Current Events > Japanese economist warns against becoming like Sweden due to mass immigration

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Intro2Logic posted...

If the US applied Sweden's handling of rape claims, Admiral would decry it as feminist SJW bullshit.

*Gives gamefaqs gold and upvotes*

UnholyMudcrab posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

The Admiral posted...

Doesn't fit their narrative.

Kind of like you leaving out the reasons for Sweden's rape statistics.

Enlighten us

It was already explained, and you clumsily attempted to brush it off.

No i get it, my point is still that crime goes up as mass immigration from the 3rd world goes up.

The only logical option is to lower immigration, be more selective about it and demand integration. If you move to Rome, then be Roman.

The guy I the video literally said that all this immigration is essentially creating mini countries inside a country where it's over 80% immigrants.
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AverageCEgal posted...

sweden counts sexual assault as rape iirc
and it counts each rape as a different assault and charge
ie a man groping a woman's boobs five times is considered as raping her five times

i don't think that's accurate.
that would be five instances of Sexual assault or exploitation, yes, but not five instances of Rape
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Axiom posted...

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Weird how no one can ever explain the problems with Sweden.

It's the Rape Capital of the world

And Honduras, which is part of North America, is the Murder Capital of the world.
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ROBANN_88 posted...

AverageCEgal posted...

sweden counts sexual assault as rape iirc
and it counts each rape as a different assault and charge
ie a man groping a woman's boobs five times is considered as raping her five times

i don't think that's accurate.
that would be five instances of Sexual assault or exploitation, yes, but not five instances of Rape

Sweden considers all forms of sexual assault as rape, so in their case yea it would be five instances of rape.
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Ah Sweden, land of hand grenade attacks and nightclub bombings.
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I'm not sure what they're so afraid of. It's a ludicrously expensive country with an extremely insular culture and one of the most difficult major languages to become functional in. Probably the only first-world country I can think of where a foreigner with an advanced degree/skill and native-level language skills would still have a rough time socially and economically, alongside South Korea.

Even desperate immigrants probably wouldn't consider it a hot choice.

ROBANN_88 posted...

why is it that when Balancelost, FF_redux or scar says it's all sunshine and rainbows, people go "well, he's actually from Sweden so he must be right"

yet when i, another guy from Sweden disagree with them, it's more often ignored?

Hey! It is all sunshine and rainbows!
Remember that time where I linked (and translated excerpts from) a BR report finding that immigrants were over-represented in violent crime? I did that (oh and btw when I did, CEs_EFG couldn't shut up through multiple topics about how the study was ten years old, even though it literally admitted immigrants were over-represented). I also translated an excerpt from another BR report explaining how they had noticed an increase in gang rapes specifically committed by young, foreign men. I forget if the report explicitly stated they were refugees or just immigrants.
I'm happy to acknowledge the facts. But I'm not interested in cherry-picking the facts to suit a specific, anti-immigrant agenda. For example, the most common rape in Sweden with more than one rapist is still done by Swedes, typically two or more guys at a party. See, the thing that irks me with a lot of the people who make noise about immigrants and rape is that they seem to think it's wrong not because it's something women shouldn't be subjected to, but because it's immigrants doing it. A terrific example would be Joakim Lamotte, who spends his time either frollicking in particularly gruesome rape cases, or undermining and libeling people who work with this shit all the time. People who spend their careers and their free time working with victims, with preventive efforts, going around to schools trying to actually make change. Those are the kinds of people he regularly libels, which instantly results in them getting tons and tons of hate, threats, etc. because they don't care enough about immigrant rape specifically. Now sure, I don't doubt that some (or even many) of the people who are worried about immigrants raping their way through Europe have the best intentions, but I don't really care for such carefully constructed narratives, because in the wake of them, anyone who dares to suggest that it might be a bigger, more fundamental issue, gets viciously attacked.

Sorry for the mini rant, I think you see where I'm going with this. And honestly, while it really is all sunshine and rainbows, I've been happy to admit that it isn't all sunshine and rainbows.
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s0nicfan posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

AverageCEgal posted...

sweden counts sexual assault as rape iirc
and it counts each rape as a different assault and charge
ie a man groping a woman's boobs five times is considered as raping her five times

i don't think that's accurate.
that would be five instances of Sexual assault or exploitation, yes, but not five instances of Rape

Sweden considers all forms of sexual assault as rape, so in their case yea it would be five instances of rape.

i mean, i'm looking at the statistics of 2016 from BR, and it's cleaely separated in different categories
https://www.bra.se/brott-och-statistik/statistik-utifran-brottstyper/valdtakt-och-sexualbrott.html
in the fifth chart, under "Anmlda sexualbrott"
the purple line is Rape, the yellow i believe translates to Sexual Assaults
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scar the 1 posted...

