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averagejoel
02/04/18 2:09:50 AM
#51:


Esrac posted...
Seems closer to suggesting everyone should have equal access to these luxuries without having to consider the financial sense of purchasing these luxuries. And employees who don't pay even their lowest employees enough to afford them should be maimed or killed.

itp: a roof over your head and food in your belly is a luxury
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Questionmarktarius
02/04/18 2:10:15 AM
#52:


Sorry about derailing this thread to Pontiac Fiero.
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flussence
02/04/18 2:10:46 AM
#53:


it's really easy to spot people indoctrinated by the likes of /pol/
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:13:08 AM
#54:


averagejoel posted...
Esrac posted...
Seems closer to suggesting everyone should have equal access to these luxuries without having to consider the financial sense of purchasing these luxuries. And employees who don't pay even their lowest employees enough to afford them should be maimed or killed.

itp: a roof over your head and food in your belly is a luxury


The government already provides assistance for people who don't make enough for housing/food, doesn't it?

And the point I made earlier is that your narrative is incomplete - it is ignoring the fact that the vast majority of working Americans could be and should be financially very stable. There's no reason not to thrive in this country (barring illness). People are making a lot of bad decisions that are directly affecting their housing and food choices and keeping them stuck.

IE when you tie up $479 a month on just a car payment you're kind of screwing yourself out of your own potential, all in the name of living beyond your means and wanting everything now.
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Verdekal
02/04/18 2:13:28 AM
#55:


I'm just discovering my inner Confucius.
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:13:56 AM
#56:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Sorry about derailing this thread to Pontiac Fiero.


A much better topic. The claims in the OP were unbelievably stupid and fine American vehicles are sexy.
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Questionmarktarius
02/04/18 2:15:27 AM
#57:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
And the point I made earlier is that your narrative is incomplete - it is ignoring the fact that the vast majority of working Americans could be and should be financially very stable. There's no reason not to thrive in this country (barring illness). People are making a lot of bad decisions that are directly affecting their housing and food choices and keeping them stuck.

Let's take this back to Dave Ramsey:
https://www.daveramsey.com/baby-steps

Hell, I'm still at #1, give or take skipping to 3.
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Millennials
02/04/18 2:15:42 AM
#58:


Capitalism will be the downfall of us all.
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averagejoel
02/04/18 2:16:23 AM
#59:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
Esrac posted...
Seems closer to suggesting everyone should have equal access to these luxuries without having to consider the financial sense of purchasing these luxuries. And employees who don't pay even their lowest employees enough to afford them should be maimed or killed.

itp: a roof over your head and food in your belly is a luxury


The government already provides assistance for people who don't make enough for housing/food, doesn't it?

And the point I made earlier is that your narrative is incomplete - it is ignoring the fact that the vast majority of working Americans could be and should be financially very stable. There's no reason not to thrive in this country (barring illness). People are making a lot of bad decisions that are directly affecting their housing and food choices and keeping them stuck.

IE when you tie up $479 a month on just a car payment you're kind of screwing yourself out of your own potential, all in the name of living beyond your means and wanting everything now.

1RXAVAb
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:18:17 AM
#60:


Millennials posted...
Capitalism will be the downfall of us all.


2017 was the best year in human history.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76274426
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flussence
02/04/18 2:18:34 AM
#61:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
And the point I made earlier is that your narrative is incomplete

why are you obsessing over the Perfectly Spherical And Frictionless Mathematical Abstract Model Of An Average American's $479 car repayments and not the fact they went over $150000 into debt to fund an illegal unending war
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Questionmarktarius
02/04/18 2:18:39 AM
#62:


Millennials posted...
Capitalism will be the downfall of us all.

Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else.
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Millennials
02/04/18 2:19:00 AM
#63:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Millennials posted...
Capitalism will be the downfall of us all.


2017 was the best year in human history.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76274426

You won't get me with your evil capitalist snake speak. Be gone you devil.
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averagejoel
02/04/18 2:19:25 AM
#64:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Millennials posted...
Capitalism will be the downfall of us all.


2017 was the best year in human history.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76274426

you're cartoonishly out of touch
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:20:09 AM
#65:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Let's take this back to Dave Ramsey:
https://www.daveramsey.com/baby-steps

Hell, I'm still at #1, give or take skipping to 3.


