Current Events > Tobey Maguire was the worst Spider Man in the best Spider Man movies.

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True.
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you're so fu**ed
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Homecoming was the best Spiderman movie, tbh
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boxington posted...

Homecoming was the best Spiderman movie, tbh

It was terrible.
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

boxington posted...

Homecoming was the best Spiderman movie, tbh

It was terrible.

Better than any of the other Spider Man movies
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He was alright. Not his fault whoever wrote the movies wasn't in tune with the character.
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wow, marked
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spiderman 2 was decent. spiderman 1 was shit because Green Goblin looked like a power ranger character. the director claims he is in love with 60's spiderman but at the same time, he makes green goblin like that..... I will never understand

spiderman 3 was horrible but this time it wasn't the director's fault. sony ruined it by poking their fingers into the pot

man whatever happened to Topher Grace
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

man whatever happened to Topher Grace

He was in Interstellar or some shit for a bit.
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MedeaLysistrata posted...

man whatever happened to Topher Grace

He's been obliterated by Tom Hardy
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IMO:

Tobey Macguire was a bad spiderman, but a pretty good Peter Parker
Andrew Garfield was a good spiderman, but a bad Peter Parker
Tom Holland is the best mix of both so far
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Andrew Garfield entertained the fuck out of me as Peter Parker.
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CableZL posted...

IMO:

Tobey Macguire was a bad spiderman, but a pretty good Peter Parker
Andrew Garfield was a good spiderman, but a bad Peter Parker
Tom Holland is the best mix of both so far

Yea, to me he was by far the best representation of Parker. Reminded me so much of the 90's cartoon Parker.
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boxington posted...

Homecoming was the best Spiderman movie, tbh

Truth
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@Zikten posted...

spiderman 3 was horrible but this time it wasn't the director's fault. sony ruined it by poking their fingers into the pot

No, it was the director's fault. Raimi was the one who fucked up Venom and made the narrative a mess with so many unnecessary subplots. All Sony asked for was Venom, which made sense as Venom was the most requested villain. Raimi dropped the ball.
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I really liked andrew garfield as peter and spider-man, his movies were shit but it wasn't even remotely his fault.
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If Tobey got some one liners to work with I think he would have continued to be great.

I think he's the only one that really feels like an absolute underdog.

Scotty_Rogers posted...

No, it was the director's fault. Raimi was the one who f***ed up Venom and made the narrative a mess with so many unnecessary subplots. All Sony asked for was Venom, which made sense as Venom was the most requested villain. Raimi dropped the ball.

Raimi already set up Harry as a villain for SM3. Forcing Venom into that plot was always a dumb decision. Spider-man movies had no issues getting an audience.
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

It was terrible.

Marked for slander, Homecoming was fantastic. Whatshisface is a really good Parker & Spidey.
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Holland has been the only decent one so far

Tobey got worse and worse with each entry. Garfield was fucking awful as Peter. He was okay as Spidey but he didn't really have the voice/attitude for it.
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Spider-man Homecoming? More like Iron Man Beyond where Tony Stark is old Bruce Wayne, and Peter Parker is the new Iron Man.
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I like Spider-man Homecoming.

But Peter Parker starting out with personal connections to Tony Stark, getting an 'internship' at his company (that covers his secret life) and being handed a bunch of gadgets just doesn't really feel as relatable as Spider-man usually is. I guess it's unavoidable with how they introduced him into the MCU.
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I really wasn't a fan of Homecoming.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

@Zikten posted...

spiderman 3 was horrible but this time it wasn't the director's fault. sony ruined it by poking their fingers into the pot

No, it was the director's fault. Raimi was the one who fucked up Venom and made the narrative a mess with so many unnecessary subplots. All Sony asked for was Venom, which made sense as Venom was the most requested villain. Raimi dropped the ball.

I see it as Sony's fault because they force Venom in. I don't care if people requested Venom. Venom was not good for the movie. they should have waited.

Zikten posted...

Scotty_Rogers posted...

@Zikten posted...

spiderman 3 was horrible but this time it wasn't the director's fault. sony ruined it by poking their fingers into the pot

No, it was the director's fault. Raimi was the one who fucked up Venom and made the narrative a mess with so many unnecessary subplots. All Sony asked for was Venom, which made sense as Venom was the most requested villain. Raimi dropped the ball.

I see it as Sony's fault because they force Venom in. I don't care if people requested Venom. Venom was not good for the movie. they should have waited.