For example, the most common rape in Sweden with more than one rapist is still done by Swedes, typically two or more guys at a party.

i would love to see a source on that, i wonder where that's from considering that the left parties have blocked all attempts to gather that kind of statistics for years, saying it "would just help dark forces"
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

The Admiral posted...

Doesn't fit their narrative.

Kind of like you leaving out the reasons for Sweden's rape statistics.

Burn!!!
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ROBANN_88 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

For example, the most common rape in Sweden with more than one rapist is still done by Swedes, typically two or more guys at a party.

i would love to see a source on that, i wonder where that's from considering that the left parties have blocked all attempts to gather that kind of statistics for years, saying it "would just help dark forces"

I'll refer you to Nina Rung, a criminologist who works specially with sexual assault/rape issues. That's who I heard it from.
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scar the 1 posted...

Sorry for the mini rant, I think you see where I'm going with this.

yes, i do see.
i want to point out that that post wasn't directed at you but rather anyone who sues the "he's from Sweden so he must be right" argument, that it is used very inconsistently, only in the "sunshine and rainbows" direction, and never in the other direction for some reason.

and that it's a stupid argument to begin with.
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While I come off as kinda SJW, both BL and FF come off as very neutral. That might be why they're taken so seriously? Idk
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scar the 1 posted...

I'll refer you to Nina Rung, a criminologist who works specially with sexual assault/rape issues. That's who I heard it from.

maybe i'm terrible at googling, but if you could point in a more specific direction to find this, that would be great
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Remember how TC said he recruits people into the alt-right/white nationalism online?

Pepperidge Farm remembers
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ROBANN_88 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

I'll refer you to Nina Rung, a criminologist who works specially with sexual assault/rape issues. That's who I heard it from.

maybe i'm terrible at googling, but if you could point in a more specific direction to find this, that would be great

I've seen her say it several times, most recently she put up a text on Instagram in response to Lamotte's libel of her and the attacks that followed. I recommend you follow her anyway. You might not like her ideologically, but she's a well-read original who really knows what she's talking about.
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Bat178 posted...

Is slowly dying out from lack of immigration and a declining birthrate any better?

I really wonder if this is just scare tactic to take in immigrants. They say that same thing about every country. I mean every country that could potentially take in more immigrants.
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Sami1000 posted...

I really wonder if this is just scare tactic to take in immigrants. They say that same thing about every country. I mean every country that could potentially take in more immigrants.

Every "western" country is having this exact problem. Importing refugees is not a good solution.



That's the fertility rate of countries in 2016. Notice the color of Japan in comparison to all of Europe (except France for some reason)
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Doom_Art posted...

Remember how TC said he recruits people into the alt-right/white nationalism online?

Pepperidge Farm remembers

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Bishop9800 posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Remember how TC said he recruits people into the alt-right/white nationalism online?

Pepperidge Farm remembers

I missed that, but I remember when he complained about how "black culture is destroying America" and him posting on Stormfront.
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Sami1000 posted...

Bat178 posted...

Is slowly dying out from lack of immigration and a declining birthrate any better?

I really wonder if this is just scare tactic to take in immigrants. They say that same thing about every country. I mean every country that could potentially take in more immigrants.

It's a huge issue for Japan, because their population is much older than other countries. Those old people are going to die, but no one is going to be there to take their place.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

What does become like Sweden mean? Having a GDP growth rate three times as high as Japan? Higher wages than Japan? A debt that isn't over 100% of their GDP?

Weird how no one can ever explain the problems with Sweden.

The increased crime rates maybe? Nice deflecting though. Which of those positives were due to the sudden immigration change and not something they've always held for the past decades? Meanwhile their crime rates have undeniably skyrocketed.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

It's a huge issue for Japan, because their population is much older than other countries. Those old people are going to die, but no one is going to be there to take their place.

It's the same in most successful countries. Either way mass refugee importation is not the solution. (JP's median age is 46.1 btw, tied with Germany)
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Sami1000 posted...

Bat178 posted...

Is slowly dying out from lack of immigration and a declining birthrate any better?

I really wonder if this is just scare tactic to take in immigrants. They say that same thing about every country. I mean every country that could potentially take in more immigrants.

It's a huge issue for Japan, because their population is much older than other countries. Those old people are going to die, but no one is going to be there to take their place.