Nice :) I've got the first three down. Saving up for my first property which I wanna buy real soon.
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:22:37 AM
#66:


averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Millennials posted...
Capitalism will be the downfall of us all.


2017 was the best year in human history.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76274426

you're cartoonishly out of touch


It literally was the best year in human history on all kinds of objective measurements. All the data is sourced in the article linked there. What is out of touch there?
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averagejoel
02/04/18 2:23:09 AM
#67:


flussence posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
And the point I made earlier is that your narrative is incomplete

why are you obsessing over the Perfectly Spherical And Frictionless Mathematical Abstract Model Of An Average American's $479 car repayments and not the fact they went over $150000 into debt to fund an illegal unending war

because that would involve admitting a mistake, which requires some self awareness
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Questionmarktarius
02/04/18 2:23:20 AM
#68:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Let's take this back to Dave Ramsey:
https://www.daveramsey.com/baby-steps

Hell, I'm still at #1, give or take skipping to 3.


Nice :) I've got the first three down. Saving up for my first property which I wanna buy real soon.

I have a house. It's not a very good one, but I got it for $50K

The only debts I have are 39K on the house and 29K on student loans, over four colleges (most of which were just fucking off).
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flussence
02/04/18 2:24:41 AM
#69:


just imagine how many John Deere tractors every man woman and child in america could buy if they didn't irresponsibly spend on destabilizing avocado nation states
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averagejoel
02/04/18 2:24:42 AM
#70:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Millennials posted...
Capitalism will be the downfall of us all.


2017 was the best year in human history.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76274426

you're cartoonishly out of touch


It literally was the best year in human history on all kinds of objective measurements. All the data is sourced in the article linked there. What is out of touch there?

you are. as i said in the post you quoted
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Lorenzo_2003
02/04/18 2:24:49 AM
#71:


Questionmarktarius posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
You don't need to finance a brand new car for $479 a month. It's a depreciating asset.

It's actually worse than that.
The exact instant you drive a car off the lot, a third or half its value instantly evaporates.


I wish I had understood that better (and embraced it) when I was younger. It would have saved me thousands.
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:25:36 AM
#72:


averagejoel posted...
flussence posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
And the point I made earlier is that your narrative is incomplete

why are you obsessing over the Perfectly Spherical And Frictionless Mathematical Abstract Model Of An Average American's $479 car repayments and not the fact they went over $150000 into debt to fund an illegal unending war

because that would involve admitting a mistake, which requires some self awareness


You have no idea what you're talking about and this topic is quickly becoming a repeat of the last time you embarrassed yourself. Maybe don't say anything if you have nothing of value to say.
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:26:08 AM
#73:


averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Millennials posted...
Capitalism will be the downfall of us all.


2017 was the best year in human history.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76274426

you're cartoonishly out of touch


It literally was the best year in human history on all kinds of objective measurements. All the data is sourced in the article linked there. What is out of touch there?

you are. as i said in the post you quoted


How so?
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averagejoel
02/04/18 2:26:50 AM
#74:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
flussence posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
And the point I made earlier is that your narrative is incomplete

why are you obsessing over the Perfectly Spherical And Frictionless Mathematical Abstract Model Of An Average American's $479 car repayments and not the fact they went over $150000 into debt to fund an illegal unending war

because that would involve admitting a mistake, which requires some self awareness


You have no idea what you're talking about and this topic is quickly becoming a repeat of the last time you embarrassed yourself. Maybe don't say anything if you have nothing of value to say.

*Jim Halpert stares at the camera*
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flussence
02/04/18 2:27:03 AM
#75:


I love it when they go out of their way to sandbag respond every other post in the topic but the one destroying their arguments across multiple topics
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:27:27 AM
#76:


Questionmarktarius posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Let's take this back to Dave Ramsey:
https://www.daveramsey.com/baby-steps

Hell, I'm still at #1, give or take skipping to 3.


Nice :) I've got the first three down. Saving up for my first property which I wanna buy real soon.

I have a house. It's not a very good one, but I got it for $50K

The only debts I have are 39K on the house and 29K on student loans, over four colleges (most of which were just fucking off).