"Should have waited" lol the movie industry is all about making money; venom was important for the film's commercial success so there was no reason for sony to wait. given that spiderman 2 was less successful than spiderman 1 it was only natural sony would want to maximize on spiderman 3's chances of commercial success

raimi could have done venom right in spiderman 3, but he dropped the ball by miscasting topher grace, amongst other things. sandman shouldn't have been in the movie; should have just been venom and new goblin
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

sandman shouldn't have been in the movie; should have just been venom and new goblin

that's a very rude way to look at it considering the original idea was to just have Sandman. Venom and New Goblin were the intruders, not Sandman. sometimes I dream about what that movie would have been like with just Sandman, I have a feeling it would been pretty damn good. and they would have made Spiderman 4. supposedly with Vulture. I think putting Vulture in Homecoming was probably Sony's idea that they talked Marvel into doing, just to piss off Raimi.

btw the series up to that point was supposed to celebrate classic Spidy. As in the 60's. Raimi hates the newer villains like Venom. he only wanted to do a series of movies about each of the early classic villains. it's no surprise that the moment thye fucked up that plan, the series died

Zikten posted...

that's a very rude way to look at it considering the original idea was to just have Sandman.

lmao no one gave a fuck about sandman. the movie needed a well known villain to be successful; venom was the best pick. new goblin also made sense, since it was built up since the first movie.

but sandman was just unnecessary
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Zikten posted...

btw the series up to that point was supposed to celebrate classic Spidy. As in the 60's. Raimi hates the newer villains like Venom. he only wanted to do a series of movies about each of the early classic villains. it's no surprise that the moment thye fucked up that plan, the series died

what the audience wanted was more important than what one entitled director wanted.

if raimi wasn't full of himself, he would have been able to do venom properly.
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Harry and Eddie Brock are both personal villains for Peter. They don't compliment each other well.
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Darmik posted...

Harry and Eddie Brock are both personal villains for Peter. They don't compliment each other well.

Just because they're both personal villains for Peter doesn't mean they don't compliment each other.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Darmik posted...

Harry and Eddie Brock are both personal villains for Peter. They don't compliment each other well.

Just because they're both personal villains for Peter doesn't mean they don't compliment each other.

Well yes they are. Because you're then plotting out two separate antagonist plots for Peter Parker.
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Darmik posted...

Well yes they are. Because you're then plotting out two separate antagonist plots for Peter Parker.

Nothing wrong with that.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Darmik posted...

Well yes they are. Because you're then plotting out two separate antagonist plots for Peter Parker.

Nothing wrong with that.

kinda is. the very reason the movie sucked was there were too many things going on. they should have waited til a Sinister Six movie before they got that complicated

Multiple villains and plots in a movie can work if done right. For an example, The Dark Knight.

Not hard to come up with a plot where Venom and New Goblin are seamlessly connected.
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Yup ta Maguire bein' the worst, but no ta the movies. The first Amazing'n Homecomin're better'n the Raimi movies

Garfield's the best
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Multiple villains in a movie can work if done right. For an example, The Dark Knight.

Not hard to come up with a plot where Venom and New Goblin are seamlessly connected.

Harvey Dent was Bruce Wayne's personal villain. Joker was Batman. On top of this they tied both of those plots together.

Those are villains that complimented each other well.

Having a plot where Harry creates a symbiote and manipulates Eddie Brock or something sounds lame.
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Spider-Man works best when there's an awareness of the greater Marvel Universe. It's why the TAS was the best when motherfuckers from outside Spidy's "sphere of influence" started popping up.

Homecoming, while probably one of the weakest MCU movies, was way better than the previous 5 movies by a long shot.
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Toby is an okay spiderman, but looked wayyyyy too old. His first two spiderman movies are great, but that's because of the directing and writing, not because of him.
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Christian RULES posted...

Spider-man Homecoming? More like Iron Man Beyond where Tony Stark is old Bruce Wayne, and Peter Parker is the new Iron Man.

Tony is bearly even in the movie at all.
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@Darmik posted...

Harvey Dent was Bruce Wayne's personal villain. Joker was Batman. On top of this they tied both of those plots together.

So just make Harry a personal villain for Peter. Venom can be Spider-Man's. Tie both of these plots together.

Having a plot where Harry creates a symbiote and manipulates Eddie Brock or something sounds lame.

That could have worked.
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The whole point of Venom is that's he's a consequence of Peter Parker being a ruthless jerk though.
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That's kind of the way it goes. Christian Bale wasn't the worst Batman, but he's definitely a bland one. His films got by on the production values and the villains.

@Darmik posted...

The whole point of Venom is that's he's a consequence of Peter Parker being a ruthless jerk though.

Not in the original comics. Peter ruined Brock's life as Spider-Man.
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Scotty_Rogers posted...

Not in the original comics. Peter ruined Brock's life as Spider-Man.

Didn't he also get him fired as Peter?

That was why Eddie hated him so much. He hates both Peter and Spider-man. Then he gets the symbiote and finds out that it's the same person. Which makes him hate Peter even more.
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Darmik posted...

Didn't he also get him fired as Peter?

Not in the original comics.
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yall are haters. og spiderman is best spiderman
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I like Tobey Maguire, but I never saw him as Peter Parker. Anyone can be Spider-Man once the mask was on, but he just didn't quite fit the part.

Skye Reynolds posted...

I like Tobey Maguire, but I never saw him as Peter Parker. Anyone can be Spider-Man once the mask was on, but he just didn't quite fit the part.

Tobey Maguire is a shitty person IRL
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Darmik posted...

I like Spider-man Homecoming.

But Peter Parker starting out with personal connections to Tony Stark, getting an 'internship' at his company (that covers his secret life) and being handed a bunch of gadgets just doesn't really feel as relatable as Spider-man usually is. I guess it's unavoidable with how they introduced him into the MCU.

Same here, I enjoyed it but it felt "off" for those reasons.
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