doesn't overload its brain, or the homing pigeon that can recall an amazing amount of geography, or the chameleon's disjointed eye and visual mapping, or the whales ability to live underwater without drowning even when it sleeps are all amazingly sophisticated. But of course those traits don't interest you as a human because your quality of life is fine the way it is. Much like the homing pigeon's is without needed to be able to write Hamlet. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:895992884] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>That makes little sense, your argument lies in setting the bar at capabilities that human brains have and compare every living things based on that trait. You might as well be grading a fish on its ability to climb trees. The brains of the mantis shrimp that has over 10 photoreceptors in its eyes and being able to process all that information in a way that doesn't overload its brain, or the homing pigeon that can recall an amazing amount of geography, or the chameleon's disjointed eye and visual mapping, or the whales ability to live underwater without drowning even when it sleeps are all amazingly sophisticated. But of course those traits don't interest you as a human because your quality of life is fine the way it is. Much like the homing pigeon's is without needed to be able to write Hamlet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mister_Spyker 02/13/18 10:23:14 AM #29:	I think that's a fair argument. --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:895999159] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>I think that's a fair argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HashtagTartarus 02/13/18 8:54:49 PM #30:	No. Intelligent ones will understand that playing nicely with the rest of society benefits them. Also, on Windows you can hold Alt and press 044 on your numpad to type out a comma. --- https://puu.sh/tsvPi/2281d37d96.png https://puu.sh/vbW49/579c34013a.png <cite>HashtagTartarus posted [p:896036038] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>No. Intelligent ones will understand that playing nicely with the rest of society benefits them. Also, on Windows you can hold Alt and press 044 on your numpad to type out a comma.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 02/13/18 9:09:56 PM #31:	I honestly don't think of them as people. Humans, but not people. They are literally irredeemable. They only act and can only ever act with themselves in mind. They are like wild animals. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:896036951] in Do you thi... [t:76313013]...</cite> <quote>I honestly don't think of them as people. Humans, but not people. They are literally irredeemable. They only act and can only ever act with themselves in mind. They are like wild animals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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