Not bad! Could've done a lot worse on the house, I'm sure.
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Questionmarktarius
02/04/18 2:27:37 AM
#77:


flussence posted...
I love it when they go out of their way to sandbag respond every other post in the topic but the one destroying their arguments across multiple topics

shit, did i do that?
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:28:40 AM
#78:


flussence posted...
I love it when they go out of their way to sandbag respond every other post in the topic but the one destroying their arguments across multiple topics


You are barely even coherent or literate, my dude. I thought it was obvious you're just a troll.
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averagejoel
02/04/18 2:28:51 AM
#79:


flussence posted...
I love it when they go out of their way to sandbag respond every other post in the topic but the one destroying their arguments across multiple topics

Poe's Law is broken
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flussence
02/04/18 2:29:52 AM
#80:


averagejoel posted...
flussence posted...
I love it when they go out of their way to sandbag respond every other post in the topic but the one destroying their arguments across multiple topics

Poe's Law is broken

the only thing broken is that stuck pro-fascist record that keeps showing up in any topic to do with money
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:30:29 AM
#81:


flussence posted...
averagejoel posted...
flussence posted...
I love it when they go out of their way to sandbag respond every other post in the topic but the one destroying their arguments across multiple topics

Poe's Law is broken

the only thing broken is that stuck pro-communist record that keeps showing up in any topic to do with money


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flussence
02/04/18 2:31:44 AM
#82:


god forbid you show a sliver of human empathy.
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 2:33:22 AM
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Being pro communism is not showing any empathy at all.
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Questionmarktarius
02/04/18 2:38:59 AM
#84:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Being pro communism is not showing any empathy at all.

Marx was a very angry man.
Lenin was good man, but badly misguided.
Trotsky almost got it right.
Stalin just fucked it all up.
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darkjedilink
02/04/18 2:56:29 AM
#85:


Esrac posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
darkjedilink posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
you're spectacularly missing the point here.


Sorry dude, but nope - Financing a car isn't having fun or enjoying life - it's making a stupid decision.

Most working Americans are making these bad decisions all the time. It's why they feel stuck.

"millennials: stop buying avocado toast if you want to afford a home"

So you think teaching someone to have basic financial wisdom is somehow being overly restrictive or telling them not to enjoy life? What exactly is the point you are making?

You don't need to finance a brand new car for $479 a month. It's a depreciating asset. Buy a used car that'll last you a long time and save the rest. Buy a new car when it will be something to enjoy rather than something to keep you in wage slavery.

His point is that, if you have actually worked your ass off and earned nice things, you don't have a right to them. Those things belong to those who made stupid decisions in life and/or didn't work for them.


I'm not sure if he'd actually make a point that unbelievably stupid.


Seems closer to suggesting everyone should have equal access to these luxuries without having to consider the financial sense of purchasing these luxuries. And employers who don't pay even their lowest employees enough to afford them should be maimed or killed.

You know what "luxury" means, right?

A minimum-wage employee should have no expectation of "access" to a Ferarri at all, much less "equal" access as that given to someone who's worked his way to own a company.
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darkjedilink
02/04/18 2:59:14 AM
#86:


flussence posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
And the point I made earlier is that your narrative is incomplete

why are you obsessing over the Perfectly Spherical And Frictionless Mathematical Abstract Model Of An Average American's $479 car repayments and not the fact they went over $150000 into debt to fund an illegal unending war

wut
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Esrac
02/04/18 3:01:38 AM
#87:


@darkjedilink

No shit.

I'm not supporting that suggestion. Why are you responding to me like I am?
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darkjedilink
02/04/18 9:19:31 AM
#88:


Esrac posted...
@darkjedilink

No shit.

I'm not supporting that suggestion. Why are you responding to me like I am?

I was late. I was tired. I re-read it, and I'm sorry I was stupid, lol.
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MangaFan462
02/04/18 9:39:23 AM
#89:


Kolibri X posted...
Because it's a winning survival strategy. Indicative of hard work and productivity. It's a virtue. You're confusing it with greed.