Japan though has many jobs that are not occupied. Their problem isn't that they're losing people, it's that people are not applying for jobs.

This is mentioned in the video.
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That map of Europe doesn't have Kosovo as an independent country - what are they trying to say?
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Malmo the most dangerous city in Sweden is as dangerous as NYC America's safest city.
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Paper_Okami posted...

Malmo the most dangerous city in Sweden is as dangerous as NYC America's safest city.

Malmo is the city in Sweden with the largest population of migrants. And the crime rates there are significantly under-reported for political reasons.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/how-sweden-became-an-example-of-how-not-to-handle-immigration/

But stories of shocking abuse, the kind that would be front-page news in Britain, are relegated to the inside pages of the Swedish press. Tragically, the reason for this is that there is so much of it. In the last few weeks, we have heard about child prostitutes being pimped out in parking lots, and a Palestinian 15-year-old who, it is feared, was forced into prostitution while living in a care home in Malmo. For some time now, children in care homes have been notoriously easy prey and many of them simply vanish over the past five years, well over a thousand have done so. These children face a sickeningly high risk of being sucked into a life of crime or even sex slavery. As their abusers well know, there is virtually no chance of anyone coming to look for the ones who go missing.

There is basically nothing we can do, says the head of Skane border police. In some cases, we dont even have descriptions of the children. So there is no means of identifying them no information about relatives. We have nothing to work with. Lisa Green, who monitors human trafficking in Malmo, has reported 40 cases of suspected child trafficking to the police over the past few years but says her complaints were not even recorded. Nobody is dealing with human trafficking, says Mattias Sigfridsson, head of the police department that deals with missing persons. We have no ability to do that right now there are no staff.

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RebelElite791 posted...

Bishop9800 posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Remember how TC said he recruits people into the alt-right/white nationalism online?

Pepperidge Farm remembers

I missed that, but I remember when he complained about how "black culture is destroying America" and him posting on Stormfront.

I mostly know him as a refuge that despises other refuges. He'll wax poetically about how all he cares about is that refugees should try their best to adapt to their host countries and adapt to the culture, then he'll turn around and start spouting white nationalist rhetoric and start talking about how terrible his host countries minority population is. For all his talk about how damaging refugees are for this country, he bends over backwards to prove it.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

cjsdowg posted...

Isn't Japan having an issue with their population growth ?

Isnt that a good thing? Everywhere else people keep pumping out new people, theres already an overpopulation of the human race.

Overpopulation isn't that big deal.

Uh... thats the number one problem in the world.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAsXu8U2h1Q

the other videos posted on that YouTube channel

Hmmmmm
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^

It was the first video i saw. There are other channels too that have that guys interview/speech.
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The Admiral posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

Malmo the most dangerous city in Sweden is as dangerous as NYC America's safest city.

Malmo is the city in Sweden with the largest population of migrants. And the crime rates there are significantly under-reported for political reasons.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/how-sweden-became-an-example-of-how-not-to-handle-immigration/

But stories of shocking abuse, the kind that would be front-page news in Britain, are relegated to the inside pages of the Swedish press. Tragically, the reason for this is that there is so much of it. In the last few weeks, we have heard about child prostitutes being pimped out in parking lots, and a Palestinian 15-year-old who, it is feared, was forced into prostitution while living in a care home in Malmo. For some time now, children in care homes have been notoriously easy prey and many of them simply vanish over the past five years, well over a thousand have done so. These children face a sickeningly high risk of being sucked into a life of crime or even sex slavery. As their abusers well know, there is virtually no chance of anyone coming to look for the ones who go missing.

There is basically nothing we can do, says the head of Skane border police. In some cases, we dont even have descriptions of the children. So there is no means of identifying them no information about relatives. We have nothing to work with. Lisa Green, who monitors human trafficking in Malmo, has reported 40 cases of suspected child trafficking to the police over the past few years but says her complaints were not even recorded. Nobody is dealing with human trafficking, says Mattias Sigfridsson, head of the police department that deals with missing persons. We have no ability to do that right now there are no staff.

What you say about Malm doesn't seem corroborated by the story you link, or the excerpt you quote. But yes, Sweden has had big issues integrating all the refugees that came here over the last two years. Integration has been difficult for even longer, but the refugee crisis really put too much stress on various instances in the pipeline. A lot of kids came into the country then disappeared. And yes, the police are understaffed. These are well known problems, and to my knowledge they're not under-reported.
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One of the things about Japan and immigration is just that its geographically and linguistically isolated. Not the easiest place to fit in.
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