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Joelypoely
02/04/18 9:43:17 AM
#90:


"For those that are equal to have an unequal share and those that are alike to have an unlike share is contrary to nature, and nothing contrary to nature is noble." - Aristotle
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averagejoel
02/04/18 9:48:56 AM
#91:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Being pro communism is not showing any empathy at all.

if that were true, you would be so far gone into the negatives that you wouldn't even be visible from zero. you're acting like sitcom characters that are supposed to be caricatures of insensitive, unempathetic people
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josifrees
02/04/18 9:50:45 AM
#92:


To topic title, no shit.

No point in even arguing with some of these people theyve been brainwashed
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darkjedilink
02/04/18 9:58:12 AM
#93:


Joelypoely posted...
"For those that are equal to have an unequal share and those that are alike to have an unlike share is contrary to nature, and nothing contrary to nature is noble." - Aristotle

Which proves that Aristotle was a capitalist.
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 4:20:31 PM
#94:


averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Being pro communism is not showing any empathy at all.

if that were true, you would be so far gone into the negatives that you wouldn't even be visible from zero. you're acting like sitcom characters that are supposed to be caricatures of insensitive, unempathetic people


What?
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averagejoel
02/04/18 4:30:35 PM
#95:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Being pro communism is not showing any empathy at all.

if that were true, you would be so far gone into the negatives that you wouldn't even be visible from zero. you're acting like sitcom characters that are supposed to be caricatures of insensitive, unempathetic people


What?

why do you think I've been quoting you with that gif of Lucille Bluth showing how out of touch she is?
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 4:43:31 PM
#97:


averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Being pro communism is not showing any empathy at all.

if that were true, you would be so far gone into the negatives that you wouldn't even be visible from zero. you're acting like sitcom characters that are supposed to be caricatures of insensitive, unempathetic people


What?

why do you think I've been quoting you with that gif of Lucille Bluth showing how out of touch she is?


You haven't made a single coherent rebuttal in response to the numbers and arguments I've presented. You've just assumed yourself to be right.
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Antifar
02/04/18 4:46:50 PM
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averagejoel
02/04/18 4:48:15 PM
#99:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Being pro communism is not showing any empathy at all.

if that were true, you would be so far gone into the negatives that you wouldn't even be visible from zero. you're acting like sitcom characters that are supposed to be caricatures of insensitive, unempathetic people


What?

why do you think I've been quoting you with that gif of Lucille Bluth showing how out of touch she is?


You haven't made a single coherent rebuttal in response to the numbers and arguments I've presented. You've just assumed yourself to be right.

my only real point in this topic so far has been that you're out of touch, which is self-evident to anyone who can read your posts
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FLUFFYGERM
02/04/18 5:09:29 PM
#100:


averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Being pro communism is not showing any empathy at all.

if that were true, you would be so far gone into the negatives that you wouldn't even be visible from zero. you're acting like sitcom characters that are supposed to be caricatures of insensitive, unempathetic people


What?

why do you think I've been quoting you with that gif of Lucille Bluth showing how out of touch she is?


You haven't made a single coherent rebuttal in response to the numbers and arguments I've presented. You've just assumed yourself to be right.

my only real point in this topic so far has been that you're out of touch, which is self-evident to anyone who can read your posts


Dude, no one besides the people who already agree with your dog-whistling is going to say something so vacuous and unsubstantiated.

I could just as easily assert that you're out of touch judging by your inability to defend your worldview in this topic: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76239702
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averagejoel
02/04/18 5:19:35 PM
#101:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
averagejoel posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Being pro communism is not showing any empathy at all.

if that were true, you would be so far gone into the negatives that you wouldn't even be visible from zero. you're acting like sitcom characters that are supposed to be caricatures of insensitive, unempathetic people


What?

why do you think I've been quoting you with that gif of Lucille Bluth showing how out of touch she is?


You haven't made a single coherent rebuttal in response to the numbers and arguments I've presented. You've just assumed yourself to be right.

my only real point in this topic so far has been that you're out of touch, which is self-evident to anyone who can read your posts


Dude, no one besides the people who already agree with your dog-whistling is going to say something so vacuous and unsubstantiated.

I could just as easily assert that you're out of touch judging by your inability to defend your worldview in this topic: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76239702

an inability to defend one's worldview is independent of being out of touch
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